Losing L. Allen, gaining K. Kosier - pros and cons

[The30YardSlant]

No, those teams utilize zone blocking in its entirity. And I can tell you that Syracuse uses it because:

1) The offensive blocking scheme was brought in by Brian Pariani, a long time Denver assistant and now Houston assistant with Kubiak.

2) A family friend of mine is on the coaching staff.


Rich........

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...gs/syr_orangefootball/recruiting/2005_10.html

The Syracuse Orange, a team who's blocking scheme revolves primarily around focusing on man to man matchups, have failed to garner quality recruits to fit this scheme in recent years.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Better send your "words of wisdom" to Mike Shanahan and all the talentless "wimps" he's been employing for the past 10 years.

You know, those 285 lb "weaklings" who probably can't even bench 600 lbs much less 700!

Those same guys who continue to pave the way for 1000 yard rushers no matter what their name is.

game. set. match

HH gets owned...AGIN!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Last time I checked, strength was a much bigger factor for offensive lineman than speed

and Kosier is strong AND can move around, that's more talented than someone who's just strong

 

[The30YardSlant]

game. set. match

HH gets owned...AGIN!

Too bad you failed to read the rest of the thread in which this asinine arguement was disproven. But hey, continue to drown in yuor own ignorance, doesnt bother me in the least.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I remember Larry Allen get bulldozed by Reggie White once. It happens to every O-Lineman once in awhile.


Rich.........

Warren Sapp ate LA's lunch last year

 

[ZeroClub]

Like many of you, I also thought I saw a significant decline in Allen's play last year.

I hope and expect that Kosier will be a more consistent player than Allen was last year.

Time will tell.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well, not to nitpick, but it depends on your definition of what the Pro Bowl should be.

The game is for the fans and the players for entertainment.

Both the fans and the players thought Vick should be in the Pro Bowl; and he was invited.

And there might not be a player more entertaining to watch than Vick...so yeah, you could say Vick deserved to go....according to his fans and his peers.

so you're saying LA has been deserving of a Pro Bowl nod these last few years?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Too bad you failed to read the rest of the thread in which this asinine arguement was disproven.

um, to be disproven, you would need some sort of facts behind you, and having someone other than yourself agree with you would be nice too, I see neither

 

[Vintage]

so you're saying LA has been deserving of a Pro Bowl nod these last few years?

How you got that out of that comment is amazing. Talk about twisting absolutely nothing about Allen into fitting your own agenda.

I did not even imply Allen at ALL during that post. But I will respond to that. If the fans wanted to see Allen play that badly; then yes. The Pro Bowl is an entertainment game for the fans and the players.

 

[DLCassidy]

I'm not saying we were going to keep him, I'm saying LA was, is, and always will be better than Kyle Kosier. When Larry Allen is 80 years old and sitting in a nursing home, he will still be a better offensive lineman than Kyle Kosier

Some things to consider:

In his worst season in the NFL, Larry Allen still made the Pro-Bowl for the 11th time. In Kyle Kosier's best season, he didnt even start every game

Larry Allen was and still is the strongest player to ever step foot onto a football field. Kyle Kosier's most famous play involves him getting bulldozed by and OLB half his size. Larry Allen couldnt be pushed down by Lavar Arrington if he wanted to be.

Larry is the best guard to ever play the game, maybe the best offensive lineman to ever play the game period. Just like Jerry Rice was better than 75% of NFL WRs at age 40, so to is Larry Allen still better than most guards in this league, certainly better than Kyle Kosier.

I'm not saying they ever considered keeping him, I'm saying they should have. On a team where offensive line is your biggest question mark, you dont just release your best offensive linemen. Kosier being cheaper wont help us win more games.

You make it really hard to take you seriously because you're usually wrong but you speak with an amusing air of authority. I sincerely doubt you've even seen Kyle Kosier play even one time beyond the Lions game last year against us (in which BTW Kosier played pretty well). The fact that you can't or won't see how far LA had slipped is again testimony to how little you watch the games. But our coaches watch a ton of film and they think highly of Kosier. That's worth a lot more to me than your wild spouting.

 

[The30YardSlant]

and Kosier is strong AND can move around, that's more talented than someone who's just strong

Quit possibly the worst, and I do mean WORST, logic to ever grace this or any other board.

