Matt Jones Video of his QB play back in Arkansas

[Stash]

I'll take a flier on him but boy it sounds like you blame everyone for Matt Jones lack of success to date on everyone but Matt Jones. This is football.

Not at all. Jones has his share of blame, I'm just not letting the Jags off the hook either.

All that matters is production. And he hasnt produced at a high level. Unless you compare him to other busts.

Like Alvin Harper?

Or the names I listed above who had less TD's at the same point in their respective careers?

Not sure how ending in the coaches dog house enhances your argument.

It illustrates that it wasn't a good situation conducive to productivity - for whatever reasons.

The Jaguars seem to have their own example of a guy who looks to be thriving with a change of scenery in Troy Williamson.

 

[Stash]

what makes you think it's going to change when he has to learn a whole, 'nother system

while he's still developing?

Ray Sherman is a great coach, but he's not a miracle-worker

Even if absolutely nothing changed, the guy still put up 13 TD's over 3 years. He still had more production than Crayton did, despite being this 'stiff' who was 'lazy' and 'didn't work'. Even if he's the same guy, he's this team's #3 receiver because he's shown more than anyone but Owens or Crayton.

Take a look at the past coaches a guy making a complete position switch has had. Not much.

Ray Sherman has a great resume, he's worked with some of the greatest ever. I have faith in him.

so...

he's still bad

How, explain yourself?

How is a guy who puts up better numbers somehow worse?

 

[dooomsday]

As long as he's in Jacksonville it does.

But again, his TD numbers are still better.....

Both starting WRs Williams and Wiflord probably had their best all around years last season. And after Northcutt joined the team he had his best year since 04. Jones is the only guy who had a problem with the scenery.

Jax is probably a top 5-7 team depending on whos ranking. And their WRs coach is a bright young coach who helped build the LSU O. He's done well and their O is moving in the right direction.

 

[Stash]

Both starting WRs Williams and Wiflord probably had their best all around years last season. And after Northcutt joined the team he had his best year since 04. Jones is the only guy who had a problem with the scenery.

Jax is probably a top 5-7 team depending on whos ranking. And their WRs coach is a bright young coach who helped build the LSU O. He's done well and their O is moving in the right direction.

How about some numbers showing all of that 'success'?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Even if absolutely nothing changed, the guy still put up 13 TD's over 3 years. He still had more production than Crayton did, despite being this 'stiff' who was 'lazy' and 'didn't work'. Even if he's the same guy, he's this team's #3 receiver because he's shown more than anyone but Owens or Crayton.

he's not the #3 receiver in Dallas, on the depth chart he might be 3rd, but on the actual playing field he's 4th at best

Take a look at the past coaches a guy making a complete position switch has had. Not much.

Ray Sherman has a great resume, he's worked with some of the greatest ever. I have faith in him.

Matt Jones will have alot working against him if he comes here, which is why I don't share that same faith

1. still developing
2. has to learn a new offense
3. buried behind 4 to 5 potential receivers: TO, Witten, Crayton, Barber, Jones, and might even Bennett
4. doesn't play special teams, and no, he won't be sticking around as the backup punt returner

How, explain yourself?

How is a guy who puts up better numbers somehow worse?

stop comparing him to other players, Matt Jones is an enigma, they aren't, and he was deactivated, you don't do that to good players

 

[dooomsday]

How about some numbers showing all of that 'success'?

Hey dont get cocky with me! LOL JK.

Here you go, I mean 'go':

Reggie Williams 629 yards and 10 TDs were both career highs. If he could do it Jones could have, IMO.

Wilford's 45 receptions was a career high.

Northcutt's 600 yards off the bench were is most since 2004.

And from WR Coach Monkins Bio, (I cannot separate WR stats, well I could but am not motivated to do so):

Todd Monken is in his second season as the Jaguars wide receivers coach. Monken, an 18-year coaching veteran, previously served as wide receivers coach/passing game coordinator at LSU from 2005-2006.

In his first season with the Jaguars, Monken played a major role in the development of the club’s wide receivers as they finished with the most receptions and receiving yards since 2005.

http://www.jaguars.com/team/coach.aspx?id=2695

As I said, only Jones seemed to have any problems. And they STILL brought in a malcontent and a bust in Porter/Williamson.

 

[Stash]

he's not the #3 receiver in Dallas, on the depth chart he might be 3rd, but on the actual playing field he's 4th at best

Please explain.

Matt Jones will have alot working against him if he comes here, which is why I don't share that same faith

1. still developing - true, but more established than Hurd, Austin, or Stanback

2. has to learn a new offense - no question, that's why I'd do it soon

3. buried behind 4 to 5 potential receivers: TO, Witten, Crayton, Barber, Jones, and might even Bennett - Lost me there. You have no idea where Jones might factor in. He could possibly replace Crayton as the #2. And Felix Jones and Bennett haven't taken the field yet.

