Luepke-Schoonmaker roles

[cristglo]

I like that idea. the more formations we can use, the more it gives defenses to have to prepare for and the better options for us. with Cook, Gallup hopefulll recovered, Lamb and then the two TEs, and if this kid works out, we can run 3 WR, or 2 TE or a 1 FB, 1 TE sets that we can throw and run out of those formations. I even think the 3 TE sets are pretty dangerous, as all of them can catch and couple of them can block specially schoonmaker, so it gives us a power look that forces the defense to play extra LBs for that jumbo set, and yet we can throw to the athletic TEs from that formation. we have some good options offensively

Very great points! I hate where we picked Luke thought it was way too high but MM Mcclay must see something else. The good part is his versatility and the options we have. He is a 3rd down to 1st convertor where he can get free and has great hands. His YAC sucks big time but if he doesn't sit on a rt in front of the chains we should be ok. He is in NO way a flashy pick for some on here who don't understand MM offensive schemes.

 

[Hennessy_King]

At last we appear to have an expert on the Wolverines. Could you let us know what scheme's they played and what his designated functions were in that scheme?

The similarity between: SCHOONMAKER, MAZI and TYLER (from last year) is that our scouting team appear to have identified aspects that could be improved upon or weren't developed or utilized in college as it didnt fit the scheme they were playing.

All these experts appear to ignore Schoonmaker's TE slant receptions....I suppose whilst it suits Dak and our scheme, it's not highlight reel up the seem, though scouting reports indicate that he may well have that in his arsenal (not needed at Michigan).

Tyler smith was one of the worst pass blocking tackles in the league last season. Mazi is in the middle to stop the run. He was the best run defender in football last season. Schoon is a blocker that struggled to separate in coverage and provided nothing after the catch. I dont care what system they used. He would have flashed this elite catch and run ability in 5 years of college football. Go watch darnell washington he flashes that ability

 

[Hennessy_King]

Yea, but Avila and Bergeron were gone and in McClay's opinion (presumably supported by MM) Torrence just doesnt fit in with what we're trying to do.

Torrence aint it. I wanted drew sanders 2nd and darnell washington in the 3rd. I think its better than schoon and overshown in terms of immediate impact guys. I dont want to hear the medical crap on washington it was nothing

 

[The Fonz]

Schoonmaker is a good reciever. Stop with the wrong narrative lies!!

Indeed he is but poor in YAC I see this pick is to help Dak he will be what Jason Witten was for TONY

 

[DandyDon52]

Luepke is not a great blocker, but appears to be a quality runner and receiver. Schoonmaker is a great blocker with questions about what he can contribute as a receiver. Would be interesting if Luepke proves to be a fullback find in the mold of Green Bay's John Kuhn if we'd run more 1FB-1TE sets with Schoonmaker serving as more of an inline tight end and Leupke being a threat coming out of the backfield.

Of course, we're talking about a UDFA fullback and those haven't fared well in camp for years now. It's just an interesting alternative to two-tight end sets for me, especially since we don't have an established starting TE.

how does one pronounce Luepke ??

 

[DandyDon52]

Indeed he is but poor in YAC I see this pick is to help Dak he will be what Jason Witten was for TONY

he reminds me of witten, and in hl came up short of 1st downs several times.
He seems to go down easy.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Torrence aint it. I wanted drew sanders 2nd and darnell washington in the 3rd. I think its better than schoon and overshown in terms of immediate impact guys. I dont want to hear the medical crap on washington it was nothing

It wasn't us that red flagged Washington's health, the whole league did.
So you proffered Sanders/Washington over Overshown/Schoonmaker, fine both appear pretty comparable, just you favor one paring and McClay and the professionals see it differently. It just appeared that Quinn loved Overshown.... surely he's earnt the chance to draft his favorites

 

[Jarntt]

Luepke is not a great blocker, but appears to be a quality runner and receiver. Schoonmaker is a great blocker with questions about what he can contribute as a receiver. Would be interesting if Luepke proves to be a fullback find in the mold of Green Bay's John Kuhn if we'd run more 1FB-1TE sets with Schoonmaker serving as more of an inline tight end and Leupke being a threat coming out of the backfield.

Of course, we're talking about a UDFA fullback and those haven't fared well in camp for years now. It's just an interesting alternative to two-tight end sets for me, especially since we don't have an established starting TE.

Just wondering what you are basing this on. I'm not saying you are wrong, but everything you write is kind of opposite from what I'm reading.

Things I have read differently:

Blocking: From what I read Schoonmaker seems a pretty good blocker but not categorized as a great blocker anywhere that I read for a TE right now and he needs to get a little better to do so at the NFL level. Blocking is one of Luepke's strengths. He has played a lot of FB and is a great pass protector. It is a plus for him

Receiving: There really aren't questions about Schoonmaker's receiving ability. From what I've seen he needs to use his speed (he does have pretty good speed) a little more to get open and after the catch, but that could be more a scheme thing and he does seem like a real good receiver. He likely is our passing down TE (or at least one of them) day 1 even if not the FT starter.

