McFadden vs Morris

[KJJ]

And like a mindless parrot you mindlessly keep spouting out "facts" without any added context.

Sure 1,090 yards doesn't look that impressive in a vacuum. But when you add the actual context of him playing without Romo, without Dez, starting only 11 games against defenses that were geared to stop the run and dare Weeden and Cassel to pass the ball, it changes the narrative.

But I get it. You like shiny new toys. You got an agenda and bygolly, you're gonna push it.

I've provided nothing but content to backup the facts I've pointed out. You're the last one who should be claiming others are like a mindless parrot when all you've been doing is squawking like one defending an RB who the Cowboys used the #4 overall pick to replace. Seeing you want to continue to argue, McFadden didn't have a Tony Romo or Dez Bryant in Oakland in 2010 when he rushed for 1157 yards, averaging 5.2 a carry and scoring 10 TD's in 14 games. Explain to me how he was able to do that behind a lesser OL than he had last season with Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski as his QBs who combined for 3400 yards with both having crappy passer ratings?

How was he able to do it with the Raiders leading receiver Zack Miller producing only 60 catches for 685 yards? I got news for you McFadden had a worse QB and WR situation in Oakland in 2010 which had every opponent gearing to try and stop him. Chew on that! Lol The only one with an agenda is you tying to come up with excuses for the season McFadden had that some here have convinced themselves was a great season. We currently have two backs on the team that are better than him. Unless Zeke or Morris gets hurt McFadden isn't going to see a whole lot of carries this season if he even makes the team.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I've provided nothing but content to backup the facts I've pointed out. You're the last one who should be claiming others are like a mindless parrot when all you've been doing is squawking like one defending an RB who the Cowboys used the #4 overall pick to replace. Seeing you want to continue to argue, McFadden didn't have a Tony Romo or Dez Bryant in Oakland in 2010 when he rushed for 1157 yards, averaging 5.2 a carry and scoring 10 TD's in 14 games. Explain to me how he was able to do that behind a lesser OL than he had last season with Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski as his QBs who combined for 3400 yards with both having crappy passer ratings?

How was he able to do it with the Raiders leading receiver Zack Miller producing only 60 catches for 685 yards? I got news for you McFadden had a worse QB and WR situation in Oakland in 2010 which had every opponent gearing to try and stop him. Chew on that! Lol The only one with an agenda is you tying to come up with excuses for the season McFadden had that some here have convinced themselves was a great season. We currently have two backs on the team that are better than him. Unless Zeke or Morris gets hurt McFadden isn't going to see a whole lot of carries this season if he even makes the team.

And your brainless blathering continues....you've mistaken providing "content" with actually providing something worthwhile, informative, objective and most importantly factual provided in context. Rather, you've posted nothing but agenda driven screeds.

First, comparing two teams from five separate years apart and acting if you're comparing apples-to-apples is beyond dumb, but since your limitations are evident, I'll engage. I got news for you, the Raiders QB situation was much more consistent and efficient than what the Cowboys ran out there in 2015. This is just another example of you mindlessly saying things and talking out your rear. Let's examine the lead QBs from each team (QB w/most starts and attempts):

Jason Campbell
329/194 (att/comp.)
59% completion pct.
13 TDs/8 INTs
84.5 QB rating
183 Passing YPG
7-5 (W/L record as starting QB)

Matt Cassel
204/119 (att/comp.)
58.3% completion pct.
5 TDs/7 INTs
70.6 QB rating
141 Passing YPG
1-6 (W/L record as starting QB)

Let me guess...."buh, buh, I just misspoke again."

 

[KJJ]

And your brainless blathering continues....

Speak for yourself, I've shot down everything you've come up with. You're running around like a chicken with their head cut off trying to defend a back who's going to be replaced in the starting lineup. Now run along before your current username gets terminated. Lol

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Speak for yourself, I've shot down everything you've come up with. You're running around like a chicken with their head cut off trying to defend a back who's going to be replaced in the starting lineup. Now run along before your current username gets terminated. Lol

No you haven't. You claimed you "misspoke" and tucked your tail and tried to change subjects. So I just put the numbers out there (post #102) for you in the last post regarding Jason Campbell and Matt Cassel comparatively. Remember, you claimed the Raiders had a muuuuuuch worse QB situation than the Cowboys last year. Shoot down the numbers.

Or, did you "misspoke" again?

