Mac Engel... "Pacman may still faces supension for the first 2 regular season games.

[zeromaster]

when Goodell first came into his role as commish and he started laying down the law on these THUGS i thought he was the man and was gonna try to fix the problem......but as time went on I started to see he was being selective and now I'm real down on him...it sounds like im one of the few here who thinks Pacman deserves this punishment..this wasn't 1 thing he did hes been surrounded by issues again and again and where theres smoke there is most definitely fire ...he is a THUG ...not misguided or immature ..hes a THUG...if he did these things to any of our mothers or daughters or brothers it would be different ..right?..just because he is now a Cowboy everyone thinks he should be given another chance ....if he weren't a football player he would probably be in jail for god knows what...no he isnt the only thug in the league but that don't make him not a thug.....hes had more than enough chances and I wouldn't care if he never got reinstated .............. i do wish that Goodell would be just as harsh with the Thurmans, Bellicheats, and Bengals (lol) of the NFL to suspend Wade Wilson and only fine Bellicheat is a joke...he should be suspended for at least half a season.....someone said it best earlier .."if he were a Commander we would want his head on a platter"

Nice post.

The misuse of periods is disturbing however.

 

[Fletch]

Is it just me or is anybody else getting sick of Goodell??

I am tired of Goodell and his gavel. The guy is a joke. Never has the NFL seen the problems it has faced since Tagliabue's departure. Goodell is trying to rule with an iron fist, but the scandals and the off-the-field crime just seems to be coming in waves.

 

[dadymat]

One more time:

A company has no business telling me what I can or cannot do in my personal life.

you didnt sign a multi million dollar contract with your company to represent your companies good name did you?

I dont think he got in trouble just for going to strip clubs...I think it has something to do with grabbing women by their throats, spitting in their faces and hanging with a posse who returns to shoot up the place and crippling bystanders....

 

[Clove]

I think we should just get rid of all the players, and replace them with preachers, ushers and decons. That way we won't ever have threads like this. what a fun league that would be.

 

[dadymat]

Nice post.

The misuse of periods is disturbing however.

ive always had period problem..........


wait that didnt sound right..

 

[khiladi]

you didnt sign a multi million dollar contract with your company to represent your companies good name did you?

I dont think he got in trouble just for going to strip clubs...I think it has something to do with grabbing women by their throats, spitting in their faces and hanging with a posse who returns to shoot up the place and crippling bystanders....

No, the players are representing the club as it relates to their performance on the field. You are representing your employer when you are at work. That fact has no relevance to the amount of money either you or Pac-man makes. They have every sight to spend the money they earn in whichever way they please in this country as long as it is not against the law. Imagine your company telling you how and where you should spend the money

And the ironic thing is that Pac-man wasn't convicted guilty of any of these things. What this means is the NFL is placing itself above the law by punishing people for acts that they haven't been proven guilty of. It is akin to if Michael Vick was found not guilty for brutally mis-handling dogs and the NFL told him he couldn't play anyways and still needs to face suspension.

As I said, it's a joke.

 

[fortdick]

I'm glad the criminal justice system doesn't work this way. Just imagine getting a jail sentence, serving the entire sentence, then the prosecutor coming in and saying, "Well, I think we'll add a few more months to that sentence."

It does! They do it to mentally disordered offenders all the time. Times up? Not so fast, you are a threat to others, so off to the prison with the mental ward.

 

[joseephuss]

No, the players are representing the club as it relates to their performance on the field. You are representing your employer when you are at work. That fact has no relevance to the amount of money either you or Pac-man makes. They have every sight to spend the money they earn in whichever way they please in this country as long as it is not against the law. Imagine your company telling you how and where you should spend the money

And the ironic thing is that Pac-man wasn't convicted guilty of any of these things. What this means is the NFL is placing itself above the law by punishing people for acts that they haven't been proven guilty of. It is akin to if Michael Vick was found not guilty for brutally mis-handling dogs and the NFL told him he couldn't play anyways and still needs to face suspension.

As I said, it's a joke.

Yes, he was. He has had multiple run ins with the law. On at least two of those many run ins he was charged and found guilty.

 

[dadymat]

No, the players are representing the club as it relates to their performance on the field. You are representing your employer when you are at work. That fact has no relevance to the amount of money either you or Pac-man makes. They have every sight to spend the money they earn in whichever way they please in this country as long as it is not against the law. Imagine your company telling you how and where you should spend the money

And the ironic thing is that Pac-man wasn't convicted guilty of any of these things. What this means is the NFL is placing itself above the law by punishing people for acts that they haven't been proven guilty of. It is akin to if Michael Vick was found not guilty for brutally mis-handling dogs and the NFL told him he couldn't play anyways and still needs to face suspension.