Running: Luepke is not what I would call a quality runner when compared to other College RBs that were drafted if you are thinking ability to be a starting RB, but he certainly seems to have the ability to do it as a utility type guy. I think he can be a short yardage guy, a pass protector, receiver and run as well. He lined up some as a TE in College but I think would be more an HB at the NFL level than a pure TE in certain packages. His best trait and what probably puts him above the other backup RBs (other than his versatility) is going to be his ability to excel on STs. If he makes the team, and I think he will, he is going to be a swiss army knife type guy

 

[Havic]

Very great points! I hate where we picked Luke thought it was way too high but MM Mcclay must see something else. The good part is his versatility and the options we have. He is a 3rd down to 1st convertor where he can get free and has great hands. His YAC sucks big time but if he doesn't sit on a rt in front of the chains we should be ok. He is in NO way a flashy pick for some on here who don't understand MM offensive schemes.

That is assuming we followed McClay's board. 2nd round felt like a reach so I'm not so sure on that. Would have much rather had a guard in the 2nd and TE in the 4-5th round.

 

[blueblood70]

Luepke is not a great blocker, but appears to be a quality runner and receiver. Schoonmaker is a great blocker with questions about what he can contribute as a receiver. Would be interesting if Luepke proves to be a fullback find in the mold of Green Bay's John Kuhn if we'd run more 1FB-1TE sets with Schoonmaker serving as more of an inline tight end and Leupke being a threat coming out of the backfield.

Of course, we're talking about a UDFA fullback and those haven't fared well in camp for years now. It's just an interesting alternative to two-tight end sets for me, especially since we don't have an established starting TE.

the UDFA FB wasn't part of MOORES O whom MM allowed to coach without much interference until it became clear it was time to move on but MM he might just ne priority, now that its his first year taking overt the O.. ,and Schoon could end up thew starter as you stated none have clearly taken the job and Camp will work that out.. will be great competition between the 3 but all 3 still be utilized throughout the year so this was not a wasted pick.

NO more OL jumbo FB packages or at least limited give the job to a FB, stop the gimmicky cute stuff , a real FB..id lie to see more under center qb snaps to better disguise run vs pass and not tip the D.

 

[speedkilz88]

how does one pronounce Luepke ??

Lip-key is what I've heard and seen.

 

[DCBoysfan]

Schoonmaker's age gives pause, but I think he was a solid pick for how Dallas plans to run the offense.

 

[gimmesix]

the UDFA FB wasn't part of MOORES O whom MM allowed to coach without much interference until it became clear it was time to move on but MM he might just ne priority, now that its his first year taking overt the O.. ,and Schoon could end up thew starter as you stated none have clearly taken the job and Camp will work that out.. will be great competition between the 3 but all 3 still be utilized throughout the year so this was not a wasted pick.

NO more OL jumbo FB packages or at least limited give the job to a FB, stop the gimmicky cute stuff , a real FB..id lie to see more under center qb snaps to better disguise run vs pass and not tip the D.

I do wonder if Luepke doesn't show the blocking skills needed to be a fullback if we could view him as a third-down back in a bit of a shift in strategy. With Zeke, we kind of got away from specialty backs, instead letting him tap out when he needed a break. However, Luepke brings size to be a pass protector on third down and good receiving skills out of the backfield. Plus, he might be our best short-yardage option.

Again, I don't know if Luepke is even going to prove worth keeping, but I could see McCarthy having a specialized role for him on third downs, allowing Pollard to rest that way instead of tapping out and then using Jones/Vaughn/Davis to also spell Pollard for a series or two so we don't wear him down.

Will be interesting to watch. Our handling of the RBs since we've had Zeke has been to just let the backs determine when they need to come out of the game for a breather. McCarthy could handle it differently.

Of course, we've got to see what we've got. This is just a bunch of what-ifs and speculation. Schoonmaker could prove to be a complete tight end and take the starting role. Luepke could prove to be a good fullback. Or maybe Luepke doesn't make the team and Ferguson or Hendershot proves to be the best starting TE option.

I like the Luepke pickup, though, and think he has a chance of helping either as a fullback or specialty back. With all of the speed backs we've got now, having one with some power, especially on short-yardage plays, is a good thing. Of course, Pollard runs better between the tackles than he's given credit for and despite his size, Vaughn shows some know-how for running between the tackles. You just sometimes need someone who can bull ahead for a yard or two when teams know the run is coming in short-yardage situations.

 

[gimmesix]

Just wondering what you are basing this on. I'm not saying you are wrong, but everything you write is kind of opposite from what I'm reading.

Things I have read differently:

Blocking: From what I read Schoonmaker seems a pretty good blocker but not categorized as a great blocker anywhere that I read for a TE right now and he needs to get a little better to do so at the NFL level. Blocking is one of Luepke's strengths. He has played a lot of FB and is a great pass protector. It is a plus for him

Receiving: There really aren't questions about Schoonmaker's receiving ability. From what I've seen he needs to use his speed (he does have pretty good speed) a little more to get open and after the catch, but that could be more a scheme thing and he does seem like a real good receiver. He likely is our passing down TE (or at least one of them) day 1 even if not the FT starter.

