Mac Engel... "Pacman may still faces supension for the first 2 regular season games.

[theogt]

Hanging out at strip clubs does not look good for a man in Pacman situation. You may not understand that but if he does not understand that he could be sitting out for a long time. Pacman is under strict guideline with the league the guy better not sneeze the wrong way right now.

The league never conditioned his reinstatement on not going to strip clubs.

 

[Doomsday101]

The league never conditioned his reinstatement on not going to strip clubs.

Goodell did warn him about that and the people he was hanging out with. Don't kid youself Pacman has problems and the league has grown tired of his act and if he can't clean it up he will not return.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thursday, April 17, 2008


Roger Goodell is encouraged by some of the things suspended Titans cornerback Pacman Jones has said over the last few weeks.

But actions speak louder than words. And for now, it doesn't seem like Jones – who the Cowboys have had discussions about acquiring in a trade – has walked the straight and narrow long enough for Goodell to reinstate him.

"One of the issues I rose with Adam was I want to see a sustained period of time where he conducts himself the way an NFL player should conduct himself," Goodell said after the SMU Athletic Forum luncheon, which was held Wednesday at the Hilton Anatole hotel. "That's why I gave him the opportunity to participate with the Titans immediately after the season.

"He had a hiccup. He had some things that I didn't think reflect well on the league or himself, so I took that right away from him. At some point, I may reconsider that."

The incident Goodell referred to was a woman alleging that Jones hit her at an Atlanta strip club on Jan. 3. The woman sought an arrest warrant on Jan. 15 and withdrew the request the next day. As a result, Jones had his right to work out at the Titans' facility revoked.

Jones planned to file for reinstatement Tuesday but didn't, perhaps because it is unnecessary. The NFL does not require a suspended player to file for reinstatement, although he is free to request that the league consider his case informally.

In cases where it is presumed the player wants to return, his case will be reviewed at the league's discretion.

Goodell maintained his stance that the review on Jones will take place sometime before training camp.

"I'm encouraged by some of the things I'm hearing, but I will meet with him before training camp starts to gauge personally some of the things he's doing," Goodell said. "I will keep in touch with our people that are monitoring his progress."

According to a source, the Cowboys are willing to give up no more than a fifth-round pick in the 2008 draft for Jones, while talks on adding a 2009 pick are ongoing.

Cowboys owner and General Manager Jerry Jones said there has been no movement in the Pacman Jones negotiations with the team focusing on the draft.

He also acknowledged the risk in taking on a player without a guarantee that he'd be able to play.

"I think it has to do with the possibilities," Jones said of any desire to acquire such a player. "In this particular case, Adam is basically getting in position to get on the field and being able to play. ... I know we've had some really good players [that] with a change of scenery, a different situation, come in and do well."

 

[joseephuss]

Your point is understood and appears reasonable, however, I disagree with that concept to some degree. I am in the minority here, but I really don't care WHAT he was ACCUSED of doing. I also don't think that the NFL's marketability is hurt one bit by Pac Man, or any other thug. The Raiders in years past basically acted like criminals and their fans acted somewhat in accordance with that mindset and they were one of the most popular franchises for years.

I can't say that I care about what he is accused of doing, but it does matter. It also matters that he goes to strip clubs. Not because going to strip clubs is bad. It is just bad for Pacman to go to strip clubs. Other players go to strip clubs and it would not really be a big deal. Pacman on the other hand has a history of getting in trouble. The more he puts himself out there, the more likely he is going to get in more trouble. It won't just be a matter of what he is accused of doing, but rather what they will prove he is guilty of doing. If that happens, he won't be playing in the NFL and it won't have anything to do with Goodell. It will be because he is in jail. That is why it matters.

Pacman has not just acted like a criminal, he has come close to crossing the line and being a criminal. It is possible that he has even crossed the line and it just was not proven. That is why I think Pacman has to do things different now. Cleaner for lack of a better word. He is now a target. He has made himself a target.