4. doesn't play special teams, and no, he won't be sticking around as the backup punt returner Why not? Think 'Fair Catch' Crayton has that locked up do ya?

stop comparing him to other players, Matt Jones is an enigma, they aren't, and he was deactivated, you don't do that to good players

Tell Andy Reid that. Things get bad sometimes.

And I'm sorry if those numbers are physically hurting you, but the fact is that they're all accurate.

 

[dooomsday]

Not at all. Jones has his share of blame, I'm just not letting the Jags off the hook either.



Like Alvin Harper?

Or the names I listed above who had less TD's at the same point in their respective careers?



It illustrates that it wasn't a good situation conducive to productivity - for whatever reasons.

The Jaguars seem to have their own example of a guy who looks to be thriving with a change of scenery in Troy Williamson.

Matt Jones is Matt Jones. I havent compared him to Harper. I can name several converted QBs who havent had the trouble Jones has. Bert Emanuel made to conversion right away. Everyone is different. And the production of better WRs at this point doesnt suggest to me in any way that Matt Jones is on his way after a 350 yard year.

Yes, anything is possible. But I watch Jax and Matt Jones and he isnt all that. He doesnt use his speed well. He doesnt use his skills that well. He isnt that good with out a ton of speculation. He is what he is.

I do agree he' better than Hurd/Austin. But I dont think that highly of them either. I would welcome the competition. But I dont see break out WR. Sorry.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Please explain.

TO, Witten, Crayton, Barber will have more passes thrown their way than Matt Jones, since all will be our starters, hell, Barber had almost as many receptions as Matt Jones did last year

Matt Jones will have alot working against him if he comes here, which is why I don't share that same faith

1. still developing - true, but more established than Hurd, Austin, or Stanback

:laugh2: he was only thrown to about 150 more times than they were combined

but he's proven to be more inconsistent

2. has to learn a new offense - no question, that's why I'd do it soon

it's going to take a WR still developing awhile to learn it, no matter how soon he starts

3. buried behind 4 to 5 potential receivers: TO, Witten, Crayton, Barber, Jones, and might even Bennett - Lost me there. You have no idea where Jones might factor in. He could possibly replace Crayton as the #2. And Felix Jones and Bennett haven't taken the field yet.

an inconsistent WR is not going to overtake Crayton

and even though Felix and Bennett haven't taken the field yet, alot has been invested in them, 1st and 2nd round picks, and they've started to line Felix Jones in the slot, and it's obvious the 2-Te offense is going to be a big part of our's since they took Bennett in the 2nd, so he's going to potentially be on the field alot, hence more opportunities to see some passes

4. doesn't play special teams, and no, he won't be sticking around as the backup punt returner Why not? Think 'Fair Catch' Crayton has that locked up do ya?

they're not going to keep a 4th receiver who does nothing but backup the PR

Tell Andy Reid that. Things get bad sometimes.

And I'm sorry if those numbers are physically hurting you, but the fact is that they're all accurate.

accurately average

 

[Stash]

Hey dont get cocky with me! LOL JK.

Here you go, I mean 'go':

Reggie Williams 629 yards and 10 TDs were both career highs. If he could do it Jones could have, IMO. Jones did it. In 2006 - 643 yards (4TD's) But somehow it wasn't good enough for Jones to start....

Wilford's 45 receptions was a career high. Jones had 41 in '06.

Northcutt's 600 yards off the bench were is most since 2004. Jones put up his 641 with a total of 4 starts.

And from WR Coach Monkins Bio, (I cannot separate WR stats, well I could but am not motivated to do so):

Todd Monken is in his second season as the Jaguars wide receivers coach. Monken, an 18-year coaching veteran, previously served as wide receivers coach/passing game coordinator at LSU from 2005-2006.

In his first season with the Jaguars, Monken played a major role in the development of the club’s wide receivers as they finished with the most receptions and receiving yards since 2005.

http://www.jaguars.com/team/coach.aspx?id=2695

So they're celebrating because this guy beat the team's 2006 numbers? OK....

As I said, only Jones seemed to have any problems. And they STILL brought in a malcontent and a bust in Porter/Williamson.

Maybe Jones was the only one who had problem with Del Rio? And maybe he had a good reason. I'd be mad if I had outperformed the others in '06 and still was somehow not 'good enough' to start in '07 too.

 

[dooomsday]

Maybe Jones was the only one who had problem with Del Rio? And maybe he had a good reason. I'd be mad if I had outperformed the others in '06 and still was somehow not 'good enough' to start in '07 too.

Who knows? I like Jax and think they are coming.... I dont see any coaching issues. They were one of the better, fun teams to watch last year.

But did you ever notice how starters who are producing rarely end up in the dog house or deactivated? I am just saying...

