Losing Beasley

[big dog cowboy]

Not only that, we took Bradlee Anae with the compensation pick we got for Beasley - and we get another compensatory 5th for Cobb next year.

Bingo!!!! Not only did the Cowboys upgrade during the progression from The Bease to Cobb to Lamb....the comp picks are a big added bonus. No rueage for loosing Beasley one bit.

 

[JoeKing]

And what will be your posts when the $7 million QB goes 7-9.....oh, he is only 1 loss worse, but look at the money we saved....?
You are too caught up in the $$$ that is not yours.

I think we can go 9-7 easily with Dalton if not better. But he doesn't have that much left in the tank to dump Dak, long term. But if we go into the season with Dalton, if Dak doesn't sign his tag, I am ok with that. However don't expect a rookie QB if drafted to come in and be great. Most aren't.

But Dak wins, and with a better coaching staff and scheme. I still give Dak a win or 2 more than Dalton. And that is important for HFA. The hell with the cost. It is not my money, and it will not cripple the cap. They always work that out.

I completely agree with all that plus I'd add Dalton is not going to take you deep into the playoffs. He has a well-established record of just going one and done if he gets there at all. Dak has at least shown he can win in the playoffs and looks to be able to lead a team deep into the championship rounds.

 

[jazzcat22]

My posts will be go draft a guy..

You “but Dak wins” guys are delusional.

Dallas has provided an optimal environment for a QB and you guys say it isn’t optimal enough.

I agree that it could always be better but for a guy that “wins” we sure don’t have a lot to show for it and I think a lot of QBs could’ve won here over this time period with the offensive talent we have had.

Dak is a product of the guys around him.. You’d have to be completely delusional to ignore that fact. He doesn’t do anything that isn’t replaceable because nothing about his play is special.

He’s a high end bus driver wanting elite QB money.. I’ll pass and go get another and keep the team strong.

I stopped reading as soon as you said "delusional".
When it is clearly you just hate the guy, so I am not wasting my time on you.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I didn't say he wasn't important to the offense when we had him. I just said losing him did not matter. He was suitably replaced by Cobb.

Long story short, the difference between Cobb and Beasley didn’t cost us a game

 

[Typhus]

Cobb and Beasley are a different style of player.

Cobb is built for bigger plays and has more run after catch abilities so his numbers should look better than Beasleys.

Beasley is much better at working small spaces and getting open quickly compared to Cobb but as a down the field threat Beasley can't touch Cobb.

Cobb can play all 3 WR positions. Beasley is limited to a slot guy that won't do much down field.

I think Beasley is better at what he does then Cobb but after you factor in the money that we paid then Cobb was obviously a better choice.


It's similar to Dak and Andy Dalton... Is Dak better? Sure.. But when you compare contracts vs what both provide there isn't a big enough difference in play to validate one over the other.

Neither were WR1, possibly low end WR2, probably even wr3s for a few teams,, doesn't matter at this point, now we have 3 potential WR1 on this roster.
CD is a rook, and most aren't recognizing his skill set other than the fact that he was our 1st round pick so he is probably pretty good.
He has the upside ceiling to shred this league like Randy Moss when teams passed on him, including the Cowboys, and he has the potential to quickly become the best
WR on this team,, quickly,, and Im usually fairly conservative when evaluating rookies, but not in Lambs case.

 

[CATCH17]

I stopped reading as soon as you said "delusional".
When it is clearly you just hate the guy, so I am not wasting my time on you.

I do not hate the guy.

I’m a Dak fan and give credit where it is due.

The problem is some of you can’t come to terms with the reality of what he is as a player and how that doesn’t match up with the money he is asking for and you’re telling me we have to be stupid because other teams were stupid.

I mean.. You will learn the lesson the hard way.. We will pay him and win nothing while that contract is eating up a large portion of cap space.

 

[cowboygo]

I do not hate the guy.

I’m a Dak fan and give credit where it is due.

The problem is some of you can’t come to terms with the reality of what he is as a player and how that doesn’t match up with the money he is asking for and you’re telling me we have to be stupid because other teams were stupid.

I mean.. You will learn the lesson the hard way.. We will pay him and win nothing while that contract is eating up a large portion of cap space.

sigh. you derailed the thread by including dak in your 1st reply.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I mean.. You will learn the lesson the hard way.. We will pay him and win nothing while that contract is eating up a large portion of cap space.

There’s also not a realistic where we would “win anything” over the next 4-5 years without him. It really takes lightning in a bottle for most teams who aren’t New England to win a Super Bowl, so using a Super Bowl win as the standard of “if resigning Dak is the right decision” or not, is intellectually dishonest.

 

[CATCH17]

There’s also not a realistic where we would “win anything” over the next 4-5 years without him. It really takes lightning in a bottle for most teams who aren’t New England to win a Super Bowl, so using a Super Bowl win as the standard of “if resigning Dak is the right decision” or not, is intellectually dishonest.

