Marion Barber=Troy Hambrick

[iceberg]

I've made a good argument for it. Sorry that some of you are in denial and still see the same MB from 2 years ago. Just look at Barbers last few games they've been Hambrick like...FACT! If some of you want to spin it that I'm saying Barber has been nothing but another Troy Hambrick then you really need to work on your comprehension skills. I'm pointing out what Barber is looking like "now" as in the last few games. The Last few games he's been like watching Troy Hambrick all over again from the stumbling in the open field to the hesitating and dancing around on 3rd and 4th and a yard.

(the whole free world reading this "argument") giggle
(you) that's good stuff!

when the entire free world reading this 'argument' takes a minute to giggle in your direction, it's usually not for good reasons.

 

[DallasEast]

I've made a good argument for it. Sorry that some of you are in denial and still see the same MB from 2 years ago. Just look at Barbers last few games they've been Hambrick like...FACT!

If this were 2003 and both players (Barber right now and Hambrick from that season) were on the same roster, Parcells wouldn't have batted an eyelash starting Barber over Hambrick. Opinion? Sure, but both of our respective comments are exactly that.

 

[DEZBRYANT x88x]

I was watching the replay of Romos( the play) against St. Louis in '07. Barber looks so much thinner than he does now. Dont know if its his weight or just hes gotten stronger. But there is a huge difference in his style from 2 years ago.

 

[KJJ]

If I replaced every time you said "Barber" with "Adrian Peterson" in this post, it would have been almost 100% as factually accurate, and yet every bit as wrong in its ultimate conclusions.

How much of Felix's exceptional productivity is owed to Barber's carries? How does he contribute to pass blocking? How much can you really draw from a 4-game span, especially one beginning essentially when your best run blocker was lost for the season?

Dude Adrian Peterson has over 1300 yards rushing this season and 17 TD's. Even in his last few games he's had 97 and 94 yards and scored 5 TD's. He's had some problems lately but who would you rather have starting Peterson or Barber?..NUFF SAID! LOL Barber has had ONE 100 yard game all season. He's had one game all year where he looked impressive and that was against the Giants in week 2. His numbers for a starting RB are very average. He doesn't provide us with a homerun threat and now he's looking bad in short yardage. I think both Choice and Felix bring alot more to the table as feature backs than Barber does. Both Choice and Felix are quick, shifty, have good vision and can get outside, plus Felix can take it to the house from anywhere on the field. Barber has a role but NOT as a feature back.

 

[zrinkill]

This is getting sad.

:laugh1:

 

[KJJ]

If this were 2003 and both players (Barber right now and Hambrick from that season) were on the same roster, Parcells wouldn't have batted an eyelash starting Barber over Hambrick. Opinion? Sure, but both of our respective comments are exactly that.

If Parcells had a Felix Jones he wouldn't have started Hambrick or Barber. Hell Parcells started Julius Jones over Barber. Even Parcells knew what role best suited Barber.

 

[DallasEast]

If Parcells had a Felix Jones he wouldn't have started Hambrick or Barber. Hell Parcells started Julius Jones over Barber. Even Parcells knew what role best suited Barber.

Is your thread about Felix Jones or Julius Jones or is it "Marion Barber = Troy Hambrick"

 

[KJJ]

so this is why bloggers use the RETURN key a lot....

my eyes hurt. if i actually read all this, my brain would too.

You might try picking up a copy of "Hooked On Phonics" that might help. :toast:

 

[KJJ]

Is your thread about Felix Jones or Julius Jones or is it "Marion Barber = Troy Hambrick"

You're confused? Try reading the title of the thread. No wonder some here can't seem to make sense out of anything.

 

[KJJ]

here is what i see. barber still tries to pound but instead of bouncing off the hits like he use to, he seems to fall down now. he goes down on initial contact and a lot time he does fall foward for a yard to two more but he no longer sustains his runs after contact. not good.

You hit the nail right on the head with that one.

 

[iceberg]

You might try picking up a copy of "Hooked On Phonics" that might help. :toast:

you tell me what phonics has to do with run on paragraphs and i'll give it a thought.

title of thread - marion barber = troy hambrick.

you backing up later saying "well i mean now" really just shows off your prized membreship to the annual fools convention.

like i said from the start - you went all extreme to try and make a point and went overboard. that alone wasn't that big a deal.

now you're just trying to make a last minute sale of the titanic.

 

[Sarge]

This thread needs to get back on track or it's going to be closed.

 

[DallasEast]

so this is why bloggers use the RETURN key a lot....

my eyes hurt. if i actually read all this, my brain would too.

You might try picking up a copy of "Hooked On Phonics" that might help. :toast:

... waitasec on the phonics idea. Let's see...

