Maybe Its A Culture Problem, Not Neccessarily Playcalling

[birdwells1]

My own feeling is that we're very close. It's a mental shift or an expectation, or a fear of getting fired or cut or something. I'm not sure what's missing, but whatever it is, I honestly don't think it's something all that significant. You could kind of feel things slide into focus for us in 2014 as the swagger started. When it did, all of the little excuses for it not getting done sort of just disappeared and things started to snowball positively.

I wish I had a better answer for what I thought the problem was. It drives me crazy, and makes the games and the seasons just not fun to watch when we sisyphus it out there week after week after week.

Would Jimmy or Bill pat Williams on the back after that play? I think we all know the answer to that. The biggest thing Jimmy brought to this organization was accountability, player feared getting benched or worse. That is gone Jerry Jones's first criteria when hiring a coach is his own comfortability, that why you see guys like Gailey, Campo, Phillips, and Garrett being hired. He really only hired Bill because he wanted to get the new stadium as he said on that camera phone video.

It's really a good deal for Garrett, be mediocre and let the owner/gm have the run of the team, and you get to make 5million a year. Who wouldn't want that? I tell you who, the Belicheks, Harbaugh, Jimmy Johnsons, Arians of the world. The Cowboys have a culture problem and it starts at the top. The reason why the Patriots can go to Arizona as a 9 point underdog and win without Brady (arguably the greatest an of all time), Gronkowski (the best te in the game), starting de suspended and staring olineman out, is because they've created a culture of no excuses.

That and their offensive scheming is the best in the league, rub routes galore, setting up the run with the pass. Not relying on the my guy is better than your guy and that's why we'll win philosophy.

 

[willia451]

The Dallas Cowboys make a ton of cash. The money just pours in like hard rain. Like for almost no other sports franchise on the planet. Whether or not they win or lose. 1-15. 8-8. 4-12. 12-4. Doesn't matter.

Every decision that is made, including personnel, is calculated for the continuation and expansion of the revenue stream.

Those are the core issues.

SB winners come and go. But diamonds are forever.

 

[birdwells1]

I think most fans are over reacting to the first game of the season. It was a division game and especially against the Giants is 1 or 2 plays to win or lose. We had chances to put the game away and giants had chances to put it away and it came down to the end. I hate to lose but i see some positives as well as negatives.

Dak is a rookie playing in his first game against the Giants on 9/11. The sky isn't falling, our season isn't over. Commanders got blown out and looked terrible. Eagles played the Browns.

As terrible as yall say we are what does that say about the Giants who needed Williams to make a mental error to win by 1 point. We kicked FGs all game. Do we need to play better.....yes the entire team does including coaches. This division is wide open and we have just as good of a chance to win it as any of them.

This about more than this game, this about championships and this organizations structure and culture won't allow that to happen. Just think if Belichek was our coach and Kraft was the owner, I think that we would have competed for a super bowl or won one with Romo by now.

 

[DandyDon52]

I think most fans are over reacting to the first game of the season. It was a division game and especially against the Giants is 1 or 2 plays to win or lose. We had chances to put the game away and giants had chances to put it away and it came down to the end. I hate to lose but i see some positives as well as negatives.

Dak is a rookie playing in his first game against the Giants on 9/11. The sky isn't falling, our season isn't over. Commanders got blown out and looked terrible. Eagles played the Browns.

As terrible as yall say we are what does that say about the Giants who needed Williams to make a mental error to win by 1 point. We kicked FGs all game. Do we need to play better.....yes the entire team does including coaches. This division is wide open and we have just as good of a chance to win it as any of them.

yeah most teams that lost, lost a close game,
only cleveland and wash got beat by double digits. wash was the worst, losing by 22 points!

I do think what some of you have said is true, jerry and his boy, create a toxic culture here, and they wont ever change, so neither will
the culture.
I also blame jg too, with his process, and if we lose we watch the tape and get better.
They have been watching tape a long time, and still play poorly, so i wonder when does the get better part actually happen?

The worst thing to me was morris was clearly the better back at this point, so he should have become the starter in 2nd quarter.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Now, this is a thread I can get behind. I'm not sure what the problem is, but it needs to change. I don't know if it's a benching, or a bold proclamation, or what, but somebody needs to get some skin in the game in Dallas. And I'm perfectly fine putting that on the head coach, where it belongs.

