Losing L. Allen, gaining K. Kosier - pros and cons

[Alexander]

define overall please

cuz by my interpretation of the meaning, LA wasn't a better overall OG last year

If we were a man blocking scheme and left him alone to lock onto his man, then Allen is the better player. Overall, scheme aside, it's clear he is still "better". He's more experienced, stronger and brings more to the lockerroom.

 

[The30YardSlant]

not my fault you're still a virgin, so that you don't have to worry about the dangers of STDs, so thus you can't understand my analogy

Way to stray from the topic at hand and attempt to dish out completely useless and needless insults in an attempt to deflect attention from the massive beatdown your receiving.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

the massive beatdown your receiving.

:laugh1:

you are possibly THE worst poster on this board, you're lucky Nors is not here anymore to take that distinction from you

 

[Alexander]

Are you talking about the sack that Warren Sapp got by blowing by Al Johnson?

And would this be the same Gamebreaker whom I tore apart when he claimed that Brunell could sling the pigskin better than Drew Bledsoe? Again

Good call bucketboy, well done

Allen struggled mightily against Sapp. And has the last two times he played him (Tampa 2003). Some players just have others' numbers. It happens all the time.

But if it is more comforting to blame the center/whipping boy, indulge yourself.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

hey HH

tell me about 30 yard slants



you're a joke

 

[The30YardSlant]

you have any proof that Kosier is a "relatively weak guard"?

The average offensive guard benches 225 26 times, Kosier does it 21 times. The most he was ever recorded doing was 24, and that was at the combine which players train for for months.

So, by guards standards, he is weaker than the average OG.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Allen struggled mightily against Sapp. And has the last two times he played him (Tampa 2003). Some players just have others' numbers. It happens all the time.
But if it is more comforting to blame the center/whipping boy, indulge yourself.

If this is what he was reffering to, then it really doesnt mean anything. Every player has their kryptonite. I thought he was reffering to the sack Sapp got, and I was correcting what I thought he meant, considering Allen did not give up that sack.

 

[The30YardSlant]

HH,

F=MxA, so speed does play a vital role.

And i think an arguement for how good an OLinemen is should be based on how he blocks his man, not how much he bench presses. The player that makes the block that allows a play to be successful more often would be the better player.

I agree, and this is yet another point (or ten) in LA's favor. He may not be fast, but when he gets square in front of you, you arent going anywhere but backwards or down.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

hey Herpes, I'm having a little trouble here, can you explain the math to me, how Kosier had interest from 8 teams and was signed on the 1st day of free agency, while it took most of the top free agents being signed before LA was

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So, by guards standards, he is weaker than the average OG.

I haven't seen it in his play

Mike Mamula was incredibly strong, yet look how that went

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree, and this is yet another point (or ten) in LA's favor. He may not be fast, but when he gets square in front of you, you arent going anywhere but backwards or down.

if you can speed and stunt right by LA, what does it matter?

 

[Hoov]

I agree, and this is yet another point (or ten) in LA's favor. He may not be fast, but when he gets square in front of you, you arent going anywhere but backwards or down.

so you dont think allen missed a lot of blocks or got beat quite a bit last year ?

 

[The30YardSlant]

:laugh1:

you are possibly THE worst poster on this board, you're lucky Nors is not here anymore to take that distinction from you

And he fails to answer to anything in any post regarding the butt kicking being served onto him. Simply resorting to pitiful insults does nothing more than highlight your ignorance and the fact that you have nothing better to say.

I can and will remove my foot from your posterior anytime you want, all you have to do is ask and stop going on about this idiotic "speed is better than strength" garbage, bucketboy

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The player that makes the block that allows a play to be successful more often would be the better player.

include the the phrase "how often" at the beginning of your sentence

 

[The30YardSlant]

so you dont think allen missed a lot of blocks or got beat quite a bit last year ?

Did I say that? No

What I said was, you are correct, he doesnt have great speed and agility, and quicker players did outmenuever him and beat him. However, in an offense built around ball control and establishing a running game, I would rather have a mountain of a man who can bulldoze through anything in front of him than a finesse guard who relys on speed.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

stop going on about this idiotic "speed is better than strength" garbage, bucketboy

tell me when did I say speed is better than strength, I do believe I said being both strong and quick is better than being just strong

 

[Alexander]

The average offensive guard benches 225 26 times, Kosier does it 21 times. The most he was ever recorded doing was 24, and that was at the combine which players train for for months.

So, by guards standards, he is weaker than the average OG.

:laugh1:

Oh goodness. FOUR WHOLE BENCH PRESSES! When he was a rookie no less.

I guess players cannot physically mature or develop. Once they show how "weak" they are at the Combine, they are doomed.

 

[The30YardSlant]

if you can speed and stunt right by LA, what does it matter?

Have you ever tried to "stunt" around a man who is 6'4", 330? That's like saying "All you have to do is get around the Great Wall to invade China".

 

[Bob Sacamano]

However, in an offense built around ball control and establishing a running game, I would rather have a mountain of a man who can bulldoze through anything in front of him than a finesse guard who relys on speed.

that's funny, since we've been employing LA in that capacity and sucked running behind him these last couple of years

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Have you ever tried to "stunt" around a man who is 6'4", 330? That's like saying "All you have to do is get around the Great Wall to invade China".

defenders were doing that for most of the year, last year