Martin's fines are over 500K so far

[Flamma]

That was my point.

My bad. I just reread your post.

 

[Buzzbait]

The irony of this all is he wants to be paid more money but just literally threw 500k away and counting. Make it make sense?

Exactly. Half a mil and counting! SMH.

 

[KingCorcoran]

They just add it to the contract.

So, Jerry, planning to give Martin a new deal, is going to wait to do it so he can pay out even more money to cover Martin’s fines. That sounds like something Jerry Jones would do.

 

[Buzzbait]

This is why I am annoyed by these players crying over money.

Exactly. Throwing 1/2 a mil down the toilet and crying over money at the same time.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Both the team and the player know that a seven-year deal isn't a seven-year deal. It's a three- or four-year deal that the player lets be longer because it gives the team flexibility for spreading out bonuses and restructuring purposes.

This is only Martin's third year to count more than $10 million against the cap since signing his deal. His deal was very team friendly. Compare it to the four-year deal that Prescott signed. He has counted at least $17 million each year of the deal because the team had nowhere to push the money. It put two void years on the end just to be able to spread out some of the hit, but, of course, having just void years mean the Cowboys have to do something with his contract next year because they can't restructure it anymore. Most likely that means an extension since he is set to cost $59 million against the cap.

Martin could have been like Dak and only accepted a four-year deal with void years. Then the team would have been forced to redo his deal this year instead of Martin trying to force them to do what's right.

That’s what he should’ve did. Took a 4 year deal that way he can always be the highest paid guard.

 

[Buzzbait]

OK let me restate.

It will be forgiven in the form of an incentive payment he is easy to receive.

Bottom line is he ultimately won't be out this fine money he is accumulating by making it back this season.

Hope that makes sense.

The guy is what, 32 years old? At what age does a RG cease to be worth multiple millions of dollars?

 

[gimmesix]

That’s what he should’ve did. Took a 4 year deal that way he can always be the highest paid guard.

So he should have made it harder on the team to make other moves back then instead of asking to be compensated now for making it easier on the team back then?

 

[gimmesix]

The guy is what, 32 years old? At what age does a RG cease to be worth multiple millions of dollars?

Probably at least 35, but could be a year to three after that. Interior linemen can play a long time.

 

[KingCorcoran]

So he should have made it harder on the team to make other moves back then instead of asking to be compensated now for making it easier on the team back then?

In retrospect, yes. If the team didn’t like it they could have said no. They came to an agreement. Now they’re saying no.

 

[john van brocklin]

this may not end well. Have to admit, Jerry's attitude about is surprising, to me at least. He normally keeps his future HOFers happy.........

Hard to feel sorry for millionaires and billionaires fueding over money.......

 

[Buzzbait]

But it is low.

He will sit the season before playing for nothing.

That's the problem with paying a huge amount so early like that, it erases incentive!

 

[gimmesix]

In retrospect, yes. If the team didn’t like it they could have said no. They came to an agreement. Now they’re saying no.

But this is what the salary cap is all about. Players do team-friendly deals to help the team fit everyone under the cap. The way some of you look at it, the player should just accept a one- or two-year deal (or make the team franchise them) because they would maximize their pay. Martin's deal was six years, $84 million. That's an APY of $14 million. Only once has he made that amount, and that's because the team decided it didn't need to use an automatic restructure that year.

Martin is underpaid because he did the right thing for the team by taking a six-year extension instead of insisting on a smaller one that would have hurt the team more capwise while allowing him to get back on the market while he could draw a top guard deal. The team should reward him for his loyalty and redo his deal. And the thing is that it could do that and probably still save money against the cap for the next two years.

 

[Buzzbait]

Honestly, F Martin in this. We front loaded the crap out of his contract like he wanted and now he is being selfish and greedy.

Yup. They handed him all that money and now he's using it against the Cowboys for personal advantage.
I didn't think Martin was that kind of guy.

 

[gimmesix]

Yup. They handed him all that money and now he's using it against the Cowboys for personal advantage.
I didn't think Martin was that kind of guy.

His deal was not front-loaded at all. He only made more than $9.5 million once in the first four years, and Dallas could have done an automatic restructure and lowered the hit that year.

 

[Buzzbait]

I have a feeling this one will work its way out...he strikes me as a cowboy and doesn't want to miss the season
...bet they come to terms before game 1

I used to think that anyway.

 

[KingCorcoran]

But this is what the salary cap is all about. Players do team-friendly deals to help the team fit everyone under the cap. The way some of you look at it, the player should just accept a one- or two-year deal (or make the team franchise them) because they would maximize their pay. Martin's deal was six years, $84 million. That's an APY of $14 million. Only once has he made that amount, and that's because the team decided it didn't need to use an automatic restructure that year.

Martin is underpaid because he did the right thing for the team by taking a six-year extension instead of insisting on a smaller one that would have hurt the team more capwise while allowing him to get back on the market while he could draw a top guard deal. The team should reward him for his loyalty and redo his deal. And the thing is that it could do that and probably still save money against the cap for the next two years.

He wanted to be the highest paid guard in the NFL and wanted the security of a long term contract. The Cowboys offered him just that. I don’t know how that’s “team friendly“, but OK.

 

[Flamma]

He wanted to be the highest paid guard in the NFL and wanted the security of a long term contract. The Cowboys offered him just that. I don’t know how that’s “team friendly“, but OK.

Towards the back end of a long contract, and provided you're still playing at a high level, you'll be making less than top market value for your position. Mahomes is a good example of exactly that. He took what, 40-45M a year for 10 years? Who knows how much QBs will be signing for 5-6 years down the road. But he'll be making way less than them. That's considered team friendly.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So he should have made it harder on the team to make other moves back then instead of asking to be compensated now for making it easier on the team back then?

What’s the objective here? To help the team or help himself?

 

[KingCorcoran]

Towards the back end of a long contract, and provided you're still playing at a high level, you'll be making less than top market value for your position. Mahomes is a good example of exactly that. He took what, 40-45M a year for 10 years? Who knows how much QBs will be signing for 5-6 years down the road. But he'll be making way less than them. That's considered team friendly.

If Martin’s intent was to sign a ”team friendly“ deal he should be pleased. It is. Philly’s top interior offensive lineman entering his 13th season, might go to the HoF, all of his contracts combined don’t add up to $84 million. In Martin’s case, Jerry has not been a cheapskate. And centers are arguably more critical than right guards.

 

[Buzzbait]

Towards the back end of a long contract, and provided you're still playing at a high level, you'll be making less than top market value for your position. Mahomes is a good example of exactly that. He took what, 40-45M a year for 10 years? Who knows how much QBs will be signing for 5-6 years down the road. But he'll be making way less than them. That's considered team friendly.

Funny how a guy could be earning more than he could ever use and then some, but his biggest concern is how much is somebody else going to get?