The frustrating this is the same symptoms bite us from a different place each game. It's drive-killing OL penalties. It's ST breakdowns. It's downfield blocking calls on WRs that remove TDs. It's drops, or officials overturning calls they should not, or body catches, or the sun in my eyes, or not getting out of bounds. It's a blown coverage because a LB got hurt at the end of regulation. It's not holding your water at QB and putting in a guy who doesn't take care of the football. You can't see it coming because it's so many little things.

Is it culture? Maybe. I think, mostly, we've got a good culture right now, but there's something keeping these guys from getting the job done when it matters.

Is it reliance on Tony's magic to make it all work? Maybe. Tony's pretty great. But we found so many ways to lose last season, it was crazy. And we picked up right where we left off this week.

My own feeling is that we're very close. It's a mental shift or an expectation, or a fear of getting fired or cut or something. I'm not sure what's missing, but whatever it is, I honestly don't think it's something all that significant. You could kind of feel things slide into focus for us in 2014 as the swagger started. When it did, all of the little excuses for it not getting done sort of just disappeared and things started to snowball positively.

I wish I had a better answer for what I thought the problem was. It drives me crazy, and makes the games and the seasons just not fun to watch when we sisyphus it out there week after week after week.

Hu? These are the most coddled players in the NFL. Which is a huge part of the problem. Coach no balls had them castrated by coach Jones. It's like if your dad punished you and you went straight to mom to get out of it. We draft troubled players for god sakes.
Twill shouldn't see the field again but he will start. So the message is no matter how dumb you are you have a job in Dallas.

 

[bkeavs]

Now, this is a thread I can get behind. I'm not sure what the problem is, but it needs to change. I don't know if it's a benching, or a bold proclamation, or what, but somebody needs to get some skin in the game in Dallas. And I'm perfectly fine putting that on the head coach, where it belongs.

The frustrating this is the same symptoms bite us from a different place each game. It's drive-killing OL penalties. It's ST breakdowns. It's downfield blocking calls on WRs that remove TDs. It's drops, or officials overturning calls they should not, or body catches, or the sun in my eyes, or not getting out of bounds. It's a blown coverage because a LB got hurt at the end of regulation. It's not holding your water at QB and putting in a guy who doesn't take care of the football. You can't see it coming because it's so many little things.

Is it culture? Maybe. I think, mostly, we've got a good culture right now, but there's something keeping these guys from getting the job done when it matters.

Is it reliance on Tony's magic to make it all work? Maybe. Tony's pretty great. But we found so many ways to lose last season, it was crazy. And we picked up right where we left off this week.

My own feeling is that we're very close. It's a mental shift or an expectation, or a fear of getting fired or cut or something. I'm not sure what's missing, but whatever it is, I honestly don't think it's something all that significant. You could kind of feel things slide into focus for us in 2014 as the swagger started. When it did, all of the little excuses for it not getting done sort of just disappeared and things started to snowball positively.

I wish I had a better answer for what I thought the problem was. It drives me crazy, and makes the games and the seasons just not fun to watch when we sisyphus it out there week after week after week.

I agree with a lot of this and the answer may not be simple but I would think we wouldn't stay the course and hope and pray it works out. I'm not s fan of Garrett but I would think we can all agree that's he's no Tom Landry. Why not start with him and the coaching staff and move on from there. Does anyone here think we would be firing the next great coach. I certainly don't

The fear for me is that we can do that and jerry will just bring in another lap dog that has little to say about what direction this team goes. I know there are a lot of people that think Garrett is re building this roster but that couldn't be further from the truth. Sure he's in the room with them and offering his opinion but I don't think it means much when it comes to a difference of opinions

 

[kevm3]

The cowboys is an organization that you'd absolutely love to work at. Laid back, not super strict, no requirements to win, lots of glitz and glamor. It's no wonder players want to come here. Now as a product on the field, we get beat by more strict organizations. Players on winning teams in other organizations, the coach gets in their face and possibly threatens them with the loss of a job. In our organization, Garrett smiles and pats the guy on the back. During gametime, is it not wonder we keep making critical mistakes?