Larry Allen can bench press 900 pounds

So, while Kosier's BLAZING 5.6 speed and UNBELIEVABLE 7.4 quickness in the cone drill may be better than LA's times in those categories, Kosier does not come close in strength to LA.

Only if Kosier and LA were equal in strength would this arguement hols any water whatsoever.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Let me get this straight, you're basing your entire opinion of Kosier on one Youtube video?

That tells me all I need to know...........

No, however it is a good illustration of his overall game.

You people act like that was the only time he got bulldozed on a pull.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How you got that out of that comment is amazing.

I didn't get anything out of that comment, just wondering why you were arguing the merits of the Pro Bowl when someone said that not everyone who gets a nod is deserving, so I ask if you think LA was deserving, since using Mike Vick was another example of someone going to the Pro Bowl who shouldn't have

 

[Vintage]

I didn't get anything out of that comment, just wondering why you were arguing the merits of the Pro Bowl when someone said that not everyone who gets a nod is deserving, so I ask if you think LA was deserving, since using Mike Vick was another example of someone going to the Pro Bowl who shouldn't have

I said, depending on your definition of what the Pro Bowl game is, Vick isn't an illogical choice for the Pro Bowl after the OP said Vick was undeserving.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Quit possibly the worst, and I do mean WORST, logic to ever grace this or any other board.

sure HeavyHerpes, of course you'd be well-versed in pathetic logic

Only if Kosier and LA were equal in strength would this arguement hols any water whatsoever.

and if only LA and Kosier were equal in speed would your argument hold any water, but IMO, teams would rather take a guy who's both strong and fast over one who's just strong

 

[Alexander]

How you got that out of that comment is amazing. Talk about twisting absolutely nothing about Allen into fitting your own agenda.

I did not even imply Allen at ALL during that post. But I will respond to that. If the fans wanted to see Allen play that badly; then yes. The Pro Bowl is an entertainment game for the fans and the players.

Fan voting (and even players and coaches) often falls into a popularity contest and reputation does get players nominated year after year.

Allen fell into that category the last several years. Ruben Brown made a career out of it. People are sometimes lazy. And in this type of system, most don't think outside the box. And it does take some players a "breakthrough" before they become automatic nominees. Once they get that first one, then it's easier. Roy Williams' best year was his rookie year. He didn't get the nod. But since, he has had worse seasons, yet got a nomination. Mike Wahle had some very good seasons in Green Bay, but last year was his "break". Cornerbacks who lead the league in interceptions and/or big plays get in (Audrey McMillian in the 1990s; Vasher last year).

It is about entertainment, but you also have to factor in the laziness. Most people simply don't put a great deal of thought or consideration into that sort of thing. All Pro nominations are usually a better gauge of a player's career than the Pro Bowl, where you essentially have to fill out a roster for two conferences.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I said, depending on your definition of what the Pro Bowl game is, Vick isn't an illogical choice for the Pro Bowl after the OP said Vick was undeserving.

ok, guess I got caught up in you getting off-topic then :

 

[The30YardSlant]

You make it really hard to take you seriously because you're usually wrong but you speak with an amusing air of authority. I sincerely doubt you've even seen Kyle Kosier play even one time beyond the Lions game last year against us (in which BTW Kosier played pretty well). The fact that you can't or won't see how far LA had slipped is again testimony to how little you watch the games. But our coaches watch a ton of film and they think highly of Kosier. That's worth a lot more to me than your wild spouting.

Has Larry Allen slipped? Of course. Is he still better than Kosier? No doubt

It's truely sad when fans have so little loyalty towards great players that they turn on them the minute they are no longer dominant and no longer on their team. As soon as we sign Kosier, he is the flavor of the month and LA is a washed up has been who has no right playing on the same field and the almighty Kyle Kosier.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It is about entertainment, but you also have to factor in the laziness.

and esp. when you're talking about a position such as OG and C, the casual fan can't name more than 10 starting OGs and Cs in this league, and yes, I mean combined, so when you hear about Larry Allen 5 years ago, and how great he was, and notice that he's still playing, you'd be inclined to choose him for his rep rather than by actually watching the games

 

[Vintage]

ok, guess I got caught up in you getting off-topic then :

Understandable.