Matt Jones wont be suspended by NFL, now we will see if jerry jones is interested!

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glorydaysrback;2787967 said:
what is all this talk about selling a decision to the locker room? Jerry Jones doesn't have to and wont sell anything to anyone, if Jerry Jones wants him he is going to get him. Period. The question is does Jerry want him?

By selling into the lockerroom I mean that after literally cleaning out the lockerroom with multiple players possessing a variety of issues, now he immediately brings in another player with a checkered past, and then spins it to the remaining veterans and rookies as this is "different".

Personally, I think it's a tough sale.

JJ just sent a tough message to the team by his actions over the past couple of months.

Anyway, let's see what JJ does. Never a dull moment!
 

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glorydaysrback;2787967 said:
what is all this talk about selling a decision to the locker room? Jerry Jones doesn't have to and wont sell anything to anyone, if Jerry Jones wants him he is going to get him. Period. The question is does Jerry want him?

Right, I think it would be a whole lot harder sell to the public than to the locker room. TO, Tank, and even Ellis are gone because they were divisive regarding teammates, coaches, and management. A guy who got busted for drugs is a totally different animal. I think a lot bigger issue would be bringing in a guy who is known to be lazy. But at least he's not known for trashing his QB or coaches.

Think about this, how would people feel if Jones went to the Giants or Philly? Personally, I'd hate the idea of facing him twice a year. Not because he's some superstar who would beat you himself, but because he can make just one or two huge plays that can turn a game.

Gawd help me, I feel like I'm turning into Stasharoo. :eek::

But I still doubt this happens, and again, maybe it's a terrible idea. One thing is for sure, I guarantee you Jerry knows Matt and his family better than anyone else in the NFL.
 

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tomson75;2787881 said:
How in god's name is he not going to be suspended? Didn't one of our coached get 5 games for taking a banned substance that was helping him cope with diabetes? Did I miss something?

...and I'd throw up if we took Jones. Then I'd bottle it and send it to Jerry.
for 3 games last year. That was for the cocaine bust. The most recent issue was that he violated his probation by having a beer during a golf game, stupid, perhaps but not a vioation without the original bust for which he was suspended.

The primary reason to take a chance on Jones is what do we do if there is an injury to Williams or Austin? Crayton is a solid no. 3 but he'll never be a good 2 nor a 1. Austin might be a good 2 but never a 1. Jones could be either 1 or 2. I think this would really solidify the WR position and is worth a shot. Any contract should be more like a series of one year contracts so we can cut him if he strays without a cap hit but it is worth doing.
 

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gimmesix;2787977 said:
I think the housecleaning done by Dallas gets misinterpreted.

Jerry Jones did not get rid of players who simply had trouble with the law (see the signing of Gerald Sensabaugh), he got rid of players whose attitudes were troubling to the team.

The idea was to change the atmosphere by letting those who were not good team players go.


We got another guy with some common sense. Great point on Sensabaugh.....hes no player with a halo over his head.
 

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gimmesix;2787977 said:
I think the housecleaning done by Dallas gets misinterpreted.

Jerry Jones did not get rid of players who simply had trouble with the law (see the signing of Gerald Sensabaugh), he got rid of players whose attitudes were troubling to the team.

The idea was to change the atmosphere by letting those who were not good team players go.

Thats actually a very good point. Sensabaugh completely precludes the idea that we won't bring in Jones. At the very least we should bring him in and get to know him a bit better, Due diligence and whatnot
 

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Is Matt Jones worth the trouble?

Opinion: Holding on to the Jaguars wide receiver would be easy — and wrong
By Gene Frenette

Story updated at 11:16 AM on Monday, Mar. 16, 2009

In his two months as Jaguars general manager, Gene Smith has often put hammer to nail on the point that good character will be a high-priority item for this organization.

Smith followed through on that standard by letting off-the-field headaches Khalif Barnes and Reggie Williams become free agents without any offer to retain them. Those were easy calls because their performance wasn't worth the aggravation.

But what happens now that Matt Jones, a player who was just starting to be a significant contributor, has messed up again and pinned Smith to the wall on the character issue? Is Jones given his walking papers, or is there a different get-out-jail-free card awaiting him because, well, the receiver corps is so painfully thin?

In some ways, this is a more awkward decision for Smith than releasing Fred Taylor because Jones is 25 and a potential long-term solution as a second or third receiver.

