Maybe Its A Culture Problem, Not Neccessarily Playcalling

[CowboyRoy]

What's so hard to accept about the fact that our coaches and players just aren't good enough? That's it..it's that simple

Our players on defense suck

And our coaches are just as bad

You nailed it. You would think the win'loss record would be some kind of an indication of that.

 

[jazzcat22]

Morris should have been the starter from the start. The guy had a very good pre-season and earned it. But not in Dallas.

The NFL is all about parity. That's the way they want it and it's great for the entertainment value. It's also the reason why coaching is so important. We are seriously lacking in that department and folks are starting to realize it even though it took the better part of 10 years.

Note to Jerry....when the NFL said it wanted parity, it did not mean to average 8-8 seasons over the past 20 years..........
Someone needs to explain him what was meant by that...but Jerry does have a brain of a 40 year old, so he claims...I think he has forgot things since he was 40.........

 

[Idgit]

Even as the evidence is mounting that the person who works well within the system isn't producing anything worthwhile on the field?

I never understood this logic from fans. You see it all the time.............. "yeah, I know we kind of stink right now and are mediocre, but hey, it could be a lot worse. The next guy could be really bad!"

I don't quite get the fear of the unknown some of you have where what we currently have, which is looking more and more like a definite mediocre product, is good enough for you to not take a risk and see if there is something better out there.

Jerry is a problem. I think most of us agree with that. But he's not going anywhere any time soon. I'd much rather take a risk and find (or even luck into) a coach that can win and produce than continue down this path of mediocrity that we are currently in. I just don't understand why fans of the Cowboys would actually prefer to keep the status quo and not win squat than take that chance and maybe find the guy who can make us a winner.

The idea is that if your car has a blown transmission, you don't address if by fixing the head gasket. Is there a head gasket out there than can fix the transmission problem for you? Probably not. So let's not worry about the head gasket right now, and concentrate on what can be done about the transmission. Or just reconcile ourselves to the fact that this car's not going to run the way we want it to.

 

[cowboyblue22]

well it don't matter if they don't start winning soon the pressure will get to the point the owner will have to do something and we know he is not going to fire the gm so guess who gets canned its the HC and his staff if they keep losing its going to be hard for garrett to continue the pressure will really get bad the press and fans will make life miserable for jerry and if it comes to a housecleaning it wont be just coaches that are let go lots of players will also get shown there way out of town.

 

[Sydla]

The idea is that if your car has a blown transmission, you don't address if by fixing the head gasket. Is there a head gasket out there than can fix the transmission problem for you? Probably not. So let's not worry about the head gasket right now, and concentrate on what can be done about the transmission. Or just reconcile ourselves to the fact that this car's not going to run the way we want it to.

Who is the blown gasket and who is the transmission in your scenario?

Here's a better analogy. Garrett isn't the head gasket or the transmission. He's the mechanic who is supposed to make sure all the parts work properly to get the most out of the car. He's failing as a mechanic.

Here's a question. What's the absolute worst that can happen if we fire Garrett and hire a new coach? Go 4-12? We did that already. Not make the playoffs? Garrett has done that once in 6 years. So what exactly are we losing if eventually cut bait with Garrett?

 

[Idgit]

well it don't matter if they don't start winning soon the pressure will get to the point the owner will have to do something and we know he is not going to fire the gm so guess who gets canned its the HC and his staff if they keep losing its going to be hard for garrett to continue the pressure will really get bad the press and fans will make life miserable for jerry and if it comes to a housecleaning it wont be just coaches that are let go lots of players will also get shown there way out of town.

It's going to mean new offensive and defensive systems, probably significant changes to the scouting department, and starting over with the draft targets on top of personnel changes. All for a system where the primary problem is not the coaching staff in the first place.

And people will be happy about it because 'they don't tolerate mediocrity' or whatever. Can't wait. This time, it's going to be different. I can feel it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Note to Jerry....when the NFL said it wanted parity, it did not mean to average 8-8 seasons over the past 20 years..........
Someone needs to explain him what was meant by that...but Jerry does have a brain of a 40 year old, so he claims...I think he has forgot things since he was 40.........

