Making or Keeping Cowboys Fans Happy

SDogo;3814541 said:
It's going to be one anyways and that's no fault of anyone here:(

That is true. And it will be even longer if there's no football next season.
And I don't think I was blaming anyone. If it seems that way, that wasn't what I was trying to say AT ALL.



I'm just going to try and appreciate the good contributions that are made here daily and try to ignore the rest.
 
stasheroo;3814545 said:
Check yourself.

You think it's your place to decide what's acceptable or what isn't, just like many others in here.

It's my place to recognize what it is realistic and what is not. Making a statement that predicts the future as fact is not realistic.

Bottom line is everyone has complaints, I dont agree with everything the Cowboys do but I'm able to find enjoyment from being a Cowboys fan. If you take a snap shot over the last month or so of every post he has made you will find 90% of them are somehow negative and derogatory towards the Cowboys.

What I dont understand is you have something in life that causes you so much misery and pain and you struggle to find anything positive to say about it why continue to let it engulf you?

I think many posters who are viewed as negative actually have informed and intelligent views and then there are the select few who have taken on the roll of drama queen and are so caught up in it that they are trapped in this stigma that does not allow them to create rational thoughts or opinions any more.
 
SDogo;3814559 said:
It's my place to recognize what it is realistic and what is not. Making a statement that predicts the future as fact is not realistic.

I'm glad that you think so.

Bottom line is everyone has complaints, I dont agree with everything the Cowboys do but I'm able to find enjoyment from being a Cowboys fan. If you take a snap shot over the last month or so of every post he has made you will find 90% of them are somehow negative and derogatory towards the Cowboys.

I can't blame him, this season was an absolute disaster. I've never been so disappointed in a team that entered the season as a Super Bowl contender and was out of it 6 weeks later. I can't criticize someone for being down after a season like this one. If I were to place blame, it would be on the folks who presided over the fiasco, not those unhappy with the results.

What I dont understand is you have something in life that causes you so much misery and pain and you struggle to find anything positive to say about it why continue to let it engulf you?

I think many posters who are viewed as negative actually have informed and intelligent views and then there are the select few who have taken on the roll of drama queen and are so caught up in it that they are trapped in this stigma that does not allow them to create rational thoughts or opinions any more.

I think the bottom line is that we all have different personalities and different opinions on things. Some are more positive, some more negative, but I don't think either way is wrong, just different.
 
stasheroo;3814565 said:
I can't blame him, this season was an absolute disaster. I've never been so disappointed in a team that entered the season as a Super Bowl contender and was out of it 6 weeks later. I can't criticize someone for being down after a season like this one. If I were to place blame, it would be on the folks who presided over the fiasco, not those unhappy with the results.

I cant blame him either, it was disappointing and some things were down right disgusting but as in life you have your ups and downs. It's absurd to think that it cant get better. That no matter what happens it's always going to suck.



stasheroo;3814565 said:
I think the bottom line is that we all have different personalities and different opinions on things. Some are more positive, some more negative, but I don't think either way is wrong, just different.

I'm not going to debate that, I have a slightly different take on it but in general, your right.

On a side note, I always get a kick out of the scene that unfolds when a fan from another team enters the Zone and criticizes the Cowboys. Even though they may be repeating what even the most negative poster says daily even that poster runs to the fight ready to pounce.:laugh2:
 
SDogo;3814559 said:
What I dont understand is you have something in life that causes you so much misery and pain and you struggle to find anything positive to say about it why continue to let it engulf you?
A bit of advice from someone who has tried this particular message board strategy in the past and failed miserably (oh! the irony!):

Posters have the fundamental right to be miserable. Even though it is not a necessity, some embrace misery--sometimes passionately. Consider not arguing its relevance. You may find yourself getting sucked down as well.



Then again, you can have peace of mind that company will be waiting for ya there! :laugh1:
 
DallasEast;3814586 said:
A bit of advice from someone who has tried this particular message board strategy in the past and failed miserably (oh! the irony!):

Posters have the fundamental right to be miserable. Even though it is not a necessity, some embrace misery--sometimes passionately. Consider not arguing its relevance. You may find yourself getting sucked down as well.



Then again, you can have peace of mind that company will be waiting for ya there! :laugh1:

Advice taken:bow::laugh2:
 
SDogo;3814581 said:
I cant blame him either, it was disappointing and some things were down right disgusting but as in life you have your ups and downs. It's absurd to think that it cant get better. That no matter what happens it's always going to suck.

Yeah, some of us are much more negative than others. I'm more negative than a lot of fans though I wish I wasn't.

I'm not going to debate that, I have a slightly different take on it but in general, your right.

On a side note, I always get a kick out of the scene that unfolds when a fan from another team enters the Zone and criticizes the Cowboys. Even though they may be repeating what even the most negative poster says daily even that poster runs to the fight ready to pounce.:laugh2:

It's nice to see we're all a brotherhood (and sisterhood!) in times like that.

It's like "I can pick on my little brother but don't let me ever catch you doing it!"

