Mac Engel... "Pacman may still faces supension for the first 2 regular season games.

[khiladi]

Some of you seem to think Goodell has inappropriately handled Spygate. Belicheat and the Patriots were dealt with swiftly and immediately, not after multiple infractions. Now I do think that the punishment should have included a suspension for Belicheat along with the fines and loss of draft choice, but that is hindsight.

No.. Goodell punished Bellicheat and the Patriots prior to even getting the tapes. He then burned the tapes when he got them. What this means is he didn't know the extent of their cheating, put on a mockery of a decision, and conveniently forgot about the whole thing. Now he is trying to play cover-up, which is obviously reflected in the inconsistent versions the NFL is putting out about how much they knew and didn't know...

 

[khiladi]

They are 'indefinite" suspensions depending on the how the player goes about his business. .

It works both ways. He shortened Tank's suspension for good behavior and taking care of his business. I didn't hear anyone here complaining that Goodell wasn't keeping his word and standing firm on full suspension then.

PacMan got clearance from Goodell to start working out with a team in December and looked like he was well on his way towards getting reinstated ... then he got caught in yet another stupid strip club incident, and had those rights revoked. If you want to blame someone, look at PacMan.

He shortened Tank's suspension.. when? Tank had an eight game suspension, and his first game was in week 10, against the Giants.
Further, there was no 'indefinite' as far as it concerned Tank Johnson.

You can't play this whole 'indefinite' mess, leaving it upto some arbitrary feeling of Goodell. That, in itself, is a joke. Every court system reduces punishment depending upon how a criminal conducted himself. No law system extends punishment to more than what they received after the fact or leaves it up to some arbitrary number...

 

[coach316]

The league has no business dictating how a player spends his time outside of work. This is America where freedom is the operative word, or so they say. The only legitimate reason they have is if the player is under investigation for criminal activity.

You are wholly incorrect

 

[dadymat]

when Goodell first came into his role as commish and he started laying down the law on these THUGS i thought he was the man and was gonna try to fix the problem......but as time went on I started to see he was being selective and now I'm real down on him...it sounds like im one of the few here who thinks Pacman deserves this punishment..this wasn't 1 thing he did hes been surrounded by issues again and again and where theres smoke there is most definitely fire ...he is a THUG ...not misguided or immature ..hes a THUG...if he did these things to any of our mothers or daughters or brothers it would be different ..right?..just because he is now a Cowboy everyone thinks he should be given another chance ....if he weren't a football player he would probably be in jail for god knows what...no he isnt the only thug in the league but that don't make him not a thug.....hes had more than enough chances and I wouldn't care if he never got reinstated .............. i do wish that Goodell would be just as harsh with the Thurmans, Bellicheats, and Bengals (lol) of the NFL to suspend Wade Wilson and only fine Bellicheat is a joke...he should be suspended for at least half a season.....someone said it best earlier .."if he were a Commander we would want his head on a platter"

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Is it just me or is anybody else getting sick of Goodell??

While I wasn't a big Tags fan, at least he helped get the current CBA extended. I have no confidence in Goodell convincing the owners to do the same. If they come to a new CBA, it will likely be due to the owners and the NFLPA working together, not Roger the Rube's influence.



YAKUZA
www.impeachgoodell.com
spread the word

 

[coach316]

No.. Goodell punished Bellicheat and the Patriots prior to even getting the tapes. He then burned the tapes when he got them. What this means is he didn't know the extent of their cheating, put on a mockery of a decision, and conveniently forgot about the whole thing. Now he is trying to play cover-up, which is obviously reflected in the inconsistent versions the NFL is putting out about how much they knew and didn't know...

Goodell already had the evidence in hand from the confiscated camera and tape from the Jets game by NFL security. That alone was proof that violation of the videotaping rule took place. 2 days later Goodell ruled that a violation had been made. Another 2 days later Goodell issued the punishment, the fine given to Belicheat the NFL MAXIMUM he could hand out, fined the team an additional amount and took away a draft choice AND then requested any and all videotapes and notes be handed over.

Again, I think the punishment should have included suspension but that is hindsight. You can't fault Goodell for acting quickly and handing out the maximum allowable fine. Evidence was there that the rule was broken, additional video tapes handed over was not going to make the rule "more" broken, just document the length of time Belicheat had been doing it before getting caught.

 

[Clove]

I have so much to say to the saints of the board, but I may get banned if I do, so I'll just keep my trap shut. (for now)

 

[dadymat]

I have so much to say to the saints of the board, but I may get banned if I do, so I'll just keep my trap shut. (for now)

:eekmouse:

 

[Alexander]

Has this not been reported elsewhere? Seems like this would be front page news.