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/quotepic.png

... I can make out one pirate ship.

No. Make that two...

 

[Shinywalrus]

Dude Adrian Peterson has over 1300 yards rushing this season and 17 TD's. Even in his last few games he's had 97 and 94 yards and scored 5 TD's. He's had some problems lately but who would you rather have starting Peterson or Barber?..NUFF SAID! LOL Barber has had ONE 100 yard game all season. He's had one game all year where he looked impressive and that was against the Giants in week 2. His numbers for a starting RB are very average. He doesn't provide us with a homerun threat and now he's looking bad in short yardage. I think both Choice and Felix bring alot more to the table as feature backs than Barber does. Both Choice and Felix are quick, shifty, have good vision and can get outside, plus Felix can take it to the house from anywhere on the field. Barber has a role but NOT as a feature back.

Lord almighty. My point wasn't that Barber is better than Peterson, which is absurd, but that making an argument about Barber being Hambrick-like based on a 4 game skid that looks pretty damned similar in per-play efficiency to a skid by a superior back like AD is pretty shaky logic.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The guy looks so much better as the game goes on. He needs to get his carries in the 2nd half.

Yes. Is it just me or are they starting lower the carry number for him in first half now?

My main concern with Barber is how he's easily tackled now by a one defender. He was one of the hardest people to tackle in the open field but I've seen single DB tackle him with ease this year several times.

If he was coming in after half time and in 4th he would be more effective. The guys playing the whole game dont want to tackle or get in front of a fresh Barber.

Barber was more effective coming off the bench and still would be - it suits his style of running. But........they're paying him too much money now so he will continue to start (much like RW).

Yep. Barber is about quality production NOT quantity. It was never about that with him.


Hope we get back to that. Marion the Closer.

 

[lockster]

Way way too slow taking off!

 

[KJJ]

you tell me what phonics has to do with run on paragraphs and i'll give it a thought.

title of thread - marion barber = troy hambrick.

you backing up later saying "well i mean now" really just shows off your prized membreship to the annual fools convention.

like i said from the start - you went all extreme to try and make a point and went overboard. that alone wasn't that big a deal.

now you're just trying to make a last minute sale of the titanic.

You claimed it's making your brain hurt. Maybe what hurts is hearing the truth about a player who was once a terrific player but has now been reduced to a mere shell of his former self. What I'm saying shouldn't be that hard to comprehend for anyone who's been watching the team for the last decade. I'm not going back on anything I said from the beginning of this thread. All I've done is elaborate for those who are still scratching their heads thinking I'm saying Barber has always been Hambrick. Anyone who can read and comprehend can see that my comments comparing Barber to Hambrick have to do with Barbers "recent" play.

I haven't gone overboard on anything I've had to be very thorough for those who are slow or those who still think Barber is the Barbarian. There hasn't been any last minute changes to what I've been saying. I've been saying the same thing from the beginning some either can't comprehend or they can't accept my brutal honesty. I don't come here to sugarcoat anything. I've made everything I've said as clear as can be and if you still don't understand that's your problem and if you don't agree that's your opinion. Not everyone is going to see things the same way we all have our opinions.

 

[Thomas82]

Hambrick had some of his best games against the Commanders, for whatever that's worth. Seems I remember him having a 150+ yard game, or close to it, against them?

Still, I'll take Barber at his worst over "What do voluntary mean?" boy.

That was actually his brother Darren that said that.

 

[Thomas82]

Felix Jones could be doing what Chris Johnson is doing if he got the opportunity.

I thought I was the only one who felt that way.

 

[KJJ]

Lord almighty. My point wasn't that Barber is better than Peterson, which is absurd, but that making an argument about Barber being Hambrick-like based on a 4 game skid that looks pretty damned similar in per-play efficiency to a skid by a superior back like AD is pretty shaky logic.

Barber has had "several" games dating back to last season where he's looked Hambrick like. In 08 he averaged 3.7 a carry which was only slightly better than Hambricks 3.5 a carry the one season he was the starter. Barber had 3 games last season where he averaged under 3 yards a carry and this was before he injured his pinky toe. I think most on this board would agree the Cowboys are not getting alot of bang out of their buck from Barber. He's being paid like a franchise back and he's anything but a franchise back. Let's be real the Cowboys would have been much better off trading Barber and drafting Mendenhall a couple of years ago if they were looking for a feature back who could carry the load. Mendenhall gives you what Barber use to give us and with alot more speed. Mendenhall took over as the starter in Pittsburgh during the season and has over a 1000 yards and is averaging 4.6 a carry. How many here wouldn't take him over Barber right now? Even when Barber was at his best 2 years ago he wasn't worth the type of money Jerry paid him.