 

[KJJ]

No you haven't. You claimed you "misspoke" and tucked your tail and tried to change subjects. So I just put the numbers out there (post #102) for you in the last post regarding Jason Campbell and Matt Cassel comparatively. Remember, you claimed the Raiders had a muuuuuuch worse QB situation than the Cowboys last year. Shoot down the numbers.

Or, did you "misspoke" again?

No one is tucking in their tail you're just back to your old crap. Different username same old crap. I misspoke about McFadden having under a 4.0 average in the two full games Romo played. It was only in one game and you're continuing to make an issue out of that? I have you grabbing for anything you can. Lol Dude, you left out Weeden's numbers and despite them being very good McFadden only averaged over 3.2 per carry in one game with Weeden. Against NO in a game Weeden played very solid, McFadden averaged only 3.1 a carry on 10 carries.

By the way you forgot Gradkowski's numbers in Oakland from 2010 he had 4 starts that season and had the same 5 TD to 7 int ratio Cassel had but Gradkowski had a lower completion percentage and a lower passer rating. You keep blaming our QB and WR situation for McFadden's lack of production and I keep shooting you down. It's like target practice shooting down everything you throw up. You'll have nothing left to toss up but BS when I get through.

 

[Galian Beast]

What complete nonsense.

Romo played in just two complete games and one of those was coming back off of injury. It really only can be described as sheer lunacy that people look at last year and act like Romo not being on the field wasn't the primary reason for the downfall of the team.

Romo not playing impacted everything, from offensive efficiency, converting 3rd downs, scoring opportunities, the effectiveness of the run game, putting pressure on the defense in terms of not putting up points and being on the field longer, et cetera.

It would probably help you if you actually watched the games. Romo was in on 4 games, and the offense never looked productive in them. Simple as that.

 

[Galian Beast]

They didn't put up much quality defense either. Remember the Giants waltzing down the field to end the game week 1, only to brain fart themselves into a loss? They were just trying to kill the clock and still mounted an 80 yard drive. How long are we going to ignore this defense's knack for complete 4th quarter meltdowns?


This is complete and total rationalization.

Fact of the matter is we have playmakers all over the offensive side of the ball. We don't on defense. We have 1, and he gets hurt a lot.

You only get a top 5 pick every so often unless you are in Cleveland, so you don't blow it to "emphasize a strength." That's what you do when your team is already pretty good and you are picking in the 20's. Maybe someday you will learn that.

Is this defense better or worse than the 2014 defense?

It's objectively better. Emphasizing a strength is how you end up a world class team that has an identity versus an average team with a defensive player on an island somewhere. We didn't win with DeMarcus Ware, but somehow some overrated corner was going to resolve all of our issues on defense? No. You get minimal help there.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

NFI DMC wait until week 6 and see where we are. If DJ is coming on then release him and thank him for his service.

 

[ufcrules1]

Zeke = the star bell cow

Morris = the durable backup with great attitude that can spell Zeke in the SAME blocking scheme

Dunbar = the stellar 3rd down open space guy with HR potential

Jackson = the cheap special teamer who shows great promise and is similar in style to Morris

McFadden = the veteran who plays no special teams and requires a different blocking scheme


Which is the odd man out?

I don't think anything should have been said after this post. You nailed it!

 

[wileedog]

Is this defense better or worse than the 2014 defense?

Is this offense still ridiculously better then the 2014 defense, or the 2016 defense? Yes, yes it is. Even without Zeke.

It's objectively better. Emphasizing a strength is how you end up a world class team that has an identity versus an average team with a defensive player on an island somewhere. We didn't win with DeMarcus Ware, but somehow some overrated corner was going to resolve all of our issues on defense? No. You get minimal help there.

Again, no an "overrated" corner was not going to solve all of our issues on defense. But it would solve at least one issue. Which is that we have 3 guys in the secondary who are quite mediocre at best. Drafting a RB doesn't help that, nor does it solve any particular problem the team has. We were a top rushing team last year without Zeke. We would have been just fine this year with Morris.

We blew a top 5 pick to solve a problem we didn't have.

 

[KJJ]

It is amazing how many fans want to settle for mediocrity at RB......McFadden was irrelevant the moment we drafted EE....the idea of a great RB behind this great OL is awesome and pay huge dividends

What's amazing is how many have convinced themselves that McFadden had a great season and would have been happy with him producing the same numbers this season as the starter. I'm convinced those who were satisfied with McFadden's production last season weren't around during the Cowboys championship years with Emmitt Smith or Tony Dorsett.