As I said, it's a joke.

you are missing the key word.....CONTRACT.....these contracts have these wordings in them..that you shall not do things detrimental to team or NFL he has done both...and to say that it doesnt matter how much you make is ridiculous....making 5 million a year compared to $30,000 does mean something...if a company hires you to show up 9 to 5 and do paper work for $30,000 then it matters if a company hires you to represent their team and NFL for 5 mill a year thats a 24 hr job ....they expect you to be role model for their team and your city thats part of why they pay you to do...part of your job ...just because its aftre the game doesnt mean you can act a fool......

I guess Rae Carruth, Ray Lewis, Mike Vick, Mark Chimura, Ricky Williams should be declared innocent because they did their crimes on their own time.......

 

[coach316]

No, the players are representing the club as it relates to their performance on the field. You are representing your employer when you are at work. That fact has no relevance to the amount of money either you or Pac-man makes. They have every sight to spend the money they earn in whichever way they please in this country as long as it is not against the law. Imagine your company telling you how and where you should spend the money

And the ironic thing is that Pac-man wasn't convicted guilty of any of these things. What this means is the NFL is placing itself above the law by punishing people for acts that they haven't been proven guilty of. It is akin to if Michael Vick was found not guilty for brutally mis-handling dogs and the NFL told him he couldn't play anyways and still needs to face suspension.

As I said, it's a joke.

You seem to be confused as to why Pacman was suspended. He wasn't suspended JUST for going to a strip club. The problem was what occurred while he was there. Someone was shot and paralyzed. Law enforcement had to be called. And even that wasn't the only reason...there were 11 other incidents where police were called that prompted the suspension.

Nobody's telling anyone they can't go to strip clubs. Just stay out of trouble when you go. BIG difference.

Also, I'd be interested to know if you had the same outcry for Keith Davis when Bill Parcells cut him and essentially, when no other team would touch him, was "suspended" for a year from football?

 

[firehawk350]

No, the players are representing the club as it relates to their performance on the field. You are representing your employer when you are at work. That fact has no relevance to the amount of money either you or Pac-man makes. They have every sight to spend the money they earn in whichever way they please in this country as long as it is not against the law. Imagine your company telling you how and where you should spend the money

And the ironic thing is that Pac-man wasn't convicted guilty of any of these things. What this means is the NFL is placing itself above the law by punishing people for acts that they haven't been proven guilty of. It is akin to if Michael Vick was found not guilty for brutally mis-handling dogs and the NFL told him he couldn't play anyways and still needs to face suspension.

As I said, it's a joke.

As a former member of the military, I can not tell you how wrong you are. I couldn't do things that were PERFECTLY legal and even guaranteed under the constitution (such as attend hate groups' rallies, not that I would ever want to, but it still is a constitutional right that was denied to me and all my military brethren). Do you remember that Air Force Sergeant that was dismissed from active duty because she posed in playboy? I could have gotten in a lot of trouble for hanging out with some of my superiors in my time off. There's a whole other group of laws that apply to the military that doesn't apply to the populace (read the UCMJ if you want more info).

There are other jobs like that too, my job I have now can dismiss me for owning too much stock in a foreign business or have a personal vested interest with a foreign national or a number of other things they don't think I should do even though they are PERFECTLY legal.

There are a bunch of industries anc companies that don't look into people's personal lives and chances are, a good portion of the board is in those... HOWEVER, this isn't to say they can't, they just don't care. They are a bunch of reasons that a company can't fire you (race, religion, ethnicity, national origin, gender, etc...) but conduct detrimental to the team's image, even if you aren't found guilty is perfectly legal.

 

[khiladi]

you are missing the key word.....CONTRACT.....these contracts have these wordings in them..that you shall not do things detrimental to team or NFL he has done both...and to say that it doesnt matter how much you make is ridiculous....making 5 million a year compared to $30,000 does mean something...if a company hires you to show up 9 to 5 and do paper work for $30,000 then it matters if a company hires you to represent their team and NFL for 5 mill a year thats a 24 hr job ....they expect you to be role model for their team and your city thats part of why they pay you to do...part of your job ...just because its aftre the game doesnt mean you can act a fool......

I guess Rae Carruth, Ray Lewis, Mike Vick, Mark Chimura, Ricky Williams should be declared innocent because they did their crimes on their own time.......

No, it doesn't mean something. A job is a job, irrespective of the pay one makes. Everybody in this country has fundamental rights as it relates to their own personal private lives. What this means is, yes you can act the fool outside of work in this country.

Players are paid money because of their conduct on the football field. The only time a team has the right to get involved if actions outside work may effect the physical play on the field. For example, engaging in high-risk activities that may result in physical injuries which would put that player on the IR.