It really does matter that he was accused of hitting a woman and instigating a shooting. He may have been proven not guilty in these incidents. That is important. It is also important that he keeps getting linked to these types of offenses and has been since college. We are not just talking about hurting himself, but him possibly hurting other people. Most people are going to care about that.

 

[AsthmaField]

"One of the issues I rose with Adam was I want to see a sustained period of time where he conducts himself the way an NFL player should conduct himself,"

I hope Roger let's him do that and allows him to work out with the Cowboys. I realize he took that right away from him a couple of months ago... but now that some time has passed, I'm hoping he lets him work out with the team.

I think that's the first step in getting him reinstated.

 

[ajk23az]

So folks applaud when he suspends guys but then complain when it is one of our guys.

Hypocrite much?

Goodell said it would be a year long suspension, not a year plus long suspension.

The guy is an idiot.

Thurman got suspended 2 years, and he was back in 2 years, not 2+ years.

 

[Doomsday101]

I hope Roger let's him do that and allows him to work out with the Cowboys. I realize he took that right away from him a couple of months ago... but now that some time has passed, I'm hoping he lets him work out with the team.

I think that's the first step in getting him reinstated.

"Goodell maintained his stance that the review on Jones will take place sometime before training camp."

I would think if Pacman stays out of any trouble and keeps a low profile that he will be reinstated before we hit training camp. Until then I don't see the league doing anything in regards to Pacman.

 

[khiladi]

The NFL has no business punishing players for allegations that haven't proven in a court of law.

 

[Doomsday101]

The NFL has no business punishing players for allegations that haven't proven in a court of law.

The league can set their own standards of expected behavior of its members. If they feel the behavior is a detriment to the league then they have every right to step in.

 

[AbeBeta]

Goodell said it would be a year long suspension, not a year plus long suspension.

The guy is an idiot.

Thurman got suspended 2 years, and he was back in 2 years, not 2+ years.

Who is the idiot now?

Thurman was suspended for 1 year. His reinstatement was denied and he had to sit out another year.

 

[joseephuss]

The NFL has no business punishing players for allegations that haven't proven in a court of law.

Pacman was punished in a court of law for a couple of his incidents.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why do I have the feeling that had Pacman been signed by the Commanders not too many would be crying over his suspension? :laugh2:

 

[firehawk350]

Precisely, lots of organizations do this, the military prominent among them. Anyone who has a clearance knows this. They don't need a jury to figure it out, just that you might have done it and they don't trust you.

Having said that, I think a glaring weakness in Goodell's stance is Belicheck for reasons already stated. However, I don't think Goodell's a racist as speculated. He suspended Wade Wilson far more disproportionately than anyone else.

 

[DBoys]

I am not a big fan of Goodell either. Engel is giving an opinion and I don't think it is close to what will happen. I wouldn't get too worked up over it. I honestly believe Pacman will be reinstated before training camp.

Spygate is much worse for the NFL than any player crimes combined in my opinion. Crimes are bad don't get me wrong but I don't think they are a reflection of the NFL but the player. Like saying an employee committs murder and it looks bad on his manager when the manager had nothing to do with it.

Then you have the Spygate stuff where coaches/staff knowingly broke the rules and won 3 Super Bowls. That damages the integrity of the game. The longer Goodell avoids exposing the Patriots the more damaging to the NFL. It is no different than Clinton lying about pot. If Clinton said I got high as a mofo nothing would of happened to him.

People like exposing liars and everyone is gunning to expose the Patriots. Considering the team doesn't have much integrity to begin with it will only be a matter of time before something really bad comes out about them.

 

[coach316]

What tarnishes the League and its reputation more? Belicheat's Spygate or Pacman's "Makin' it Rain"?

Let's see. Illegal taping of teams signals which MAY or MAY NOT have helped them win games.....or a repeat offender of the law who creates a situation in which someone is nearly murdered, paralyzed and has their quality of life stripped from them forever? In the grand scheme of things I value life a WHOLE lot more than I do a stupid game, even if it is the Super Bowl. Of which there has been no evidence (only speculation and hearsay) of wrongdoing during the Super Bowl. I'm going to have to give the nod to the latter on that question.

