Mario Williams could be our Dware

[PJTHEDOORS]

Carolinas secondary was deemed terrible last year. A year can change a lot. Draft Ramsey , scandrick back and jones flourishes into who this team thought he was ....watch out lol .

lol. Carolina was bad as Dallas?

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

As long as you're talking about paying elite players though, why not go after the guy who is younger and has no question marks? Yeah, Vernon is going to cost more, but at least you're paying for future production instead of past production.

I would rather have Vernon too. Of course he's younger , and has a bright future. But Miami has stated they'll probably franchise him. I don't think Mario Williams has question marks . He's an established Pro Bowler in this league with nearly 100 sacks. We'll agree to disagree lol no one will win this argument .

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

lol. Carolina was bad as Dallas?

They were pretty bad. Let me ask you this who's secondary was better in 2014? And has the personnel really changed that much? NFL is year to year . Get scandrick back , draft a DB high , develop jones and like I said watch out.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

They were pretty bad. Let me ask you this who's secondary was better in 2014? And has the personnel really changed that much?

I'm guessing no where bad as ours. We have NO playmakers. Period. And getting Scandrick back doesn't change that.

 

[texbumthelife]

Ok if you haven't seen the pics by now or listened to the police calls (with Hardy ) it's late. It doesn't matter he won't be here next season.

So now you're going to dispute that Mcclain hasn't shown glimpses of greatness ? I think he was a huge part of why we were 12-4 and he was more than solid in the last half of last year. It seems you have a problem with guys personalities ? This team the Cowboys has a history of taking chances on guys and signing controversial athletes . Thomas Henderson , Irvin , Owens , leaf , spillman , underwood , sanders , Haley , Mcclain , Gregory that's just a few .

I don't care to like a player for their personality I just care what they produce on the field. The Cowboys always have 2-3 crazies on the roster

I am not going to dispute anything. I am going to tell you, unequivocally that no, McClain has not shown "glimpses of greatness." Greatness can not be measured in a hand-full of plays a season, between stretches of looking completely lackadaisical. He hasn't looked better than ok for any stretch of time since he has been here. We were 12-4 because we had one of, if not the best offense in the league and a defense that was creating turnovers.

I am ok with guys with personality issues as long as they love the game and play balls out for their team. I loved Charles Haley. Hell, I was happy with the Tank signing. You just happen to have picked out two guys who I don't trust and who have shown they will put themselves before the team.

Out of all the guys you listed as having personality issues, one (maybe two) of those guys ever showed anything but love for the game. None of them every quit on their team and teammates. Some of them (Irvin) never had issues anywhere else. Gregory, according to his teammates and coaches was a tremendous worker and an excellent teammate.

Underwood had psychiatric issues, for god's sake. I won't even argue him.

Also, it was Alonso Spellman.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

He may have only missed one game, but the guy is constantly pulling himself out or grabbing at something. He also has one of the most inconsistent motors in the game. You're right, I don't like Mario Williams, for this team. He's an "over the hump" player and this team is definitely more than one DE away from a Super Bowl--look what adding Hardy did...

I didn't know that if we signed Williams that we wouldn't be allowed any other moves. That's a bummer.

 

[rockj7]

Williams is going to be released soon. He's verbally stated that he isn't a fit for Rex Ryan's defense and the Bills have said they will release him.He says he will play with a chip on his shoulder next year . He is 31 years old but he is still one of the best 4-3 DE in the game. He brings a nastiness to him,he is outstanding vs the run, and he will grab double digit sacks. I would offer him 3 years 30 million dollars. It's the perfect contract because Lawrence and Gregory will both be in their prime and we won't miss a beat after he retires.

Jerry is going to spend big this offseason . He's going to grab a top CB in free agency , a DT , and possibly a safety . But this is the guy I want. Would be an excellent mentor for Gregory and Dlaw . Veteran DE's have worked before. Reggie White to GB/Haley to Dallas/ Ware to Denver . They all ended up with championships ! He'll be our Reggie white /dware with that leadership and pass rush and help bring Romo a championship.

ok next questions Who is our safety opposit BJ who are our CB who is our Von Miller who is our DT 1 tech who is our 2nd RB and 2nd WR and who is our back up QB I bring that up because we are not 1 player away

 

[gmoney112]

Maybe they'll screw up and only tender him at the second round pick rate

You never know though. It's a new coach and they have A LOT of holes. He may want to spend that money other places.

You know, I was curious and did some digging. Miami currently is right at the projected cap.

They took Coples 5th year option which costs them around 8 mill IF they keep him until the league year begins. They also have Suh and Wake. Combined those 3 guys account for almost 40 mill in the front 7.

That's crazy. I'm not sure the reasoning of taking Coples option if the franchise tag was in play. It looks like they're hedging their bets in case a contract can't get worked out.

If Vernon hit the open market he'd get an insane contract.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I am not going to dispute anything. I am going to tell you, unequivocally that no, McClain has not shown "glimpses of greatness." Greatness can not be measured in a hand-full of plays a season, between stretches of looking completely lackadaisical. He hasn't looked better than ok for any stretch of time since he has been here. We were 12-4 because we had one of, if not the best offense in the league and a defense that was creating turnovers.

I am ok with guys with personality issues as long as they love the game and play balls out for their team. I loved Charles Haley. Hell, I was happy with the Tank signing. You just happen to have picked out two guys who I don't trust and who have shown they will put themselves before the team.

Out of all the guys you listed as having personality issues, one (maybe two) of those guys ever showed anything but love for the game. None of them every quit on their team and teammates. Some of them (Irvin) never had issues anywhere else. Gregory, according to his teammates and coaches was a tremendous worker and an excellent teammate.