Parody just means that coaching and GM work is more important than ever.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It's going to mean new offensive and defensive systems, probably significant changes to the scouting department, and starting over with the draft targets on top of personnel changes. All for a system where the primary problem is not the coaching staff in the first place.

And people will be happy about it because 'they don't tolerate mediocrity' or whatever. Can't wait. This time, it's going to be different. I can feel it.

This is now a new team and a new era. Its needs a new head coach and a fresh new start.

Young Oline, Dak, Zeke, and the new defense being revamped.

 

[visionary]

Garrett is a symptom of the disease.

He actually might do well in another situation but he has no shot here working for this owner.

If by symptom you mean a money hungry incompetent spine less front man... Then yes, Garrett is a symptom

This team is poorly coached and undisciplined and that is on the HC

 

[cowboyblue22]

all I am saying is garrett has to find a way to win and his players have to help because the owner is not going to fire the gm I hope garrett could be successful don't want to see them tear it all down but if they don't start winning the coach and his staff are the ones that are going to get fired

 

[Irvin88_4life]

yeah most teams that lost, lost a close game,
only cleveland and wash got beat by double digits. wash was the worst, losing by 22 points!

I do think what some of you have said is true, jerry and his boy, create a toxic culture here, and they wont ever change, so neither will
the culture.
I also blame jg too, with his process, and if we lose we watch the tape and get better.
They have been watching tape a long time, and still play poorly, so i wonder when does the get better part actually happen?

The worst thing to me was morris was clearly the better back at this point, so he should have become the starter in 2nd quarter.

What does people expect when starters don't play in preseason. You play sloppy, your out of sync. We will have a better showing next week.

With a rookie QB and RB I'm willing to give it some time. It's not like it was Romo out there and we lost. A rookie QB played his first game against the Giants and went toe to toe with Eli

 

[Idgit]

No offense but that's a horrible analogy. It actually doesn't even make sense because a head gasket and transmission are equal parts of the car. Garrett isn't the head gasket or the transmission. He's the mechanic who is supposed to make sure all the parts work properly to get the most out of the car. He's failing as a mechanic.

So your solution here is that because Jones is a boob, we should just accept our lot in life and be happy with season after season of disappointments being led by a coach that the evidence continues to show is mediocre?

No offense taken, because the analogy is fine. Garrett can't be the mechanic because the mechanic is capable of fixing the problem so that leaves no analog for Jerry Jones, which is what's really wrong with the car.

You put a system in place that has the best shot of working around Jerry Jones. That's the only thing you can do. What you're doing is looking for a solution to gravity. There is no solution to it. You need to work with it and around it, those are your options. You seem to think there's a guy out there who's going to do a better job of this than Jason will. I don't. As I said before, this team is actually close. It needs a tweak of some sort and not a ground-up overhaul. A ground-up overhaul gets you the illusion of motion for a few seasons, and then back in the same circumstance your'e in now. If we're ever going to solve the problem, do it now when you've got a stable staff in place and a guy who's a moderating influence on the egomaniac running the show. If we're not going to solve it, let's get real about it and stop pretending the issue is something it isn't.

 

[Teague31]

The number of key players on this roster worried about their jobs is exactly zero. That is the problem

 

[jazzcat22]

The idea is that if your car has a blown transmission, you don't address if by fixing the head gasket. Is there a head gasket out there than can fix the transmission problem for you? Probably not. So let's not worry about the head gasket right now, and concentrate on what can be done about the transmission. Or just reconcile ourselves to the fact that this car's not going to run the way we want it to.

Maybe it's time for a new engine, or even a new car.........just couldn't resist...

 

[jazzcat22]

No offense taken, because the analogy is fine. Garrett can't be the mechanic because the mechanic is capable of fixing the problem so that leaves no analog for Jerry Jones, which is what's really wrong with the car.

You put a system in place that has the best shot of working around Jerry Jones. That's the only thing you can do. What you're doing is looking for a solution to gravity. There is no solution to it. You need to work with it and around it, those are your options. You seem to think there's a guy out there who's going to do a better job of this than Jason will. I don't. As I said before, this team is actually close. It needs a tweak of some sort and not a ground-up overhaul. A ground-up overhaul gets you the illusion of motion for a few seasons, and then back in the same circumstance your'e in now. If we're ever going to solve the problem, do it now when you've got a stable staff in place and a guy who's a moderating influence on the egomaniac running the show. If we're not going to solve it, let's get real about it and stop pretending the issue is something it isn't.