 

[Doomsday101]

The league has no business dictating how a player spends his time outside of work. This is America where freedom is the operative word, or so they say. The only legitimate reason they have is if the player is under investigation for criminal activity.

Playing in the NFL is not a right, you want to play in the NFL then you follow the rules if not then go to the CFL.

You are right this is not a court of law and they do not have the follow the procedure of a court of law. Pacman has been in constant trouble since he entered the NFL and because of that yes they look at him a lot different than a guy who messed up once.

The owners and players themselves are sick of it and have spoken out about it and they are not going to bend over backward for guys like Pacman Jones he will either gets his act together or he is gone from the league. You may not like it but that is the way it is!!!

 

[joseephuss]

He shortened Tank's suspension.. when? Tank had an eight game suspension, and his first game was in week 10, against the Giants.
Further, there was no 'indefinite' as far as it concerned Tank Johnson.

You can't play this whole 'indefinite' mess, leaving it upto some arbitrary feeling of Goodell. That, in itself, is a joke. Every court system reduces punishment depending upon how a criminal conducted himself. No law system extends punishment to more than what they received after the fact or leaves it up to some arbitrary number...

Tank had an 8 game suspension. That meant he could not practice or participate in any team activities. Goodell then came in and said Tank could start practicing with the Cowboys before the 8 games was completed. That is a form of sentence reduction.

How does a suspended sentence work? Isn't it based on the how a criminal conducts themselves. If they stay "good" then they don't actually see any punishment. If they stay "bad" then their punishment kicks in plus they may be additionally punished for their extra "bad" act.

Goodell may be a little out of line with how he has dealt with Pacman, but let's not act as if Pacman is some innocent bystander. The guy has done plenty to screw up his life. I also think Pacman was wrong not to appeal the NFL's decision. Initially Pacman was going to appeal, but he ended up withdrawing his appeal. An appeal would have probably caused his and any future player punishments to be more defined. Maybe a standard could have been reached.

 

[khiladi]

Goodell already had the evidence in hand from the confiscated camera and tape from the Jets game by NFL security. That alone was proof that violation of the videotaping rule took place. 2 days later Goodell ruled that a violation had been made. Another 2 days later Goodell issued the punishment, the fine given to Belicheat the NFL MAXIMUM he could hand out, fined the team an additional amount and took away a draft choice AND then requested any and all videotapes and notes be handed over.

Again, I think the punishment should have included suspension but that is hindsight. You can't fault Goodell for acting quickly and handing out the maximum allowable fine. Evidence was there that the rule was broken, additional video tapes handed over was not going to make the rule "more" broken, just document the length of time Belicheat had been doing it before getting caught.

The fine given was an NFL maximum? Pretty convenient considering the arbitrary way in which Goodell is handing out suspensions to players... No matter the attempts at justification, Goodell already knew their were more tapes when the whole incident happened. The Jets claims didn't extend to one game, but previous games as well... Further, there was a warning sent out by the league.

Goodell is a freakin' joke... The NFL is clearly lying about what they did and didn't know..

 

[khiladi]

Playing in the NFL is not a right, you want to play in the NFL then you follow the rules if not then go to the CFL.

You are right this is not a court of law and they do not have the follow the procedure of a court of law. Pacman has been in constant trouble since he entered the NFL and because of that yes they look at him a lot different than a guy who messed up once.

The owners and players themselves are sick of it and have spoken out about it and they are not going to bend over backward for guys like Pacman Jones he will either gets his act together or he is gone from the league. You may not like it but that is the way it is!!!

One more time:

A company has no business telling me what I can or cannot do in my personal life. If your company were to suspend you because you went to a strip club outside of company hours because the owner is a feminist, you would have every right to tell her to f-off and further take the issue to the court, if they tell you not to come into work the next few days.

This is America where BOTH the employee and employer have rights and duties. It isn't a one-way show.

 

[VietCowboy]

i do not think what goodell did with pacman was unwarranted or overly harsh. I think people just complain because goodell doesn't seem to be administering punishment FAIRLY when someone who takes HGH for his health is spended and fined while another person who cheats to death is only fined, and it is his TEAM that gets punished. I'd rather see a sort of timetable for particular offenses.

Also, I wouldn't mind something like "3 strikes" and you're out. That way, it is fair, players and coaches know what to expect, and no exceptions.

 

[khiladi]

Tank had an 8 game suspension. That meant he could not practice or participate in any team activities. Goodell then came in and said Tank could start practicing with the Cowboys before the 8 games was completed. That is a form of sentence reduction.