After Jones' cocaine arrest last July -when coach Jack Del Rio had the final authority on roster decisions, and somewhat of a personal interest in keeping Jones because he favored the team's 2006 first-round draft pick - Arkansas' former favorite son capitalized on the break. A previously immature, lazy player led the team in catches (65) and receiving yards (761) in 2008, despite serving a three-game suspension for violating the NFL substance-abuse policy.

All that knucklehead nonsense appeared to be in his past until Jones, by drinking beer two weeks ago while playing golf with friends in Arkansas, violated the no-alcohol condition of his plea deal that placed him in a drug-intervention program.

He will be in jail until Sunday and is likely facing another NFL suspension for running afoul of its personal-conduct policy.

While it seems harsh to berate Jones for such an innocuous offense, the problem here is more about judgment than the gravity of his actions. Jones knew consuming alcohol meant a violation of probation, yet he took the risk and got popped by a random test.

If you're the Jaguars, how many times is Jones entitled to disappoint his bosses before they decide he's no longer worth the trouble? Jones can recite the riot act because it's been read to him so often by receivers coach Todd Monken that Jones knows it better than a Geico commercial.

Fans here want to embrace him, but Jones is just a big tease. He gets people excited. Then, just like that last-second pass in the end zone against the Cleveland Browns last year, Jones ultimately lets you down.

Can he change? Sure, anything is possible.

But if the Jaguars keep him, they also live with wondering if there's going to be a screw-up that leads to another suspension, or a drive foiled because No. 18 didn't go hard enough after a ball.

That's the problem with Jones. He's not a menu on which you can pick only the desirable options. The baggage comes with him, and it's getting heavier all the time.

The NFL Draft is six weeks away, but make no mistake about it, Gene Smith is already on the clock. He must decide whether Matt Jones has run out of second chances.

Actually, the answer for the team's new sheriff should be simple. If character truly does matter to the Jaguars, you cut the cord, even when it's the inconvenient thing to do.

gene.frenette@jacksonville.com,

http://www.jacksonville.com/sports/...lding_onto_wr_jones_would_be_easy_-_and_wrong
 

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gimmesix;2787966 said:
Matt Jones was suspended for getting arrested for possessing cocaine because it violated NFL rules.

He was not suspended for being jailed for violating drug court rules because what he did did not violate NFL rules.

Simple as that.

I really can't understand why so many expected him to be suspended over this when testing positive for alcohol (not public drunkenness or anything of that nature) isn't against NFL policy. He had an agreement with drug court that he broke, and he paid for that with jail time.

Well that would satisfy my "Did I miss something?" question, wouldn't it? I was under the impression that this was still concerning his cocaine use. I'm not a member of Jones' twitter page, forgive me if I wasn't up to date on his court proceedings.

Perhaps I'm not the only one...
 

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DFWJC;2787972 said:
I know their line was completely hurt and the running game went south...and they have bascially no WRs.... Garrard is NOT a bum. He can make all the throws, has a gun, and can be very accurate---see 2007 as an example of when the line was healthy. He was only behind Brady in QB ratings. He has just never had any WRs. Last season (while running for his life on every play) he and Jones were finally starting to click.

Oh yeah, and he has led his team to a playoff win--even without any real WRs.

Let's see how he does this season now that he has some line and WR help.

Garrard is a bum, you can be impressed with the aberration which was 2007, ill take 2008 as a closer barometer. Ragardless, he isn't in Romo's class which means Matt Jones can put up big #s in big D. Not saying I think signing him is the right move, but as far as shear talent on the field, he can help us. However, that is not the whole scenario.
 

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gimmesix;2787977 said:
I think the housecleaning done by Dallas gets misinterpreted.

Jerry Jones did not get rid of players who simply had trouble with the law (see the signing of Gerald Sensabaugh), he got rid of players whose attitudes were troubling to the team.

The idea was to change the atmosphere by letting those who were not good team players go.

That's a good point with Sensabaugh.

I don't know, I still don't think JJ does it, but I guess you never know.
 

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glorydaysrback;2787987 said:
Garrard is a bum, you can be impressed with the aboration which was 2007, ill take 2008 as a closer barometer. Ragardless, he isn't in Romo's class which means Matt Jones can put up big #s in big D. Not saying I think signing him is the right move, but as far as shear talent on the field, he can help us. However, that is not the whole scenario.

Your full of it. How can losing 3 starting Olineman in the 1st week and having basically no reliable WRs be a good baramoter. Walker was hurt, Jones was out for some of the time. Come on...think about it!

I'm not dissing Jones, just saying you underestimate Garrard by a long shot.
 