I think they are close too, but something always seems to be missing. And know one seems to be able to figure that out.
However, Jason and this staff needs to find a way to win with Dak. Not putting it all on Dak, but the QB is considered that catalyst of a teams success. Now a defense that can make stop when needed helps a lot. so something needs to get fixed there.

Once this teams gets some wins and has some success, it will fuel their confidence, and they can get on a winning streak. But someone or several players really need to step up. And no one has done that for a long time.

 

[Idgit]

Maybe it's time for a new engine, or even a new car.........just couldn't resist...

Whatever the analogy, it's tough for me to believe we're going to put together a working system as long as Jerry insists on providing the distraction he provides. That's the point I'm trying to make. And I think things have been surprisingly stable and that we're actually relatively close right now. I wish I had a better critique of what I think needs to change, but I"m not sure exactly what the problem is. I do think Jason ticks most of the boxes for what this organization needs at HC. He obviously doesn't tick them all, but I'd prefer to see him get the time to try to figure out what those last few boxes are, because the next guy could well be a disaster and we'd be starting all over again.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Romo makes this team better, inspite of Garrett! That's all it is. If Garrett stays beyond Romo's retirement, this is what the Cowboys team will look like.

 

[LocimusPrime]

No offense taken, because the analogy is fine. Garrett can't be the mechanic because the mechanic is capable of fixing the problem so that leaves no analog for Jerry Jones, which is what's really wrong with the car.

You put a system in place that has the best shot of working around Jerry Jones. That's the only thing you can do. What you're doing is looking for a solution to gravity. There is no solution to it. You need to work with it and around it, those are your options. You seem to think there's a guy out there who's going to do a better job of this than Jason will. I don't. As I said before, this team is actually close. It needs a tweak of some sort and not a ground-up overhaul. A ground-up overhaul gets you the illusion of motion for a few seasons, and then back in the same circumstance your'e in now. If we're ever going to solve the problem, do it now when you've got a stable staff in place and a guy who's a moderating influence on the egomaniac running the show. If we're not going to solve it, let's get real about it and stop pretending the issue is something it isn't.

Miranelli has been pouring sawdust in the defensive " transmission" for years. Keeping that car sounding good. Buyer beware lol. Couldnt resist. Lol sorry

 

[Idgit]

Miranelli has been pouring sawdust in the defensive " transmission" for years. Keeping that car sounding good. Buyer beware lol. Couldnt resist. Lol sorry

The transmission was supposed to be Jerry, which makes the Marinelli analogy more disturbing, somehow.

But, yeah, it's a separate issue, but we bet burned by the neglect of the defensive personnel, too.

 

[Sydla]

No offense taken, because the analogy is fine. Garrett can't be the mechanic because the mechanic is capable of fixing the problem so that leaves no analog for Jerry Jones, which is what's really wrong with the car.

You put a system in place that has the best shot of working around Jerry Jones. That's the only thing you can do. What you're doing is looking for a solution to gravity. There is no solution to it. You need to work with it and around it, those are your options. You seem to think there's a guy out there who's going to do a better job of this than Jason will. I don't. As I said before, this team is actually close. It needs a tweak of some sort and not a ground-up overhaul. A ground-up overhaul gets you the illusion of motion for a few seasons, and then back in the same circumstance your'e in now. If we're ever going to solve the problem, do it now when you've got a stable staff in place and a guy who's a moderating influence on the egomaniac running the show. If we're not going to solve it, let's get real about it and stop pretending the issue is something it isn't.

You never answered my questions. What's the worst thing that can happen if they have another subpar season and fire Garrett?

Let's add another question to the mix. At what point will you eventually admit that Garrett isn't a good coach (you seem to act like he is)? Or are you just steadfast that as long as he keeps pumping out mediocre but not bad results he's the guy for the job because that's the best one can do under Jones?