 

[VietCowboy]

As a former member of the military, I can not tell you how wrong you are. I couldn't do things that were PERFECTLY legal and even guaranteed under the constitution (such as attend hate groups' rallies, not that I would ever want to, but it still is a constitutional right that was denied to me and all my military brethren). Do you remember that Air Force Sergeant that was dismissed from active duty because she posed in playboy? I could have gotten in a lot of trouble for hanging out with some of my superiors in my time off. There's a whole other group of laws that apply to the military that doesn't apply to the populace (read the UCMJ if you want more info).

There are other jobs like that too, my job I have now can dismiss me for owning too much stock in a foreign business or have a personal vested interest with a foreign national or a number of other things they don't think I should do even though they are PERFECTLY legal.

There are a bunch of industries anc companies that don't look into people's personal lives and chances are, a good portion of the board is in those... HOWEVER, this isn't to say they can't, they just don't care. They are a bunch of reasons that a company can't fire you (race, religion, ethnicity, national origin, gender, etc...) but conduct detrimental to the team's image, even if you aren't found guilty is perfectly legal.

so applying this situation to yours, you are saying if you were to attend a hate rally, the US Govt can be punished for it?

 

[dadymat]

No, it doesn't mean something. A job is a job, irrespective of the pay one makes. Everybody in this country has fundamental rights as it relates to their own personal private lives. What this means is, yes you can act the fool outside of work in this country.

Players are paid money because of their conduct on the football field. The only time a team has the right to get involved if actions outside work may effect the physical play on the field. For example, engaging in high-risk activities that may result in physical injuries which would put that player on the IR.

you are wrong on so many different levels.....you may THINK that way ...but it is not reality.....if you work at Burger King for $7 an hour things may work that way...but in Billion dollar businesses where they pay people millions they protect themselves with CONTRACTS that employees MUST sign or they DONT get the job.....I repeat the key word is CONTRACT......if I hire you and you sign my contract that says you cant say the word "MOM" ...if you say the word MOM I can fire you legally ...because of signed contract......so you can forget all the "In America" and " Fundamental rights" stuff cause it doesnt mean anything next to a signed CONTRACT

 

[coach316]

No, it doesn't mean something. A job is a job, irrespective of the pay one makes. Everybody in this country has fundamental rights as it relates to their own personal private lives. What this means is, yes you can act the fool outside of work in this country.

Players are paid money because of their conduct on the football field. The only time a team has the right to get involved if actions outside work may effect the physical play on the field. For example, engaging in high-risk activities that may result in physical injuries which would put that player on the IR.

We're just wasting our time here. He jus' dun' git it. And probably never will.

 

[burmafrd]

These wannabe lawyer types always miss the point. But then when you think about it its not a surprise. Outside of politicians and PR specialists, who else makes a living at lying?

 

[speedkilz88]

As a former member of the military, I can not tell you how wrong you are. I couldn't do things that were PERFECTLY legal and even guaranteed under the constitution (such as attend hate groups' rallies, not that I would ever want to, but it still is a constitutional right that was denied to me and all my military brethren). Do you remember that Air Force Sergeant that was dismissed from active duty because she posed in playboy? I could have gotten in a lot of trouble for hanging out with some of my superiors in my time off. There's a whole other group of laws that apply to the military that doesn't apply to the populace (read the UCMJ if you want more info).

There are other jobs like that too, my job I have now can dismiss me for owning too much stock in a foreign business or have a personal vested interest with a foreign national or a number of other things they don't think I should do even though they are PERFECTLY legal.

There are a bunch of industries anc companies that don't look into people's personal lives and chances are, a good portion of the board is in those... HOWEVER, this isn't to say they can't, they just don't care. They are a bunch of reasons that a company can't fire you (race, religion, ethnicity, national origin, gender, etc...) but conduct detrimental to the team's image, even if you aren't found guilty is perfectly legal.

But you could go to strip clubs and casinos.

 

[Angus]

Maybe Khiladi spent too much time in Bollywood and isn't ready for the real world yet.

j/k

 

[DaBoys4Life]

No, it doesn't mean something. A job is a job, irrespective of the pay one makes. Everybody in this country has fundamental rights as it relates to their own personal private lives. What this means is, yes you can act the fool outside of work in this country.

Players are paid money because of their conduct on the football field. The only time a team has the right to get involved if actions outside work may effect the physical play on the field. For example, engaging in high-risk activities that may result in physical injuries which would put that player on the IR.

the NFL is in the Private sector and can do business however they see fit.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Is it me or does anyone else wish Tagliabue was still commissioner?