Running: Luepke is not what I would call a quality runner when compared to other College RBs that were drafted if you are thinking ability to be a starting RB, but he certainly seems to have the ability to do it as a utility type guy. I think he can be a short yardage guy, a pass protector, receiver and run as well. He lined up some as a TE in College but I think would be more an HB at the NFL level than a pure TE in certain packages. His best trait and what probably puts him above the other backup RBs (other than his versatility) is going to be his ability to excel on STs. If he makes the team, and I think he will, he is going to be a swiss army knife type guy

I posted two draft reports questioning Schoonmaker as a receiver. There are plenty others out there. Again, I'm not saying Schoonmaker doesn't have the measurables to be a good receiver. Most of the questions stem from a lack of production, which can be due to a number of factors.

Here's just one that I found with a quick search just now:

Cons​

• There isn't much experience, with only 1,203 snaps played and 1,083 in the last two seasons.
• He struggles to secure catches when dealing with contact, with only three catches on 12 contested catch situations.
• There is plenty of size with Schoonmaker, but he has to utilize it better as a receiver and protect the catch point.
• Overall, the production is lacking, with almost all of it coming in the last two seasons.
• He isn't a creative runner after the catch and won't pick up a lot after the catch.
• There is a bad habit of being overly patient and not attacking the catch.
• He has to improve his strength to be more efficient as a blocker.
• There isn't a great route tree, even for a tight end.

Overview​

Schoonmaker is an athletic tight end with plenty of room to grow as a player. While he isn't the most dynamic receiving prospect, there is enough to work as the second tight end. With his upside as a blocker, Schoonmaker would be ideal working as part of a duo with an athletic and dynamic receiving tight end.

On Luepke, I thought I read that he was a try-hard blocker, but wasn't that great at it. Looking for reports that say that right now, it appears I could be mistaken.

Here's one I just found:

Blocking​

Hunter Luepke is a very talented blocker in both run and pass schemes. In run-blocking schemes, he does a good job of quickly gaining leverage and steering defenders to open up a lane. He also has good play strength at the point of attack which allows him to drive defenders back. On passing plays, he is good at using his play strength and aggressiveness to hold his ground against defenders. By doing this, he is giving his QB more time in the pocket, allowing him to make a play.

 

[ESisback]

I’m intrigued by increased possibilities. We’ve got Pollard, Jones, Davis, Dowdle, Ferguson and Hendershot. Add Schoonmaker, Vaughn and Luepke, and the possible formations and combos are staggering for a competitive TC. I also feel they’re not quite done altering the roster.

 

[blueblood70]

I posted two draft reports questioning Schoonmaker as a receiver. There are plenty others out there. Again, I'm not saying Schoonmaker doesn't have the measurables to be a good receiver. Most of the questions stem from a lack of production, which can be due to a number of factors.

Here's just one that I found with a quick search just now:



On Luepke, I thought I read that he was a try-hard blocker, but wasn't that great at it. Looking for reports that say that right now, it appears I could be mistaken.

Here's one I just found:

Blocking​

Hunter Luepke is a very talented blocker in both run and pass schemes. In run-blocking schemes, he does a good job of quickly gaining leverage and steering defenders to open up a lane. He also has good play strength at the point of attack which allows him to drive defenders back. On passing plays, he is good at using his play strength and aggressiveness to hold his ground against defenders. By doing this, he is giving his QB more time in the pocket, allowing him to make a play.

similar report on Jason witten..Howd that work out..lol

 

[gimmesix]

similar report on Jason witten..Howd that work out..lol

Certainly hope it works out that way. The athleticism is there. We get another Witten and those complaining about the Schoonmaker pick should take that as a sign to never complain again. But I expect fans to stop complain about as much as I expect us to find another Witten. Those guys don't come around that often.

 

[blueblood70]

Certainly hope it works out that way. The athleticism is there. We get another Witten and those complaining about the Schoonmaker pick should take that as a sign to never complain again. But I expect fans to stop complain about as much as I expect us to find another Witten. Those guys don't come around that often.

certainly not suggesting he will be that but still some Witten detractors say he was slow and wasn't special just had the volume to pout up numbers LOL but all he did was move the chains and produce.. but hey hes no Ertz, kittle or Kelce so he must not be special LOL

Just reminding folks that mock drafts, pre-draft reports and status have been known to be wrong.

 

[Hennessy_King]

It wasn't us that red flagged Washington's health, the whole league did.
So you proffered Sanders/Washington over Overshown/Schoonmaker, fine both appear pretty comparable, just you favor one paring and McClay and the professionals see it differently. It just appeared that Quinn loved Overshown.... surely he's earnt the chance to draft his favorites

Drew sanders can push clark and vander trash to immediately get on the field. Overshown is a special teams player that they don't know if he'll play safety or lber yet. I do like overshown's game tho. And yes I think washington was just as good of a blocker with tremendous upside in the passing game that he actually showed on film. Unlike schoon

 

[xwalker]

Yea, but Avila and Bergeron were gone and in McClay's opinion (presumably supported by MM) Torrence just doesnt fit in with what we're trying to do.

The LSU OG that went in the 4th has a similar probability of success as Torrence.