Warms the heart...
 
stasheroo;3814596 said:
It's like "I can pick on my little brother but don't let me ever catch you doing it!"

Warms the heart...

:laugh2: well said
 
I grew up in NY and really got into sports at an early age at 5 years old. But I'm talking *really* *got* *into* sports. Like my favorite toys being baseball (and football) cards. Reading NFL and MLB almanacs and stuff. I could barely read and do math, but I figured out things like what a good batting average is and if Joe Montana threw 3 times as many TD's as INT's, that's why he was so great.

By the time I was 12 years old, my dad would bring me down to the newstand at the local mall and buy me the DMN, which was usually 1-2 days late, so I could follow the Cowboys there and I always liked to read sports columnists (at that time, when guys were more like Blackie Sherrod and less like Bill Simmons)

Man, I thought there were some writers who were vicious in NY going after Steinbrenner and the Yanks. But these guys in Dallas made the NY Yankee beat writers look like they were sedated. And the letters from the fans, you'd think the Cowboys were the worst organization that ever possibly existed.

Eventually CowboysZone came along and I knew what to expect. Calvin Hill once said to the effect 'if we score 2 TD's in a quarter, they complain that we didn't score 3 TD's. If we score 3 TD's in a quarter, they complain that we didn't score 4 TD's. If we score 4 TD's in a quarter, they complain that we didn't score them in the fan's section of the end zone.'

Part of that is the appeal to me as a Cowboys fan. I think fans having high expectations is a good thing because typically the ownership has to comply with those high expectations.

However, we can't get too down on some of these fans. Hey, this team for the most part hasn't done jack since its last Super Bowl. And I'm not talking 'we haven't won a Lombardi since our last Super Bowl', I'm talking we can't even really come close to making the NFC Championship game, much less making the Super Bowl, much less winning a Lombardi type of jack squat.

Personally, I believe the process of going about to win a Lombardi is more important than anything else. If you get the process 'right', there's a great chance you will *not* win the Lombardi. But if you get the process right time after time, you've increased your chances and that to me is the best way to get another Lombardi.

A lot of it is luck though. Personally, I think the Patriots got lucky. They almost cut Brady for good at one point and had Bledsoe starting for them. Then Bledsoe gets injured...and Bledsoe pretty much never got injured in his career, and Brady turns into Lou Gehrig. And they cheated as well and when they got caught, the commissioner covered it up for them. As much as I didn't care that much for Tagliabue, I think he would've done more about it and would not have covered it up.

The Saints got lucky. No matter what they try to tell you, Drew Brees was going to be a Dolphin. But he didn't pass their physical and went to the Saints because that was his only option to be a starter. Furthermore, if he never suffered that labrum injury, there's a good chance the Chargers keep him and then trade him and the Saints probably could not make that trade or would not have been able to re-build their roster.

Then there's the Eagles. They draft Kolb and it really irks McNabb. They actually bench McNabb in '08 and try Kolb who is so bad that they immediately get McNabb back to starting. Then they trade McNabb and try to start Kolb again, over Vick and Kolb looks awful again and gets injured, so they are forced to start Vick who blossoms...but they had no intention of starting Vick over Kolb until Kolb got hurt.

We haven't been that lucky for the most part outside of Miles Austin. We took Romo from UDFA list, sat him and developed him for 4 years and we prepared for him to take over mid-season in 2006 with the thought that Bledsoe was done with. We were right about it in the end and because Romo was prepared to start, he turned into the QB he was today. Far cry from the Eagles, Pats and Saints, who basically made the wrong decision and were committed to that wrong decision and an injury happened and that turns everything around for them.

My hope is that we get lucky with Garrett. I don't think Jerry was sold on Garrett coming into this season and during the season when Wade was HC. But we were left with no choice but to fire Wade and make Garrett the interim coach and Garrett did a great job as interim coach. Maybe we get lucky and pull a similar situation with Garrett as the Saints did with Brees, the Pats did with Brady and the Eagles did with Vick. And if I could pull that stuff with a HC or a QB, I'd take the HC.







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Catastrophizing. Seeing only the worst possible outcome in everything. For example, your child might think that because he failed his algebra test he will get an F for the semester, everyone will know he’s stupid, the teacher will hate him, you will ground him, and moreover, he’ll never get into college, and on and on. No matter what soothing words or solutions you try to apply, he’ll insist that there’s no remedy.
Grandiosity. Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance or ability. For example, your child may fancy herself the all-time expert at soccer, and act as though everyone else should see and worship her fabulous skill as well. She may think she can run the classroom better than her “stupid” teacher, or feel that she should be equal in power to her parents or other adults.
“All or nothing” thinking. Being unable to see shades of gray in everyday life can lead to major misperceptions and even despair. A person who thinks only in black-and-white terms can’t comprehend small successes. He’s either an abject failure or a complete success, never simply on his way to doing better.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/identifying-irrational-thoughts/

I think these 3 apply best to certain posters.
 
Hostile;3814002 said:
I think I have finally figured this out. All the Cowboys need to do to make and/or keep the fans happy is the following.