How does a suspended sentence work? Isn't it based on the how a criminal conducts themselves. If they stay "good" then they don't actually see any punishment. If they stay "bad" then their punishment kicks in plus they may be additionally punished for their extra "bad" act.

Goodell may be a little out of line with how he has dealt with Pacman, but let's not act as if Pacman is some innocent bystander. The guy has done plenty to screw up his life. I also think Pacman was wrong not to appeal the NFL's decision. Initially Pacman was going to appeal, but he ended up withdrawing his appeal. An appeal would have probably caused his and any future player punishments to be more defined. Maybe a standard could have been reached.

Regarding Tank, there was a specific maximum punishment defined by the league. Further, Tank was charged with a violation of the law, Pac-man wasn't.

It doesn't matter what Pac-man has done to screw up his life. Those are his own personal decisions that impact his own personal life. The fact is, what he has done is outside work and he hasn't been convicted of any criminal activity. The NFL has no business extending it's hands into matters that clearly are not violations of the law. If a court has not convicted a player, than the NFL needs to stay out of the personal business of the player.

The fact is the real issue is Goodell, not one player by the name of Pac-man. Goodell has way more power than Pac-man and the implications of his decisions are felt by many more people than the decisions of Pac-man. To me, he's the real joke in this whole scherade by the NFL.

 

[Doomsday101]

One more time:

A company has no business telling me what I can or cannot do in my personal life. If your company were to suspend you because you went to a strip club outside of company hours because the owner is a feminist, you would have every right to tell her to f-off and further take the issue to the court, if they tell you not to come into work the next few days.

Depends on the business you work for you may not like it but with some business they can put in conduct policy. Great thing is you don't have to work there if you don't want to. NFL has conduct policy in place the players know this before they enter the league and either Pacman and other players abid by it or they will be shown the door.

You may not like but that is how it is. NFL is not a given right to anyone and you want to be part of it then deal with the rules. As for Pacman or any other player wanting to take it to court go for it yet not one has I wonder why they sure as hell have the lawyers so tell me why they don't play that card? Because they don't have a leg to stand on!!!

 

[khiladi]

Depends on the business you work for you may not like it but with some business they can put in conduct policy. Great thing is you don't have to work there if you don't want to. NFL has conduct policy in place the players know this before they enter the league and either Pacman and other players abid by it or they will be shown the door.

The great thing about this country is that a company can't tell you what you can or cannot do in your personal life. And further, what is so great about it is that the company can't offer excuses to do what they feel like under the argument that the person can find another place to work, otherwise they can be legally challenged.

You may not like but that is how it is. NFL is not a given right to anyone and you want to be part of it then deal with the rules. As for Pacman or any other player wanting to take it to court go for it yet not one has I wonder why they sure as hell have the lawyers so tell me why they don't play that card? Because they don't have a leg to stand on!!!

Pac-man could have legally challenged the whole affair, and his lawyers advised him to. He chose not to.

 

[Doomsday101]

The great thing about this country is that a company can't tell you what you can or cannot do in your personal life. And further, what is so great about it is that the company can't offer excuses to do what they feel like under the argument that the person can find another place to work, otherwise they can be legally challenged.




Pac-man could have legally challenged the whole affair, and his lawyers advised him to. He chose not to.

As I said like it or not that is the way it is players know this from the get go from the rookie orientation they attend through the NFLPA and the organization they play for. You want to cry over Pacman and act like he is some poor victim fine you can kid yourself all day long but it changes nothing. Pacman brought this on himself and now has to deal with it. If he wants to take it to court then do it, if not then learn to control your behavior

 

[pgreptom]

I'm glad the criminal justice system doesn't work this way. Just imagine getting a jail sentence, serving the entire sentence, then the prosecutor coming in and saying, "Well, I think we'll add a few more months to that sentence."

Goodell is a joke.

I can honestly say this is the first post of yours that I have EVER read that I agree with. Kudos. I agree.

 

[joseephuss]

Regarding Tank, there was a specific maximum punishment defined by the league. Further, Tank was charged with a violation of the law, Pac-man wasn't.

It doesn't matter what Pac-man has done to screw up his life. Those are his own personal decisions that impact his own personal life. The fact is, what he has done is outside work and he hasn't been convicted of any criminal activity. The NFL has no business extending it's hands into matters that clearly are not violations of the law. If a court has not convicted a player, than the NFL needs to stay out of the personal business of the player.

The fact is the real issue is Goodell, not one player by the name of Pac-man. Goodell has way more power than Pac-man and the implications of his decisions are felt by many more people than the decisions of Pac-man. To me, he's the real joke in this whole scherade by the NFL.

Pacman was found in violation of the law and charged for two of his incidents.