Luepke-Schoonmaker roles

[gimmesix]

Dont change the narrative to production. Watch the tape. He can make plays and did.

The narrative is questions about receiving ability. There are questions and they are mostly based on production. You are the one changing the narrative to me saying he doesn't have receiving ability.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The biggest thing that worries me is he had a total of 637 yards in his ENTIRE college career with 7 TD's. Not exactly super productive BUT I am not sure Michigan was a power passing program. Don't love that and felt I'd rather have a stud Guard with that #2 pick but I am hopeful he will be as good as Schultz + better blocking. May well be worth it!

You can find any reason to hate a guy. It wasnt a high octane passing offense. Qb? Ect….

 

[nalam]

Schoonmaker is good at getting open and very fluid.

He’s ridiculously good at getting in windows.

But for such a good athlete he does nothing after the catch. Like 0 unless he’s just in tons of space.

Late Witten model , may have its uses, just not on 3rd downs unless he is on the right side of sticks ?

 

[CowboyRoy]

The narrative is questions about receiving ability. There are questions and they are mostly based on production. You are the one changing the narrative to me saying he doesn't have receiving ability.

If you understand football then you know its about scheme, qb, opportunity.

 

[gimmesix]

If you understand football then you know its about scheme, qb, opportunity.

Again, I mentioned that in one of my posts. You are real good at seeing what you want to see.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Luepke is not a great blocker, but appears to be a quality runner and receiver. Schoonmaker is a great blocker with questions about what he can contribute as a receiver. Would be interesting if Luepke proves to be a fullback find in the mold of Green Bay's John Kuhn if we'd run more 1FB-1TE sets with Schoonmaker serving as more of an inline tight end and Leupke being a threat coming out of the backfield.

Of course, we're talking about a UDFA fullback and those haven't fared well in camp for years now. It's just an interesting alternative to two-tight end sets for me, especially since we don't have an established starting TE.

I like that idea. the more formations we can use, the more it gives defenses to have to prepare for and the better options for us. with Cook, Gallup hopefulll recovered, Lamb and then the two TEs, and if this kid works out, we can run 3 WR, or 2 TE or a 1 FB, 1 TE sets that we can throw and run out of those formations. I even think the 3 TE sets are pretty dangerous, as all of them can catch and couple of them can block specially schoonmaker, so it gives us a power look that forces the defense to play extra LBs for that jumbo set, and yet we can throw to the athletic TEs from that formation. we have some good options offensively

 

[austin88]

For context on Schoonmaker's production, only 10 D1 teams ran the ball more (i.e., had a lower percentage of pass plays) than Michigan last year. That includes the three service academies. An offense like that isn't going to put up big receiving numbers. In their first three games, they split the (meager) targets across three TEs, before Schoon became the primary guy and started putting up decent numbers.

(Though it's fair to point out that Notre Dame didn't throw the ball very much either, and Mayer still had a lot of production.)

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Schoonmaker's receiving ability is not a question mark.

He can sit down in space between LB in a zone and he can stem a comeback on the seam doesn't mean he doesn't have a REALLY long way to go.

 

[speedkilz88]

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[big dog cowboy]

Schoonmaker has low receiving production compared to the other top tight ends in this draft.

His lower receiving production compared to others?????? That's why you posted "questions about what he can contribute as a receiver."????

Did you by chance happen to look into why that happened? He was still the 2nd leading receiver on his college run first team and that is with him missing 2 games.

There is nothing wrong with his receiving skills. The Cowboys wouldn't have taken him at 58 if there was. He is a rook with things to learn sure. They all do.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Dont change the narrative to production. Watch the tape. He can make plays and did.

 

[quickccc]

Luepke is not a great blocker, but appears to be a quality runner and receiver. Schoonmaker is a great blocker with questions about what he can contribute as a receiver. Would be interesting if Luepke proves to be a fullback find in the mold of Green Bay's John Kuhn if we'd run more 1FB-1TE sets with Schoonmaker serving as more of an inline tight end and Leupke being a threat coming out of the backfield.

Of course, we're talking about a UDFA fullback and those haven't fared well in camp for years now. It's just an interesting alternative to two-tight end sets for me, especially since we don't have an established starting TE.

Then that's not a FB, .. that's more a big RB ..than a FB. That's Jamize Olawale 2.0

-And we've already been thru that nonsense with Kellen moore.

-even the small number of teams that still employ the FB .. have FBs that speclialize in blocking first. ... then the receiving and occasional runs are luxuries.
Kyle Juszczyk Niners
CJ Ham Vikes
Patrick Richard Ravens

 

[gimmesix]

His lower receiving production compared to others?????? That's why you posted "questions about what he can contribute as a receiver."????

Did you by chance happen to look into why that happened? He was still the 2nd leading receiver on his college run first team and that is with him missing 2 games.

There is nothing wrong with his receiving skills. The Cowboys wouldn't have taken him at 58 if there was. He is a rook with things to learn sure. They all do.

This is what I posted:

with questions about what he can contribute as a receiver

That is what exists. It's in all the critiques of him that are out there. Why it happened does not alleviate the questions.

I'm not saying he doesn't have the ability. I'm saying there are questions about that, which there are. The main reason, but not the only one, is tied to his production. Obviously, if his production was like Mayer's there would be no question about his receiving ability and he would have gone much, much sooner.

 

[gimmesix]

Then that's not a FB, .. that's more a big RB ..than a FB. That's Jamize Olawale 2.0

-And we've already been thru that nonsense with Kellen moore.

-even the small number of teams that still employ the FB .. have FBs that speclialize in blocking first. ... then the receiving and occasional runs are luxuries.
Kyle Juszczyk Niners
CJ Ham Vikes
Patrick Richard Ravens

That doesn't mean Luepke is not going to be used for blocking. He would be more like a receiving tight end blocking, while Schoonmaker would be more like a blocking tight end receiving. Both could end up better in their con areas, but those are the questions that exist about them.

 

[charron]

After 10 years of Garrett I don't trust these guys will actually use a FB. We shall see

 

[quickccc]

That doesn't mean Luepke is not going to be used for blocking. He would be more like a receiving tight end blocking, while Schoonmaker would be more like a blocking tight end receiving. Both could end up better in their con areas, but those are the questions that exist about them.

Blocking is not his strong suit, in fact it's a huge sore spot, ..just like it was for Jamize Olawale Why would we be repeating this over again ?

. - and we already have four TEs that one could be H-back.

 

[stiletto]

You can find any reason to hate a guy. It wasnt a high octane passing offense. Qb? Ect….

Yeah, don't really care was just thinking they'd replenish the OL more than they did. Lot of problems there in my opinion. TE is more important to me after the Oline holes are addressed but obviously the brain-trust isn't thinking that. Who is going to play Guard at this point? Guess they are thinking Tyron Smith is going to play 16 games again....

 

[CowboyRoy]

Again, I mentioned that in one of my posts. You are real good at seeing what you want to see.

So why are you basing your opinion off of production? This was a power running offense.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

But for such a good athlete he does nothing after the catch.

And that's OK.......esp for a TE. Hell, sounds like Jason Witten to me. Pretty sure if he's always open and/or where he suppose to be, Dak will love him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Then that's not a FB, .. that's more a big RB ..than a FB. That's Jamize Olawale 2.0

-And we've already been thru that nonsense with Kellen moore.

-even the small number of teams that still employ the FB .. have FBs that speclialize in blocking first. ... then the receiving and occasional runs are luxuries.
Kyle Juszczyk Niners
CJ Ham Vikes
Patrick Richard Ravens

So because moore couldnt use a supposed similar type back this guy sucks?