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jterrell;2554552 said:
I have always wondered how you can underachieve when you have never achieved anything in the first place.

This team gets built up as a Super Bowl champ based on going 13-3 last year but without the key guys from that team being healthy(Romo and Barber specifically) this team just isn't that good.

Who is the fool? The one who fails to meet expectations or the one who keeps setting them at a bar they can't reach?

This team needs to go about its football business like any other... aim for winning the division, take any playoff games one game at a time and forego a bunch of mediots predictions about the Super Bowl.


This team can't even enjoy winning because when they do its expected.

So now, not only does our 44-6 butt whoopin look better but the Cowboys actually met expectations this year?

Those who are familiar with my post history know that I never thought the Cowboys would make it to the Super Bowl this year.

However, I fully expected them to at least make the Playoffs and with the talent we have, I don't understand how anyone can be considered a "fool" for thinking that.

It would be very interesting to see what Andy Reid could do with the playmakers we have on offense.
 

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jterrell;2554552 said:
I have always wondered how you can underachieve when you have never achieved anything in the first place.

This team gets built up as a Super Bowl champ based on going 13-3 last year but without the key guys from that team being healthy(Romo and Barber specifically) this team just isn't that good.

Who is the fool? The one who fails to meet expectations or the one who keeps setting them at a bar they can't reach?

This team needs to go about its football business like any other... aim for winning the division, take any playoff games one game at a time and forego a bunch of mediots predictions about the Super Bowl.


This team can't even enjoy winning because when they do its expected.
They undermine their hype, their expectations, the dignity of the franchise they play for and the history bestowed upon them to supposedly continue.

Dallas has been so good for so long and through so many eras that it is difficult for fans and observers to fathom why a team not up to the challenge of maintaining the greatness is permitted to dawn the uniform and title of the Dallas Cowboys.

So in that sense they are terrible under achievers, if they were of a franchise without tradition and legacy they would be middle of the pack competent.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2554550 said:
:hammer:

You know Sarge, just looking at all the Playoff teams, it is pretty interesting.

The majority of the teams are full of a bunch of guys and a few stars.

The Cowboys are a team full of a bunch of stars and few guys.

It sickens me to death to see Philadelphia and their no name Offense moving on to the next round.

I wouldn't be suprised at all if they beat the Giants.

ROFL.

The Eagles offense has McNabb and Westbrook, both guys who have been top 5 in NFL MVP races. They are hardly no-name. They also have long time pro bowl offensive tackles.
 

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Aikbach;2554553 said:
All i know is that Dallas would've been eliminated this weekend had they backed into the playoffs, it was merciful to just not attend this season.

Actually, I think Dallas would have had a very good chance of beating the Vikings.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2554571 said:
Actually, I think Dallas would have had a very good chance of beating the Vikings.
I think Adrian Peterson would've had 150 yards and Romo would've been sacked four times and fumbled twice and thrown a pick.

Color me pessimistic as 2008 was just not Dallas' year.
 

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I don't fell any less dissapointed in the way our season fell apart, the losses to Arizona, St Louis, Pittsburgh and Philthy stung the most..

However, it is evident just how loaded our schedule was, but then to be the best you have to beat the best right.. and apart from narrowly losing our lead to Pittsburgh and beating the Giants at home, we never did look the part.

At the end of the day, we shouldn't have needed a cake walk schedule to get us into the playoffs, not with the talent that was assembled on this roster.
 

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TX_Yid;2554576 said:
I don't fell any less dissapointed in the way our season fell apart, the losses to Arizona, St Louis, Pittsburgh and Philthy stung the most..

However, it is evident just how loaded our schedule was, but then to be the best you have to beat the best right.. and apart from narrowly losing our lead to Pittsburgh and beating the Giants at home, we never did look the part.

At the end of the day, we shouldn't have needed a cake walk schedule to get us into the playoffs, not with the talent that was assembled on this roster.
Dallas' own fault, the team should've prevailed against Washington, Arizona and Pittsburgh and Baltimore but made too many mistakes.

Thus 13-3 fell to 9-7.
 

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Aikbach;2554574 said:
I think Adrian Peterson would've had 150 yards and Romo would've been sacked four times and fumbled twice and thrown a pick.

Color me pessimistic as 2008 was just not Dallas' year.

