Losing Beasley

[DuncanIso]

Cole is an excellent WR.

he’s near the end of his career now.

Hope things work out for him. He probably need another year or two on his contract to secure his finances.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm not arguing against the correlation, I'm arguing against the causation

For example, yes, if every player for Dallas signed a minimum contract deal, we would of course be able to add more talent and be in a better position to win, but that obviously isn't realistic (I know this isn't what you are suggesting).

But if you aren't willing to pay a player more than "X" percentage of the cap because no team has ever blah blah when someone makes that much, then you are taking the correlation and treating it as immutable. In this scenario, it would make sense for KC to never sign Mahomes long term. He will certainly break through that number and it would mean that KC would have an equal or better chance at starting over with a new cheaper QB and winning another Super Bowl and that isn't accurate. Even if you want to say Mahomes is the exception, what should Houston do with Watson? Keep in mind the number of draft picks he cost Houston (and several posters here want to trade up for a QB as well). Is it worth it to resign him long term and go into that "never" category or just start over?

The 49ers are the example you’re looking for.

Young roster with an overpaid QB.

In the end though they lost to the QB on a rookie deal.

We need to be the Chiefs in this situation.. Not the 49ers.


Unfortunately we don’t have a young roster and we are paying positions like RB and WR a lot of money while the defense is hurting for playmakers.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm looking around the league and I don't see a lot of teams desperate for a QB right now.

NFL offenses have become more simplistic. The spread offense has found it's way into the NFL and these guys have been running these offenses since highschool.

QB's are not this impossible thing to find anymore.

When you have a chance to upgrade you should take it..

Paying average is just silly. Go find the next Ryan Tannehill.. We probably did that with Dalton.


Situations are making QB's right now. Very few real difference makers at the position. Pay the difference makers and move on from the jags. That goes for every position.

You don't see teams desperate for quarterback? Teams that have Baker Mayfield and Phillip Rivers and Mitch Tribuisky starting for them and you don't see anyone desperate?

Mind you Ryan Tannenhill and Andy Dalton both signed 100 million dollar contracts but because they couldn't live up to it they got cut.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He’s team won a what?

They can do whatever they want with him after reaching the ultimate goal.

Doesn’t mean it’s a good or bad decision. It’s house money.

We’re struggling to win playoff games. Maybe we should trade for Nick Foles?

My post had nothing to do with Wentz's contract, which for the record, I would have done as well. But you consistently place Dak above Wentz, but have never seemed to apply that logic to Wentz's success. The 2017 Eagles minus Wentz were far better than any Cowboys roster minus Dak, and I'm curious if you apply that same knock to Wentz.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The 49ers are the example you’re looking for.

Young roster with an overpaid QB.

In the end though they lost to the QB on a rookie deal.

We need to be the Chiefs in this situation.. Not the 49ers.


Unfortunately we don’t have a young roster and we are paying positions like RB and WR a lot of money while the defense is hurting for playmakers.

Again, you're missing too many factors to jump to that conclusion. Yes, the 49ers would have been far better off had they draft Mahomes over Soloman Thomas. But, in 2018 when they resigned Garoppolo to a deal that exceeded the 14% threshold, would they have been better off letting him go and starting over? We can say they should have drafted Lamar Jackson, but realistically, scouts didn't think he was good enough to go top 10, so them reaching for him would have obvioulsy worked out, but this would also be a clear example of catching lightning in a bottle.

And Houston is a good example, in that since they haven't won a SB, they don't fall into a category where...

They can do whatever they want with him after reaching the ultimate goal.

Doesn’t mean it’s a good or bad decision. It’s house money.

They're gonna have to make a decision, and to me, it's obvious.

 

[G2]

I think there is a big fringe group of players that if they were in Dak’s situation and he in theirs then those guys would jump him.

Dak’s career was born into NFL wealth and not NFL poverty.

More if's and but's. Not reality and what actually happened. Prescott is part of the wealth.

 

[Bobhaze]

Would you do the same in this case?

The same as....? Not sure I understand what you mean. My point was Beasley was overrated here. His 7 year per game avg while in Dallas was 3 receptions for 29 yards.