I think Garrett is a great guy, but he should be running a kid's football league. I can see him walking off the field with a big smile and hand out capri suns and apple slices to everyone. In the NFL, cheesing after a loss to a divisional rival won't cut it. I think his talents lay much more in the realms of admin work and bringing talent in here than being an on the field general. We've assembled a lot of talented players and coaches. Still, as a head coach, you have to instill discipline and create an atmosphere that just isn't being created here. You can't win in this league if you aren't willing to create an uncomfortable atmosphere and just from the quotes I hear from the players, it seems like losing is no big deal to them. Remember when Dez used to get emotional after we lost? Now it seems like no huge deal anymore. Remember hardy smacking the clipboard and making things uncomfortable in that locker room? He's gone.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I was questioning my friend Idgit in another thread as to why Dallas seems to be the only team in the league that cant win games regardless of who the backup is. He stated we are losing games with our backup QBs (currently 1-13) because key starters are not making the plays that are there to be made and I agree 100% with that assessment.

The next logical question would be "why do the key starters on other teams make plays for their backups, but not in Dallas?"

Maybe its not playcalling, but culture? Maybe Garrett has created a culture that its ok to lose if Romo doesn't play. You don't have to make the extra effort to get out of bounds, you don't have to make the extra effort to catch that pass that is slightly behind you, you don't have to make that extra effort to hold your block just a second longer, because we are not expecting to win without Romo.

What I saw yesterday was the Giant's head coach get in the face of a TE that dropped a 3rd down pass and the head coach of the Cowboy's pat a player on the back after a huge gaffe costed the team a chance to win a game. Maybe that sends a message to the rest of the team that its ok, we didn't expect to win anyways.

I really started thinking about this when a reporter asked Cole Beasly about Williams not getting out of bounds to stop the clock and he said that "it probably didn't matter, that would have been a long arse FG anyways".

So the message is that if you screw up, don't worry about it, we probably were not going to win anyways without Romo. Now maybe its starting to become a little more clear why this team has lost 13 out of 14 games without Romo.

 

[LittleD]

Certainly, Garrett is NO Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells either. He can't play either one of them
on tv either. Jerry doesn't like to hire coaches who might like control and who might confront
him on decisions. As we have known, Garrett is pretty much Jerry's puppet. Jerry likes to
comfort his pet players so there you have it.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

We don't win games without Romo because:

1. Our backup QB's have been awful

2. The defense stinks.

3. We don't have a coaching staff that can find ways to score with a backup QB.

Case in point, the Patriots. I can't imagine Belichick being pleased with Garappolo's performance against AZ and thinking that he's the QB of the future. But, they worked extra hard on their running game and threw in enough gadget and misdirection plays to gain valuable yards and score points. Their defense was solid as well. And as much as I thought Garappolo's performance was poor, he was at least competent.

The biggest issue with the Cowboys is that their mindset, scouting and development of defensive players has to change. We don't need to be the next '85 Bears, but we need a defense that game-in and game-out puts up respectable performances.




YR

 

[Blake]

I think most fans are over reacting to the first game of the season. It was a division game and especially against the Giants is 1 or 2 plays to win or lose. We had chances to put the game away and giants had chances to put it away and it came down to the end. I hate to lose but i see some positives as well as negatives.

Dak is a rookie playing in his first game against the Giants on 9/11. The sky isn't falling, our season isn't over. Commanders got blown out and looked terrible. Eagles played the Browns.

As terrible as yall say we are what does that say about the Giants who needed Williams to make a mental error to win by 1 point. We kicked FGs all game. Do we need to play better.....yes the entire team does including coaches. This division is wide open and we have just as good of a chance to win it as any of them.

This has to do with a pattern of accepted mediocrity in this organization, ...not just one game.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I really started thinking about this when a reporter asked Cole Beasly about Williams not getting out of bounds to stop the clock and he said that "it probably didn't matter, that would have been a long arse FG anyways".

So the message is that if you screw up, don't worry about it, we probably were not going to win anyways without Romo. Now maybe its starting to become a little more clear why this team has lost 13 out of 14 games without Romo.

Something about Beasley rubs me the wrong way, just seems like someone who doesn't really care much and is always distracted.

 

[CATCH17]

I was questioning my friend Idgit in another thread as to why Dallas seems to be the only team in the league that cant win games regardless of who the backup is. He stated we are losing games with our backup QBs (currently 1-13) because key starters are not making the plays that are there to be made and I agree 100% with that assessment.

The next logical question would be "why do the key starters on other teams make plays for their backups, but not in Dallas?"