Yeah, he would have been a problem especially seeing how the Ravens were able to rip off big runs on us.

I just think Wade Phillips would have made Tavarius Jackson beat us and I am not so sure he could have done it.

But you may be right. The way we looked against the Eagles, the Detroit Lions may have been able to beat us.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2554580 said:
But you may be right. The way we looked against the Eagles, the Detroit Lions may have been able to beat us.

Heck, the Rams beat us.......wonder how some find solace in that?
 

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Maikeru-sama;2554563 said:
So now, not only does our 44-6 butt whoopin look better but the Cowboys actually met expectations this year?

Those who are familiar with my post history know that I never thought the Cowboys would make it to the Super Bowl this year.

However, I fully expected them to at least make the Playoffs and with the talent we have, I don't understand how anyone can be considered a "fool" for thinking that.

It would be very interesting to see what Andy Reid could do with the playmakers we have on offense.

You mean the talent we had on paper or the guys who played at the level of health they played at?

Witten was hardly a pro bowl caliber player the last month, neither was Romo.

This is the parity era and you don't win with half your roster decimated by injuries and especially with your key players hurt. Philly was awful minus Westbrook and that was just one guy. We got absolutely zilch from Barber the last month and were equally awful.

Andy Reid would pass 50 times a game and lose games he shouldn't then once under fire he'd come up with some masterful big game coaching jobs. Probably not a bad coach but hardly anyone to truly long for.

We are going to get one more year of Wade it seems so its pointless to spend that year in a tear-laden tizzy.

This team had BP here and did not win a single playoff game. Now BP is gone but his "method" is oh so missed as if he actually won anything.

This team has to prove it can win with something on the line, until then they don't deserve high expectations.
 

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JustSayNotoTO;2554400 said:
How does it look better?

I watch a Vikings team WITHOUT A QUARTERBACK score more points than we did last week.



Tavaris Jackson is H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E!
 

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jterrell;2554585 said:
You mean the talent we had on paper or the guys who played at the level of health they played at?

Witten was hardly a pro bowl caliber player the last month, neither was Romo.

This is the parity era and you don't win with half your roster decimated by injuries and especially with your key players hurt. Philly was awful minus Westbrook and that was just one guy. We got absolutely zilch from Barber the last month and were equally awful.

Andy Reid would pass 50 times a game and lose games he shouldn't then once under fire he'd come up with some masterful big game coaching jobs. Probably not a bad coach but hardly anyone to truly long for.

We are going to get one more year of Wade it seems so its pointless to spend that year in a tear-laden tizzy.

This team had BP here and did not win a single playoff game. Now BP is gone but his "method" is oh so missed as if he actually won anything.

This team has to prove it can win with something on the line, until then they don't deserve high expectations.

So making the Playoffs is "High Expectations"?

Injuries were not the reason we were blown out 44-6, it amazes me that people think that.

If we can't even agree on that, there is no need to further debate.
 

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Aikbach;2554579 said:
Dallas' own fault, the team should've prevailed against Washington, Arizona and Pittsburgh and Baltimore but made too many mistakes.

Thus 13-3 fell to 9-7.

Yep, I'm done making excuses for this team, they should have been good enough and had chances but failed to take them... which makes it all the worse to swallow.
 

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Double Trouble;2554529 said:
It's the guy who hasn't won squat without Jimmy Johnson's team. The guy whose veteran players made fun of his #1 draft choices after Jimmy Johnson left.

Keep making homer excuses for them. Jerry and his bank account are hoping you will.

How many Super Bowls did Jimmy win without Jerry signing the checks?

Jimmy's first staff in Dallas was the worst in pro football at the time. JERRY went out and got Zampese to recommend Norv Turner or we would have never had the offense we did.

Jimmy knew how to draft defense and he did so at a great rate here but he was gifted Irvin and Aikman and then talked into Emmitt Smith.

He did a great job as head coach here without doubt but he did not do a one man job. Jerry never gave Jimmy the ability to sign checks and thus he never had full personal control.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2554592 said:
So making the Playoffs is "High Expectations"?

Injuries were not the reason we were blown out 44-6, it amazes me that people think that.

If we can't even agree on that, there is no need to further debate.

When was the last playoff win? Perhaps it was high expectations.