No disrespect- I liked Cole Beasley. But not at the price he got in Buffalo. He did have a better year there last year. He avg about 4 receptions for 47 yards a game. That’s pretty good. But again, not at his price tag.

 

[charron]

I don't expect CD to do much more than 500-600 yards. That would still be a good year for a rookie #3 guy.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yet you took the time to respond

Just as bad as the other dude.

So what!.
I responded in the appropriate way, to inform him I ready no further. Nor did I look at his quote from that.

Who are you, the "respond" police. Your post is just as lame as his. Don't bother answering back.

 

[Fletch]

Many here rued the day we lost Beasles.

He was a fan favorite and I personally enjoyed rooting for him. That said, we weren't going to pay him.

Here's a look at his season, along with his replacements season. I think we made a smart move.

BEASE: 4 years 29 million
REC 67
YDS 778
AVG 11.6
TDS 6

COBB: 1 year 5 million
REC 55
YDS 828
AVG 15.1
TDS 3

My apologies if this has already been posted. Beasley was a different type of player for us and you could still argue we missed him at points last season. I predicted Cobb would top Beasleys best season in Dallas and he certainly came close. In the same tone of optimism I think CD tops both of them this year. It should be fun to watch. Dak has no choice but to blow up with the weapons he has been provided.

We probably wouldn’t have drafted the best WR in 2020 had we massaged Beasley’s contract demands, and kept him.
I’m good!
Well said though.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Many here rued the day we lost Beasles.

He was a fan favorite and I personally enjoyed rooting for him. That said, we weren't going to pay him.

Here's a look at his season, along with his replacements season. I think we made a smart move.

BEASE: 4 years 29 million
REC 67
YDS 778
AVG 11.6
TDS 6

COBB: 1 year 5 million
REC 55
YDS 828
AVG 15.1
TDS 3

My apologies if this has already been posted. Beasley was a different type of player for us and you could still argue we missed him at points last season. I predicted Cobb would top Beasleys best season in Dallas and he certainly came close. In the same tone of optimism I think CD tops both of them this year. It should be fun to watch. Dak has no choice but to blow up with the weapons he has been provided.

I watched most of the Bills games last year because they are the local team. Beasley did alot better that I predicted given the circumstances. Beasley would struggle here when he became more of the focus of the offense.

The Bills were incredibly weak as far as pass catchers. Their passing game really just consisted of him and John Brown, and Brown isn't much bigger than Beasley. Thats one of the reasons why I think Allen is better than his stats suggest.

I dont think Diggs is unquestioned #1 WR type. However, I think a WR corps of Diggs, Brown and Beasley is pretty damn good. I can actually see Buffalo winning 12 games this year

 

[MarcusRock]

I'll miss the Beeez. Was my pet cat that year over the drafted Danny Coale. Tiny technician and tough as nails.

Beat the Giants twice with catches at the Meadowlands. Have a seat young man.

 

[cowboygo]

The 49ers are the example you’re looking for.

Young roster with an overpaid QB.

In the end though they lost to the QB on a rookie deal.

We need to be the Chiefs in this situation.. Not the 49ers.


Unfortunately we don’t have a young roster and we are paying positions like RB and WR a lot of money while the defense is hurting for playmakers.

I'll join this non-Beasley talk. We also haven't stunk it up enough to get a great young roster flooded with early 1st round draft picks. I don't think there is a correct model to reach the Superbowl. The playoffs are so random, every year there seems to be 4 teams that deserve the championship, and they are all operating on different roster structures. Only 1 team gets to trophy. Right now, we have to maximize the lifespan of our O-Line. I'm ready to blow it up in 4 years if we don't have consistent playoff success.

Just fyi, being the Chiefs in this situation.. it took Andy Reid 7 years in KC to get the Lombardi.

 

[CATCH17]

I'll miss the Beeez. Was my pet cat that year over the drafted Danny Coale. Tiny technician and tough as nails.

Beat the Giants twice with catches at the Meadowlands. Have a seat young man.

I liked Beasley too and it didn’t take me long to figure out that he was going to be a good player.