Pacman Jones had repeat run ins with the law. 12 I think is the number everyone seems to settling on. Jones suspension was indeed "earned" by his actions. The length of that suspension, which I've seen some of you question, I believe is in direct correlation to 1) repeat run ins with the law and 2) his lack of remorse and continued thumbing of his nose to the league. Evidenced by his visit to a strip club the night before his meeting with Goodell.

Some of you seem to think Goodell has inappropriately handled Spygate. Belicheat and the Patriots were dealt with swiftly and immediately, not after multiple infractions. Now I do think that the punishment should have included a suspension for Belicheat along with the fines and loss of draft choice, but that is hindsight.

No matter you like it or not, the actions of players, coaches and other NFL employees are accountable for their actions outside of their workplace. They are in the public spot light and are held to different standards when it comes to public image.

I, and I dare say most everyone reading this message board, don't have jobs that require us to be careful of our actions outside of the work place. Some jobs are in the public eye and employers require employees to adhere to a code of conduct outside the work place. The employees are made aware of this and are required to sign off on the conduct policy.

Sports figures, politicians, peace officers, public servants, clergy, news anchor/reporters are all jobs in the public eye, just to name a few. They all understand that their actions outside of their jobs can ultimately cost them their jobs. And they have to act accordingly. Michael Irvin losing his spot on ESPN comes to mind as an example. Traffic violation which allowed the finding of drug paraphernalia and an empty marijuana baggie under the seat. Typically not a major deal. But...Irvin had a history of this sort of thing and it cost him.

Bottom line, multiple infractions is a major factor in the handing out of disciplinary action. It shows either a complete lack of discipline and morals, or a willful and wanton disregard for authority. Either way it should be dealt with accordingly. Pacman has nobody to blame but himself. Anyone claiming racism de facto is doing so in ignorance.

Like it or not, this is the world we live in. Build a bridge and get over it.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Goodell said it would be a year long suspension, not a year plus long suspension.

The guy is an idiot.

Thurman got suspended 2 years, and he was back in 2 years, not 2+ years.

They are 'indefinite" suspensions depending on the how the player goes about his business. .

It works both ways. He shortened Tank's suspension for good behavior and taking care of his business. I didn't hear anyone here complaining that Goodell wasn't keeping his word and standing firm on full suspension then.

PacMan got clearance from Goodell to start working out with a team in December and looked like he was well on his way towards getting reinstated ... then he got caught in yet another stupid strip club incident, and had those rights revoked. If you want to blame someone, look at PacMan.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Pacman should just sue the league, because Goodell is a freakin' joke...

I agree...it's complete BS....the PAts can break every rule known to the NFL and no suspension is even contemplated....this guy makes it rain a few times and is suspended forever.

 

[sago1]

If Tucker's allegations that the Pats used their IR players in practice which is totally contrary to NFL rules can be confirmed, gotta wonder what if any punishment Goodell will hand out. It seems Pat player Troy Brown (?) and probably other Pat players have bought into Belicheat's view that everyone does it so it's okay for them to do it. Some of the Pats' players have played on other teams, gotta wonder what they thinking/saying behind the scenes when those incidents happened.

 

[AsthmaField]

"Goodell maintained his stance that the review on Jones will take place sometime before training camp."

I would think if Pacman stays out of any trouble and keeps a low profile that he will be reinstated before we hit training camp. Until then I don't see the league doing anything in regards to Pacman.

I understand that he won't be reinstated before July... but I'd think that Goodell might let him work out with the team until then.

If he's wondering how Pacman will act once he's been reinstated and is again a football player... then he needs to let pacman work out with his team like football players do.

Roger won't be committing to reinstating him, but simply letting him work out with his team in case he is reinstated.

 

[khiladi]

The league can set their own standards of expected behavior of its members. If they feel the behavior is a detriment to the league then they have every right to step in.

The league has no business dictating how a player spends his time outside of work. This is America where freedom is the operative word, or so they say. The only legitimate reason they have is if the player is under investigation for criminal activity.