Injuries are why we went 9-7.

We lost 44-6 because we played poorly and they were retardly jacked up singing that gawdawful ear stabbing eagles song all game. The fact we were injured didn't help us though that is to be sure. Does Barber fumble when he is healthy? Does Romo throw ducks when Healthy? Does Roy Williams run routes like a 3rd grader when healthy?

So many Cowboys fans are front-runners. This team isn't that good. If they are here for Super Bowls then they should just go now.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2554509 said:
I knew this was going to happen.

People would start saying that the 44-6 route that eliminated us from Playoff contention looked alot better because the Eagles won.

Just like they did when the Giants won.

The real danger here is I bet this is exactly how Jerry is thinking.

Bye bye Shanahan.
 

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You can't point at one result and say that represents the team.

It's the NFL, every team has good players who on their day can play a great game. For a game to finish 44-6 one team has to have a really good game across the board and the other team has to have an absolute stinker.. that is just what happened in Philly.

That doesn't mean this team is awful and can do nothing. It means they are still capable of coming out and stinking up the joint, they are too inconsistant but they aren't the worst team in the league as a 44-6 loss might suggest.
 

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jterrell;2554603 said:
When was the last playoff win? Perhaps it was high expectations.

Injuries are why we went 9-7.

We lost 44-6 because we played poorly and they were retardly jacked up singing that gawdawful ear stabbing eagles song all game. The fact we were injured didn't help us though that is to be sure. Does Barber fumble when he is healthy? Does Romo throw ducks when Healthy? Does Roy Williams run routes like a 3rd grader when healthy?

So many Cowboys fans are front-runners. This team isn't that good. If they are here for Super Bowls then they should just go now.

Tony Romo looked extremely well towards the end of the Ravens game.

So now Marion Barber fumbled because of his toe?

Troy Aikman has long criticized Roy Williams for his route running, his health has nothing to do with it.

I am going to ask you again, when the fans expect the 2008 Dallas Cowboys to "MAKE IT" into the Playoffs, why do you consider it Front Running and setting the expectations too high?

Anybody here ever notice that when you have the nerve to question the Dallas Cowboys, you have zealots that start throwing out phrases like "front-runners".

I'm far from a front-runner.
 

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jterrell;2554603 said:
Injuries are why we went 9-7.

Thats b/s. It definitely contributed, but we lost those last two games because the team was totally unprepared to play, came out flat and got their rear ends kicked both games because they mailed it in. Bad tackling has nothing to do with injuries. Being unable to even get in front of your opoosing defensive player is not due to injuries. Having the QB throw bone headed pick afetr bone headed pick has nothing to do with injuries.

We lost 44-6 because we played poorly and they were retardly jacked up singing that gawdawful ear stabbing eagles song all game. The fact we were injured didn't help us though that is to be sure. Does Barber fumble when he is healthy? Does Romo throw ducks when Healthy? Does Roy Williams run routes like a 3rd grader when healthy?

huh?

as for the other stuff, yeah Barber has fumbled alot this yr. And what does a toe injury have to do with fumbling anyway? Romo throws stupid picks when he is healthy. I'm not sure what RW's issue was, but he didnt ever look like the player we thought we were getting.

So many Cowboys fans are front-runners. This team isn't that good. If they are here for Super Bowls then they should just go now.

sure they are...alot of other teams fans are fair weatehr fans too...but when you have a loaded roster that is universally regarded as one of the 2 or 3 most talented teams in the league, finishing 9-7, geting your teeth kicked in in a play in game and missing the playoffs altogether just doesnt cut it.

There simply isnt any excuse for the garbage we saw this yr. we had some injuries, but the bottom line is there was plenty enough talent here to be in the playoffs and have some success, and we did niether.
 

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jterrell;2554397 said:
It sucks losing... ever, under any circumstance.

Going 9-7 is so far from acceptable it isn't even funny.

All that said this 9-7 looks a whole lot better after today's games.
2 of the teams who beat us won going away.

If you are keeping score at home that means Dallas faced 7 games against teams who made it week 2 of the NFL playoffs.

Out of a 16 week schedule that is flatly ridiculous.

I know that this team is not as bad as most posters on this board seem to think. Some of the posts on this board have been really ridiculous.
 
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