I remember we had a preseason game against the Raiders and everyone on this forum thought Beasley was a scrub after that game and were singing the praises of Andre Holmes.

 

[dmq]

Beasley and Cobb who? All in on the CeeDee train!

 

[CATCH17]

Beasley and Cobb who? All in on the CeeDee train!

Lamb will make them both easily forgotten but Beasleys ability to get open in small spaces still isn’t replaced on this roster.. Maybe it doesn’t need to be but he could get open quick.

 

[phildadon86]

Cobb and Beasley are a different style of player.

Cobb is built for bigger plays and has more run after catch abilities so his numbers should look better than Beasleys.

Beasley is much better at working small spaces and getting open quickly compared to Cobb but as a down the field threat Beasley can't touch Cobb.

Cobb can play all 3 WR positions. Beasley is limited to a slot guy that won't do much down field.

I think Beasley is better at what he does then Cobb but after you factor in the money that we paid then Cobb was obviously a better choice.


It's similar to Dak and Andy Dalton... Is Dak better? Sure.. But when you compare contracts vs what both provide there isn't a big enough difference in play to validate one over the other.

Couldn’t help yourself could you? Dalton is not better than Dak I don’t know why you keep blowing on this trumpet. It’s not your money

 

[quickccc]

in terms of pure slot guy, i cannot think of a better one than beasley. his incredible footwork and instant change of direction tied up many of DBs feets into knots.
only Giants Dominque Cromartie was able to handle Beasley one on one, imo.

- But as opposing teams designed bracket coverage around beasley (one man underneath, one man over him) as they became less concerned with Dez TWill, and combined with being handcuffed with the limited Garrett staff particularly Scott Linehan, it became more difficult and frustrating with Cole to get untracked
Beasley was a joy to watch as a route runner he was sure handed very tough to take punishment and very durable for a guy so small in stature.
Ironically he was a 4.49 runner by 40 time, but either we never play him as a vertical guy or he never displayed to that speed to vertical game
Since Beasley was not blazing world class burner fast ala Marquis Goodwin, and hes'was a mighty mouse size 5'8 he was short on both separation
vertical speed and didn't have the length idea for occasionally placing outside. -as Linehan was implying to impose.

- As many have said the difference with Cobb was big enough for occasional outside in some packages, and speed wise he was a better threat vertically,
and he was a better runner after the catch. He was not the equal as Beasley in the underneath slot but he offered more versatility in both slot/outside,
run after catch and being a bigger vertical threat. Though no longer exceptional and a threat as a punt returner, cobb filled the slot/3rd WR role very well.

- With CeeDee Lamb he'll come in as a slot who may catch 40 passes in that role alone but i tend to believe he will be in packages where he will be moved around from slot to outside on occasions, ..and he may eventually be our featured WR ...No. 88 and all. Thats just a deep feeling i got from someone that they
didn't think would be there at 17th overall while being very highly rated at 6th overall on their draft board.- and Cooper issues has already been well documented.
They had to think Lamb is a alpha dog that Cooper isn't.

- My question would be what if Lamb gets dinged and hurt, who would be a suitable 4th WR than can fill in as a 3rd WR a cinch ?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

The same as....? Not sure I understand what you mean. My point was Beasley was overrated here. His 7 year per game avg while in Dallas was 3 receptions for 29 yards.

No disrespect- I liked Cole Beasley. But not at the price he got in Buffalo. He did have a better year there last year. He avg about 4 receptions for 47 yards a game. That’s pretty good. But again, not at his price tag.

Yep...I could have done a better job with my question. Sorry.

I just wanted to make sure I am clear on your stance with Dak. Do you hold firm with a fair contract? And let him sit or trade? Or pay/contract him whatever he wants?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Couldn’t help yourself could you? Dalton is not better than Dak I don’t know why you keep blowing on this trumpet. It’s not your money

We really don't know that...YET. Dalton will get the keys to this juggernaut, even if just as a test drive. We'll see then.


Now...before you label a deranged Dak hater.....I believe they are two different QB's with different skills but the same results *if* we say all things being equal (they aren't). I like Daltons release and placement. I like Dak's management of the ball and run skills...when it occurs to him to go.

Man if we could only combine them!