1. Win every game by covering the point spreads no matter how big.

2. Hire only the best coaches and have them committed to this team with no desire to become a Head Coach or Coordinator somewhere else and still not a be a puppet to the GM somehow.

3. Draft Pro Bowl caliber players in every round and somehow manage to keep all of them despite future drafts where we acquire more Pro Bowl caliber players, Free Agency, and a salary cap.

4. If we somehow miss on a Pro Bowl draft pick, trade him to someone else for their Pro Bowl player who will play here for less money because when we fart little rainbows fly out of our bum.

5. Win every Super Bowl.

I am quite fond of saying "learn the game." I think I finally have. This is fun.

and there always must be a player everyone hates and wants to trade for the latest shiney object.
 
LatinMind;3814016 said:
Or just play smart. Ill take a loss like the Packers game where they just were outclassed over a loss like the Saints game where they just made mistakes anyday.

You're crazy. I'd rather be in every game than not have had a chance at all.
 
Hostile;3814002 said:
I think I have finally figured this out. All the Cowboys need to do to make and/or keep the fans happy is the following.

1. Win every game by covering the point spreads no matter how big.

2. Hire only the best coaches and have them committed to this team with no desire to become a Head Coach or Coordinator somewhere else and still not a be a puppet to the GM somehow.

3. Draft Pro Bowl caliber players in every round and somehow manage to keep all of them despite future drafts where we acquire more Pro Bowl caliber players, Free Agency, and a salary cap.

4. If we somehow miss on a Pro Bowl draft pick, trade him to someone else for their Pro Bowl player who will play here for less money because when we fart little rainbows fly out of our bum.

5. Win every Super Bowl.

I am quite fond of saying "learn the game." I think I finally have. This is fun.

Hos , I have been a fan since 1975 and I have learned that you are not going to win the SB every year.

My prespective of a successful year is this : Did the Team play up to their potential , whatever that may be ?

That is what made this last season so painful. Garrett showed that with the right coaching this team could win games.

It's a shame the GM did not recgonize this and make the needed HC change after the 44 to 6 disaster to the E-girls.
 
stasheroo;3814443 said:
The kool-aid drinkers stand directly opposite of the 'clueless crowd' who 'don't know the game' and have 'no idea what they're talking about' and just simply 'complain about everything'.

Paint using a broad brush on one side, you'd better use the same brush for the other.

Funny how everyone sees themselves in the fair, balanced, impartial crowd...

It sounds like we're in agreement that that it's a pointless and inaccurate description of what goes on, at least.

The thing is, it's not the case that there are two equal sides when it comes to how fans view the Cowboys. There are bright fans who understand that game and are either generally positive or generally negative about prospects.

Then there's a large orbit of fans who tend to be very young, or not very experienced, or not very committed who don't have much of a grasp of what's going on. This group tends to rubberband between thinking the team is all-world, and thinking it's awful. The problem is, whenever the team doesn't win it all, that unwashed horde spits vitriol, kicks their cat, and chews its own limbs in agony. And blames Jerry. It's this group that the positive fans react to. Because they're both clueless and annoying. And because there are many more years where the team doesn't win it all than there are years when it does. The smarter pessimists just happen to be standing next to them and wearing the same colored jerseys.
 
Idgit;3814689 said:
It sounds like we're in agreement that that it's a pointless and inaccurate description of what goes on, at least.

Most definitely.

The thing is, it's not the case that there are two equal sides when it comes to how fans view the Cowboys. There are bright fans who understand that game and are either generally positive or generally negative about prospects.

Then there's a large orbit of fans who tend to be very young, or not very experienced, or not very committed who don't have much of a grasp of what's going on. This group tends to rubberband between thinking the team is all-world, and thinking it's awful. The problem is, whenever the team doesn't win it all, that unwashed horde spits vitriol, kicks their cat, and chews its own limbs in agony. And blames Jerry. It's this group that the positive fans react to. Because they're both clueless and annoying. And because there are many more years where the team doesn't win it all than there are years when it does. The smarter pessimists just happen to be standing next to them and wearing the same colored jerseys.

Agreed again. And for the record, I like to think of myself as a 'smarter pessimist'.

My point is that there are so many varied opinions that they can't be neatly categorized and lumped in one bin or another. The broad brush approach never works.
 
:laugh2: The team hasn't played on championship weekend since 1995 and the homers act like some fans only accept perfection. It's laughable the depths some of you will go to defend Jerry Jones' mess.
 
Double Trouble;3814699 said:
:laugh2: The team hasn't played on championship weekend since 1995 and the homers act like some fans only accept perfection. It's laughable the depths some of you will go to defend Jerry Jones' mess.

Without fake strawmen to prop up and knock down, this place would go out of business.
 
Double Trouble;3814699 said:
:laugh2: The team hasn't played on championship weekend since 1995 and the homers act like some fans only accept perfection. It's laughable the depths some of you will go to defend Jerry Jones' mess.
What are examples of season ending results during the aforementioned period which would have been acceptable to you?
 

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