Marinelli wins again

[Terrancemcclain]

All of their 3T can play multiple positions. Crawford can do it but has been at end for 3 seasons. And by using that thought Collins is a 1T too and thus they carried 3. It started Paea and Price, then moved to Price, Ash and so on. If worse comes to worst then Collins will play 1T again. it's not like he was bad.

Price is now 6 months post-op. He will be 9 months when the season begins. Price was just signed to a 2 year deal in March. They must like his recovery.

Overall we have Price Ash and Ward as the depth chart.

Crawford has missed time with injury and has stated he doesn' t
like playing DT. Collins has injured his ankle twice.are you hundred percent certain
Price won' be effected by his injury or reinjured his knee? You count jihad ward as a asset but
We don' know what the cowboys have in ward.
All this arguing is pointless. At the end of the day the cowboys won' make roster decisions based on what we post here.I'm willing to admit i might be wrong .why don' t
We make a bet .if the cowboys run defense ranking has improved by seasons end , I'll post and admit I was wrong about the cowboys stance on defensive tackle.if it regresses , then you would post and admit you were wrong.are you interested?

 

[Whyjerry]

Another draft, another failure to put any real assets into the 1 Tech. Guess it will be Collins and Price.

But we took another low ceiling, high motor player in Armstrong, a quintessential Marinelli pick. Settle is sitting there and we take a decent but likely backup caliber DE prospect that plays hard.

I really don’t understand why this franchise fears or eschews putting even some decent assets into the DT spot.

Could not agree more. What's worse is that Collins was wasted at 1T last year. Clearly a better 3T. They had several shots at Tim Settle and thought better to go with guys that will be 3rd stringers on this team. Settle could have filled a huge roll.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Another draft, another failure to put any real assets into the 1 Tech. Guess it will be Collins and Price.

But we took another low ceiling, high motor player in Armstrong, a quintessential Marinelli pick. Settle is sitting there and we take a decent but likely backup caliber DE prospect that plays hard.

I really don’t understand why this franchise fears or eschews putting even some decent assets into the DT spot.

It is a big mystery. In my opinion this defense is one pro bowl type lineman and safety away from being a top unit. Of course holding your breath that Smith turns out and both young corners are good.

 

[BlindFaith]

I don't think that marinelli knows how to design modern coverage. The defense has struggled in coverage so i wanted to bring someone in who could. Now that we have Richard and I don't feel that coverage design is at issue.

At the same time I have at no point thought that Marinelli's scheme was at issue in run defense. Rod still remains a great developer of defensive talent.

Want to know who else I think is an underrated part of the defense? Stephen Paea, Brian Price, and Richard Ash. Hayden sucked because he could not anchor. Those guys can.

The way you guys carry on it would seem that the Dl was getting blown off the ball and our LBers were having to make gap reads with the los coming at them. That was not the case. Wilson, Smith, and Hitchens kept on filling the wrong gaps.

Fact is that 1T is a 2 down position. Might as well complain that we do not invest in SAM.

Hankins is still out there.

It's not that he doesn't know how. He knows every coverage, scheme, technique there is.

It's his ideology. Remember when Ryan was here? Jerry going on and on how his defense was too complicated and it took players too long to learn it.

Well, we now have a simple, risk adverse defense.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Crawford has missed time with injury and has stated he doesn' t
like playing DT. Collins has injured his ankle twice.are you hundred percent certain
Price won' be effected by his injury or reinjured his knee? You count jihad ward as a asset but
We don' know what the cowboys have in ward.
All this arguing is pointless. At the end of the day the cowboys won' make roster decisions based on what we post here.I'm willing to admit i might be wrong .why don' t
We make a bet .if the cowboys run defense ranking has improved by seasons end , I'll post and admit I was wrong about the cowboys stance on defensive tackle.if it regresses , then you would post and admit you were wrong.are you interested?

Who said that what we say influences anything?

At the end of the day we have Price, Ash, and Ward to play 1T. It's more than we have at SAM which is of similar significance.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's not that he doesn't know how. He knows every coverage, scheme, technique there is.

It's his ideology. Remember when Ryan was here? Jerry going on and on how his defense was too complicated and it took players too long to learn it.

Well, we now have a simple, risk adverse defense.

it's one thing to "know" them and quite another to know how to deploy them, teach all the reads and techniques in practice, and use/adjust in games. He has had a coverage coordinator his entire time here as coordinator.

And it's been alternately simple and more complex given the coverage coordinator. Under henderson we ran man, cover 2 and cover 3. He also picks his spots to blitz more; he just doesn't do it all the time.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Could not agree more. What's worse is that Collins was wasted at 1T last year. Clearly a better 3T. They had several shots at Tim Settle and thought better to go with guys that will be 3rd stringers on this team. Settle could have filled a huge roll.