Maybe its not playcalling, but culture? Maybe Garrett has created a culture that its ok to lose if Romo doesn't play. You don't have to make the extra effort to get out of bounds, you don't have to make the extra effort to catch that pass that is slightly behind you, you don't have to make that extra effort to hold your block just a second longer, because we are not expecting to win without Romo.

What I saw yesterday was the Giant's head coach get in the face of a TE that dropped a 3rd down pass and the head coach of the Cowboy's pat a player on the back after a huge gaffe costed the team a chance to win a game. Maybe that sends a message to the rest of the team that its ok, we didn't expect to win anyways.

I really started thinking about this when a reporter asked Cole Beasly about Williams not getting out of bounds to stop the clock and he said that "it probably didn't matter, that would have been a long arse FG anyways".

So the message is that if you screw up, don't worry about it, we probably were not going to win anyways without Romo. Now maybe its starting to become a little more clear why this team has lost 13 out of 14 games without Romo.

Because Dallas has a formula that they use and it doesn't work.

You could put Dak, Cassell, Weeden, or Moore out there. It all looks the same.


The NFL is all about big plays.. Garrett is playing scared and conservative and doing the opposite of what wins in todays NFL.

We dominated the ball against the Giants.. We made no big plays offensively and gave up big plays defensively.

It's simple.

 

[Risen Star]

Lol...hey maybe there's a culture problem in Dallas....and maybe it's Jason Garrett.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[Risen Star]

Nobody at Valley Ranch has feared for their jobs since Bill Parcells was walking the halls. The second he drove off the lot, the VR Country Club was back in full force.

Make no mistake, it starts at the top with the owner and permeates throughout the entire team.

Exactly. When he came here he immediately talked about changing the culture. When he left he warned us before long you won't even know he was here. The culture went right back to cancer.

It's not really complicated if you're not interested in being a Rowdy double.

But yeah, maybe it's Jason Garrett.

 

[willia451]

.....just from the quotes I hear from the players, it seems like losing is no big deal to them.

I'm sure that is absolutely not true. But players now days have to act like good sports when they lose and that they'll work hard to get better.

The Media wills it. Otherwise..............well, you've seen what happens just as much as anyone.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

If Dez or Beas had caught those touchdown passes we'd be having an entirely different conversation,,,

 

[John813]

If it's a culture issue, it's starts way up top with Jerry.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Now, this is a thread I can get behind. I'm not sure what the problem is, but it needs to change. I don't know if it's a benching, or a bold proclamation, or what, but somebody needs to get some skin in the game in Dallas. And I'm perfectly fine putting that on the head coach, where it belongs.

The frustrating this is the same symptoms bite us from a different place each game. It's drive-killing OL penalties. It's ST breakdowns. It's downfield blocking calls on WRs that remove TDs. It's drops, or officials overturning calls they should not, or body catches, or the sun in my eyes, or not getting out of bounds. It's a blown coverage because a LB got hurt at the end of regulation. It's not holding your water at QB and putting in a guy who doesn't take care of the football. You can't see it coming because it's so many little things.

Is it culture? Maybe. I think, mostly, we've got a good culture right now, but there's something keeping these guys from getting the job done when it matters.

Is it reliance on Tony's magic to make it all work? Maybe. Tony's pretty great. But we found so many ways to lose last season, it was crazy. And we picked up right where we left off this week.

My own feeling is that we're very close. It's a mental shift or an expectation, or a fear of getting fired or cut or something. I'm not sure what's missing, but whatever it is, I honestly don't think it's something all that significant. You could kind of feel things slide into focus for us in 2014 as the swagger started. When it did, all of the little excuses for it not getting done sort of just disappeared and things started to snowball positively.

I wish I had a better answer for what I thought the problem was. It drives me crazy, and makes the games and the seasons just not fun to watch when we sisyphus it out there week after week after week.

Its not as much a reliance on Romo's magic, its a reliance on his leadership and control of the offense. Without Romo, Garrett cant make a game plan to save his life. He simply CANT lead and coach. With Romo he simply lets Romo do his thing and Romo takes care of everything. When Romo is out, Garrett just tucks tail back into his conservative, play not to lose, check down game plan and hopes to be in it at the end.

The FACT that you cant see this is woefully disturbing and your standards for what kind of coach we need for this team is alarmingly low.

 

[JBS]

What's so hard to accept about the fact that our coaches and players just aren't good enough? That's it..it's that simple

Our players on defense suck

And our coaches are just as bad