Underwood had psychiatric issues, for god's sake. I won't even argue him.

Also, it was Alonso Spellman.

I saw Mcclain going "balls out " he was a top 3 MLB in 2014. He is still only 26 years old and the guy can be absolutely great. He has absolutely shown glimpses of dominance. You can't have a perfect 53 guys anymore. Lots of these guys grew up in bad environments growing up etc. I've seen Dez go half speed this year and no one says anything about him. Maybe he was hurt but he was pouting crying for the football then going nuts after he was dropping passes. Vs the bucs and jets Dez may have gave those games away. Did he "quit" on the team by not playing the last game vs the Commanders ? How about Lee pulling himself off and staying inactive ? Now I'm starting to question if this entire team quit last year.

I mean I just don't see why you're calling Mario Williams a quitter . He's awfully productive for a quitter . I also consider the environment in buffalo . They haven't been to the playoffs in forever I wouldn't blame him for being pissed watching his own career going to waste while he is dominating.

 

[texbumthelife]

You know, I was curious and did some digging. Miami currently is right at the projected cap.

They took Coples 5th year option which costs them around 8 mill IF they keep him until the league year begins. They also have Suh and Wake. Combined those 3 guys account for almost 40 mill in the front 7.

That's crazy. I'm not sure the reasoning of taking Coples option if the franchise tag was in play. It looks like they're hedging their bets in case a contract can't get worked out.

If Vernon hit the open market he'd get an insane contract.

I could see them cutting Wake. He's getting up there and he really seemed to fade down the stretch.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

ok next questions Who is our safety opposit BJ who are our CB who is our Von Miller who is our DT 1 tech who is our 2nd RB and 2nd WR and who is our back up QB I bring that up because we are not 1 player away

Did anyone say we are only signing 1 player?

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I could see them cutting Wake. He's getting up there and he really seemed to fade down the stretch.

I'd be interested in him too for 2-3 years. He's a great football player.

 

[gmoney112]

I could see them cutting Wake. He's getting up there and he really seemed to fade down the stretch.

I read the dead money wrong. Yep. That's exactly what they'll do. Too bad.

 

[texbumthelife]

I saw Mcclain going "balls out " he was a top 3 MLB in 2014.

I'll admit, it was painfully difficult to read past this part because it's just nonsense, but I made it through.

As I said, I don't have any problem with character concerns from players, so you can quit playing that ridiculous argument. I already made clear my issue with McClain and Williams.

I mean I just don't see why you're calling Mario Williams a quitter . He's awfully productive for a quitter . I also consider the environment in buffalo . They haven't been to the playoffs in forever I wouldn't blame him for being pissed watching his own career going to waste while he is dominating.

He was awfully productive? Really? 5 sacks and 19 tackles in 15 games is "awfully productive"? I say he quit based on several quotes from teammates, based on watching the games and seeing him give up.

Just like with McClain, I actually watch the games. I've seen every game and every game's All-22 for the past three seasons. I base my opinions on every outlet, not just one.

We'll agree to disagree lol no one will win this argument .

We can agree to disagree on the impact Williams would have on this team, I have no problem with that.

 

[Hardline]

Yea well if the Eagles get him we are in trouble . You can't say you would NOT be nervous when playing their Dline if they add him.

Williams-cox - Logan -barwin-curry- graham , Would easily give the Eagles the best DL in our division.

They already have the best DL in the division.

 

[texbumthelife]

I'd be interested in him too for 2-3 years. He's a great football player.

I think if he can get into a position where he is used more on a rotational basis, he could still have some good impact. He is 34 though and looked a step slower in 2015, though he did finish the season better than he started. Maybe we could combine him with Hardy and get one great season between the two

 

[texbumthelife]

They already have the best DL in the division.

Luckily for us they may have the worst LB core in the league (when Beason is out).

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Luckily for us they may have the worst LB core in the league (when Beason is out).

Are you confusing them with the Giants sir ? Beason plays for the Giants doesn't he? The Eagles Lbs are Alonso and Kendricks they're pretty solid at LB.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

I'll admit, it was painfully difficult to read past this part because it's just nonsense, but I made it through.

In 2014 I think only Kuechly and Wagner were better MLB than McClain. It's just my opinion I watch a ton of football.

As I said, I don't have any problem with character concerns from players, so you can quit playing that ridiculous argument. I already made clear my issue with McClain and Williams.

He was awfully productive? Really? 5 sacks and 19 tackles in 15 games is "awfully productive"? I say he quit based on several quotes from teammates, based on watching the games and seeing him give up.

You know I wasn't basing it off just last season. I've stated several times in this thread when in the right scheme he's dominant. It's okay you don't like the player. Chances are we won't sign him. I would just hate if the Eagles do though .

Just like with McClain, I actually watch the games. I've seen every game and every game's All-22 for the past three seasons. I base my opinions on every outlet, not just one.



We can agree to disagree on the impact Williams would have on this team, I have no problem with that.

In 2014 I think only Kuechly and Wagner were better MLB than McClain. It's just my opinion I watch a ton of football. That's where I leave that. If he wasn't great we would have never re-signed him the following season(and Jerry knew he would be suspended ) and they still signed him.

Yes we will agree to disagree here

 

[texbumthelife]

Are you confusing them with the Giants sir ? Beason plays for the Giants doesn't he? The Eagles Lbs are Alonso and Kendricks they're pretty solid at LB.

Yeah I'm an idiot. I was bouncing between posts.