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FuzzBuster;2787978 said:
Actually no its not that simple any arrest can be considered conduct detrimental to the league and as such Goodell can suspend anyone he damn well pleases.

Its written in each and every players contract. Its in the appendix of the CBA if you want to look it up. The verbage allows Goodell complete autonomy to suspend anyone for whatever reason because of the vagueness of 'conduct detrimental to the league.'

The issue here is one of consistency. Goodell has none and just makes crap up and contradicts himself as he goes along.

I don't disagree with that, and was going to throw in that Goodell has that discretion (although I couldn't figure out how to phrase it as well as you did).

I just haven't been able to understand why so many felt this offense would definitely draw a suspension. If his violation of drug court rules had been for something more severe than drinking some beer on a golf course with some buddies, then I can understand it. He got a small jail term for his stupidity, but even the drug court judge didn't feel the offense was big enough to warrant more than that.

The only thing that made me think at all that he could get suspended was conduct detrimental to the league.
 

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gUnit;2787964 said:
Your Funny...Jones caught 65 balls last year and that's including missing 3 games last year with a suspension. 15th in passing because that loser of a Qb was checking down to that little fire-plug Jone-Drew every play if Jones wasnt open!! I will put my money where my mouth is..... Son, OK PAL!! LOL.

Well that pretty much says everything I need to know about you. You've just defended a habitual, lazy, underachieving, coke-head by calling Garrard a loser.....a man whose fought adversity from a young age when his mother passed from cancer (for which he's started a foundation for research and awareness) and was then diagnosed with Crohn's disease...for which is has also become a spokesman for it's awareness.

Who is the loser here?

Hint....it's not Garrard. :rolleyes:
 

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DFWJC;2787992 said:
Your full of it. How can losing 3 starting Olineman in the 1st week and having basically no reliable WRs be a good baramoter. Walker was hurt, Jones was out for some of the time. Come on...think about it!

I'm not dissing Jones, just saying you underestimate Garrard by a long shot.

Underestimate Garrard? maybe, I might agree with that. A bum, maybe not. A starter for my NFL franchise? No thanks. A definitive NO.
 

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tomson75;2787986 said:
Well that would satisfy my "Did I miss something?" question, wouldn't it? I was under the impression that this was still concerning his cocaine use. I'm not a member of Jones' twitter page, forgive me if I wasn't up to date on his court proceedings.

Perhaps I'm not the only one...

Didn't mean to offend. But there have been plenty who knew his offense and still felt it would definitely draw a suspension.
 

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glorydaysrback;2788003 said:
Underestimate Garrard? maybe, I might agree with that. A bum, maybe not. A starter for my NFL franchise? No thanks. A definitive NO.

Far enough. If you're owner or GM, you get to make that call.
 

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gimmesix;2788006 said:
Didn't mean to offend. But there have been plenty who knew his offense and still felt it would definitely draw a suspension.

None taken. I don't have anything personal against Jones outside of not wanting him on the Cowboys...but I would have most certainly been pissed if he hadn't been suspended for the cocaine use after the sentence they gave a coach for treating a personal illness.

I could care less about any other legal proceeding concerning Jones....just what pertained to the NFL.
 

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Woods;2787989 said:
That's a good point with Sensabaugh.

I don't know, I still don't think JJ does it, but I guess you never know.

As long as it's for a minimal deal, maybe with bonuses to be earned, I wouldn't have a problem with Dallas bringing him in.

I would have a problem if the Cowboys were definitely going to be depending on him being a starting receiver. He has to be a luxury that you can get rid of at the drop of the hat if necessary until he proves that drugs are not going to be an ongoing problem.
 

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glorydaysrback;2787987 said:
Garrard is a bum, you can be impressed with the aberration which was 2007, ill take 2008 as a closer barometer. Ragardless, he isn't in Romo's class which means Matt Jones can put up big #s in big D. Not saying I think signing him is the right move, but as far as shear talent on the field, he can help us. However, that is not the whole scenario.

Garrard is an above average QB..he had no line and ZERO offensive talent, other than Mojo. At least Garrard has won a playoff game.
 

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DFWJC;2788009 said:
Far enough. If you're owner or GM, you get to make that call.

I look at the QB position in 2 different ways- 1) can win a superbowl and 2) can't wint a superbowl. If he falls in category 2, it is time to go find someone who falls in category 1. I have about 7-10 current qbs who fall into category 1, Garrard is not one of them. Are there exceptions to my rule? of course, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson come to mind. But I am not holding my breath as a fan for my dallas cowboys to pull off what those 2 teams have done.
 
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