I'll take anyone with speed and potential. Matt Jones included.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe Jones was the only one who had problem with Del Rio? And maybe he had a good reason. I'd be mad if I had outperformed the others in '06 and still was somehow not 'good enough' to start in '07 too.

they improved, he regressed

but hey, he had an average year in '06!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Who knows? I like Jax and think they are coming.... I dont see any coaching issues. They were one of the better, fun teams to watch last year.

But did you ever notice how starters who are producing rarely end up in the dog house or deactivated? I am just saying...

I'll take anyone with speed and potential. Matt Jones included.

or Miles Austin, or Isaiah Stanback

 

[Stash]

TO, Witten, Crayton, Barber will have more passes thrown their way than Matt Jones, since all will be our starters, hell, Barber had almost as many receptions as Matt Jones did last year

Even if that were the case, why should the team not try to improve? Especially given the number of three receiver sets run in today's NFL.

he was only thrown to about 150 more times than they were combined

And scored 12 more touchdowns in the process......

but he's proven to be more inconsistent

How so? More inconsistant than who? Not Crayton. Jones' first three year numbers are better than his.

it's going to take a WR still developing awhile to learn it, no matter how soon he starts

The sooner the better

an inconsistent WR is not going to overtake Crayton

Says you, that 'inconsistant WR' out performed Crayton over the same period of their careers, despite less than half the starts.

and even though Felix and Bennett haven't taken the field yet, alot has been invested in them, 1st and 2nd round picks, and they've started to line Felix Jones in the slot, and it's obvious the 2-Te offense is going to be a big part of our's since they took Bennett in the 2nd, so he's going to potentially be on the field alot, hence more opportunities to see some passes

We'll see about that, Bennett isn't even this team's #2 tight end yet.

they're not going to keep a 4th receiver who does nothing but backup the PR

Who are #'s 1-3? Please go on record with Terry Glenn's name.

accurately average

Actual numbers say otheriwse.

But you keep on with that opinion.

 

[Stash]

Who knows? I like Jax and think they are coming.... I dont see any coaching issues. They were one of the better, fun teams to watch last year.

But did you ever notice how starters who are producing rarely end up in the dog house or deactivated? I am just saying...

I'll take anyone with speed and potential. Matt Jones included.

How'd things go for Randy Moss in Oakland?

He was a starter as I recall.....

I'm just saying that bad situations aren't anything new in the NFL.

 

[dooomsday]

or Miles Austin, or Isaiah Stanback

Yes, them too!! As they say throw enough against the wall...

Have at it and lets see who steps up. But if I am not going to pump up MJ I sure wont pump up Austin/Stanback. I'll take any and all upgrades to the unit from #2-#5.

 

[Stash]

they improved, he regressed

but hey, he had an average year in '06!

Better than Crayton's '06 huh?

Funny how Williams 600 yards is 'great' and 'improvement' while Jones' was 'average'.....

Wilford's 45 receptions is 'great' Jones' 41 was 'average'.

I see how this works.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Even if that were the case, why should the team not try to improve? Especially given the number of three receiver sets run in today's NFL.

how are we improving by bringing in a guy who has to learn a new offense? and is inconsistent to boot?

And scored 12 more touchdowns in the process......

yeah, that's bound to happen

How so? More inconsistant than who? Not Crayton. Jones' first three year numbers are better than his.

again, what have you done for me lately? Crayton had a career year last year, and his metrics were great, about a 9.5 ypa

The sooner the better

for a receiver who's still learning how to be a receiver, who has to learn a new offense in the process, I doubt it

Says you, that 'inconsistant WR' out performed Crayton over the same period of their careers, despite less than half the starts.

not last year

We'll see about that, Bennett isn't even this team's #2 tight end yet.

not much is standing in his way

Who are #'s 1-3? Please go on record with Terry Glenn's name.

TO, Witten, Crayton, heck, Barber too

Actual numbers say otheriwse.

But you keep on with that opinion.

never had more than 50 receptions or 700 yards receiving?

 

[Stash]

or Miles Austin, or Isaiah Stanback

And all 5 combined career catches!

Yeah, sign me up for that. After all, I love a good mystery.

:holmes:

 

[Stash]

again, what have you done for me lately? Crayton had a career year last year, and his metrics were great, about a 9.5 ypa

When injury thrust him into a role he never earned? Better to be lucky than good I guess.

not last year

You keep trying to compare one receiver's 4th year with another's 3rd. You and dbair should hook up!

not much is standing in his way

Only Tony Curtis. And he had a very good season last year. Bennett's gonna have to earn it I think.

Who are #'s 1-3? Please go on record with Terry Glenn's name.

TO, Witten, Crayton

You said 'receiver'. Witten's a TE.

never had more than 850 yards receiving?

Neither did your hero Crayton until year 4. Jones hasn't had his year 4 yet so there's no valid comparison. But, again, don't ket facts stop you.