I’ll be intellectually dishonest then because all the numbers show that paying a QB that much of the cap % waves Superbowls bye bye.

Ive notice a lot on this board did not learn their lesson with Romo.. Maybe they will this time with Dak and slowly start to figure out what I’ve been saying all along.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I’ll be intellectually dishonest then because all the numbers show that paying a QB that much of the cap % waves Superbowls bye bye.

Ive notice a lot on this board did not learn their lesson with Romo.. Maybe they will this time with Dak and slowly start to figure out what I’ve been saying all along.

Today is a good day to remind everyone that correlation does not imply causation.

 

[NotForLong]

I stopped reading as soon as you said "delusional".
When it is clearly you just hate the guy, so I am not wasting my time on you.

Yet you took the time to respond

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

When Beas left you would have thought we lost Jerry Rice on these boards. Now if Bease could have played the boys all 16 games then it would be a different story.

 

[G2]

Yeah but there is a draft where you replace players for cheap.

Guys like Cobb, Beasley, Dak, Dalton, and all the other slightly above average players can be replaced for cheap.

No need to spend big money on guys like that. Let someone else like Buffalo do it.

Top 10 isn't "slightly above average.

 

[CATCH17]

Today is a good day to remind everyone that correlation does not imply causation.

Yeah but my gosh can we go back pretty far with this and see a correlation.

Rookies and cheap vets playing for a discount really are dominating aren’t they?

I guess we just ignore it and hope Dak is the outlier since he is not even elite as a player.

 

[CATCH17]

Top 10 isn't "slightly above average.

I think there is a big fringe group of players that if they were in Dak’s situation and he in theirs then those guys would jump him.

Dak’s career was born into NFL wealth and not NFL poverty.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Cobb and Beasley are a different style of player.

Cobb is built for bigger plays and has more run after catch abilities so his numbers should look better than Beasleys.

Beasley is much better at working small spaces and getting open quickly compared to Cobb but as a down the field threat Beasley can't touch Cobb.

Cobb can play all 3 WR positions. Beasley is limited to a slot guy that won't do much down field.

I think Beasley is better at what he does then Cobb but after you factor in the money that we paid then Cobb was obviously a better choice.


It's similar to Dak and Andy Dalton... Is Dak better? Sure.. But when you compare contracts vs what both provide there isn't a big enough difference in play to validate one over the other.

There are a few plays that showed Bease CAN play downfield. I think he was just sticking to the slot/dump role that he was certainly adept at.

And your last comment is spot on. It's not Dak hate just reality of the situation.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yeah but my gosh can we go back pretty far with this and see a correlation.

Rookies and cheap vets playing for a discount really are dominating aren’t they?

I guess we just ignore it and hope Dak is the outlier since he is not even elite as a player.

I'm not arguing against the correlation, I'm arguing against the causation

For example, yes, if every player for Dallas signed a minimum contract deal, we would of course be able to add more talent and be in a better position to win, but that obviously isn't realistic (I know this isn't what you are suggesting).

But if you aren't willing to pay a player more than "X" percentage of the cap because no team has ever blah blah when someone makes that much, then you are taking the correlation and treating it as immutable. In this scenario, it would make sense for KC to never sign Mahomes long term. He will certainly break through that number and it would mean that KC would have an equal or better chance at starting over with a new cheaper QB and winning another Super Bowl and that isn't accurate. Even if you want to say Mahomes is the exception, what should Houston do with Watson? Keep in mind the number of draft picks he cost Houston (and several posters here want to trade up for a QB as well). Is it worth it to resign him long term and go into that "never" category or just start over?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think there is a big fringe group of players that if they were in Dak’s situation and he in theirs then those guys would jump him.

Dak’s career was born into NFL wealth and not NFL poverty.

Carson Wentz team won 2 playoff games and a Super Bowl without him, you ever use that to describe Wentz's situation?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I appreciate what Cole Beasley did here. But most Cowboys fans way overrated him. For example, in his 7 yr career in Dallas, Beas averaged 3 catches for 29 yards a game. In his best season here (in 2016 with Dak btw) he caught 75 passes for 833 yards; that’s about 4.5 catches for about 52 yds per game. That’s not that difficult to replace.

Cole Beasley certainly made some big plays for us and was a great story. But the Bills overpaid for him. I wish him well in Buffalo but I’m glad he’s not on the payroll here anymore.

Would you do the same in this case?

 

[CATCH17]

Carson Wentz team won 2 playoff games and a Super Bowl without him, you ever use that to describe Wentz's situation?

He’s team won a what?

They can do whatever they want with him after reaching the ultimate goal.

Doesn’t mean it’s a good or bad decision. It’s house money.

We’re struggling to win playoff games. Maybe we should trade for Nick Foles?