Settle and other day 3 picks are not better than what we have.

 

[BlindFaith]

it's one thing to "know" them and quite another to know how to deploy them, teach all the reads and techniques in practice, and use/adjust in games. He has had a coverage coordinator his entire time here as coordinator.

And it's been alternately simple and more complex given the coverage coordinator. Under henderson we ran man, cover 2 and cover 3. He also picks his spots to blitz more; he just doesn't do it all the time.

There is more to defense than simple coverage scheme. There are plays and responsibilities, keys etc. Defenses can be very complex.

He doesn't blitz at all really. He is very much the bend but don't break guy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There is more to defense than simple coverage scheme. There are plays and responsibilities, keys etc. Defenses can be very complex.

He doesn't blitz at all really. He is very much the bend but don't break guy.

There have been a couple of games where he blitzes more each year. Sturm points it out in his breakdowns.

 

[beware_d-ware]

It is a big mystery. In my opinion this defense is one pro bowl type lineman and safety away from being a top unit. Of course holding your breath that Smith turns out and both young corners are good.

When we had Irving, D-Law, Lee and Hitch all going, I actually thought this defense looked pretty freaking good. Our pass rush was the best we'd had in a decade and the LBs were just cleaning up everything. Of course, when we lost 3 out of 4 of those guys then the defense was just a dumpster fire.

If LVE can replace Hitch and Irving keeps his head on straight, this unit could surprise some people.

 

[BlindFaith]

There have been a couple of games where he blitzes more each year. Sturm points it out in his breakdowns.

I don't need Sturm to tell me that we do or don't blitz much.

And hey, I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing. This team isn't built around the defense. Keep em under 20 and rely on the offense to put up 21.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't need Sturm to tell me that we do or don't blitz much.

And hey, I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad thing. This team isn't built around the defense. Keep em under 20 and rely on the offense to put up 21.

The DL play was good last year. Maybe not as good as Philly but up there. The front 7 could be good as well. Controlling the los goes a long way.

We have corners. I really only don't like the talent at S unless Woods or Frazier can step up. Heath makes plays.

 

[BlindFaith]

The DL play was good last year. Maybe not as good as Philly but up there. The front 7 could be good as well. Controlling the los goes a long way.

We have corners. I really only don't like the talent at S unless Woods or Frazier can step up. Heath makes plays.

I agree. I think this D will surprise people this year, in a good way.

 

[sdfidaho]

That was Lacewells doing. Not Brandt.

Larry Lacewell...The darkest of days in Cowboys drafting history

 

[MikeT22]

how many times do we have to go over this, the cowboys do not value having a 1 tech in their scheme....if they did they would have drafted one many times over.....

you are saying the same thing that is being said in other threads and is said every year. Why cant you come to the realization, they dont value one and are not going to do what you want them to.

Or maybe it's the Cowboys that should come to the realization that they are undervaluing a valuable position.

Just like in the last 15 we've only drafted 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds of the draft (Dez and TWill). And then we wonder why we suddenly have a major need at WR and have to sign/draft/trade for as many receivers as we can in one year.

Some want to always give the team the benefit of the doubt but there's a reason we've only won 2 playoff games in over 20 years.

 

[dsturgeon]

Because at some point reality should set in for this franchise and our GMs have to stop cowtailong to the whims of a DC that likely has a short shelf life.

When Rod took over they pulled multiple guys off their couches to make a defensive roster, and they had just switched from a 3-4. In 4 years they have remade the entire roster. Each year they have improved, and they are very close to a quality defense with some depth. He has gotten no names to play to their potential.

 

[Verdict]

If they don't value 1-tech, why did they move Collins there to essentially waste his talent? Do they not value Collins? They drafted him in the 3rd round and he won the starting job as a rookie. They should keep Collins at 3-tech and put any old scrub at 1-tech since they don't value the position at all.

It's hard to argue against that point. Why not just line up an orange traffic cone there in that spot??

 

[dsturgeon]

I get how you guys want a value pick or value free agent on the 1 tech, but I dont get why you guys cry so much about it. The run defense has been really good the last few years, and there is now a good rotation, and the sacks are starting to come.

 

[Terrancemcclain]

Who said that what we say influences anything?

At the end of the day we have Price, Ash, and Ward to play 1T. It's more than we have at SAM which is of similar significance.

So what about the bet I offered? Are you interested

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So what about the bet I offered? Are you interested

How about we just talk about the games as they happen and discuss how the 1T plays? If they are problematic, I don't have an issue admitting to it. I just think Price and Ash were fine last season.