 

[Nightman]

What's amazing is how many have convinced themselves that McFadden had a great season and would have been happy with him producing the same numbers this season as the starter. I'm convinced those who were satisfied with McFadden's production last season weren't around during the Cowboys championship years with Emmitt Smith or Tony Dorsett.

He finished 800 yds and 10 TDs short of what Murray got the year before and we let him walk

 

[KJJ]

He finished 800 yds and 10 TDs short of what Murray got the year before and we let him walk

Even with all the yards Murray gained and scoring 13 rushing TD's many were critical of him complaining he was slow, had no vision and left yards on the field. McFadden on the other hand received praise by many for what they considered a great year despite 800 fewer yards and 10 fewer TD's than what Murray got the previous year. No stranger fanbase than this one.

 

[Nightman]

Even with all the yards Murray gained and scoring 13 rushing TD's many were critical of him complaining he was slow, had no vision and left yards on the field. McFadden on the other hand received praise by many for what they considered a great year despite 800 fewer yards and 10 fewer TD's than what Murray got the previous year. No stranger fanbase than this one.

the difference between the 2 seasons, 800 yds and 10 TDs, would be more valuable than McFadden's season

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

No one is tucking in their tail you're just back to your old crap. Different username same old crap. I misspoke about McFadden having under a 4.0 average in the two full games Romo played. It was only in one game and you're continuing to make an issue out of that? I have you grabbing for anything you can. Lol Dude, you left out Weeden's numbers and despite them being very good McFadden only averaged over 3.2 per carry in one game with Weeden. Against NO in a game Weeden played very solid, McFadden averaged only 3.1 a carry on 10 carries.

By the way you forgot Gradkowski's numbers in Oakland from 2010 he had 4 starts that season and had the same 5 TD to 7 int ratio Cassel had but Gradkowski had a lower completion percentage and a lower passer rating. You keep blaming our QB and WR situation for McFadden's lack of production and I keep shooting you down. It's like target practice shooting down everything you throw up. You'll have nothing left to toss up but BS when I get through.

Loool, and in true cowardly fashion you're attempting to ignore the information provided that flies in the face of your bunk claim. Not so fast...

Let me walk you through this little one. We are looking at Jason Campbell and Matt Cassel because these are the two QBs McFadden played with the most during the 2010 (w/Raiders) and 2015 seasons.

Jason Campbell
329/194 (att/comp.)
59% completion pct.
13 TDs/8 INTs
84.5 QB rating
183 Passing YPG
7-5 (W/L record as starting QB)

Matt Cassel
204/119 (att/comp.)
58.3% completion pct.
5 TDs/7 INTs
70.6 QB rating
141 Passing YPG
1-6 (W/L record as starting QB)

C'mon now, man up and address these numbers or fess up and tell me you "misspoke" again.

 

[wileedog]

He finished 800 yds and 10 TDs short of what Murray got the year before and we let him walk

Having 153 less carries and no QB play to speak of will do that.

 

[Nightman]

Having 153 less carries and no QB play to speak of will do that.

he got all the carries he earned and could handle.....he couldn't beat out Randle......a guy the Cowboys left on the bench while Murray got 400 touches but then anointed the next year

 

[KJJ]

Loool, and in true cowardly fashion you're attempting to ignore the information provided that flies in the face of your bunk claim. Not so fast...

Let me walk you through this little one. We are looking at Jason Campbell and Matt Cassel because these are the two QBs McFadden played with the most during the 2010 (w/Raiders) and 2015 seasons.

Jason Campbell
329/194 (att/comp.)
59% completion pct.
13 TDs/8 INTs
84.5 QB rating
183 Passing YPG
7-5 (W/L record as starting QB)

Matt Cassel
204/119 (att/comp.)
58.3% completion pct.
5 TDs/7 INTs
70.6 QB rating
141 Passing YPG
1-6 (W/L record as starting QB)

C'mon now, man up and address these numbers or fess up and tell me you "misspoke" again.

You're back to the same crap that got your last account deleted. You're lucky I don't run things here because those of you who get the boot and return wouldn't last more than a couple of days. Dude, you have an agenda you're comparing Campbell from 2010 and Cassel from last season but leaving out Weeden's numbers in his 3 starts and Gradkowski's numbers in his 4 starts from 2010. McFadden played with Romo in 4 games and only averaged over 4.0 a carry in one game. In Weeden's best game last season McFadden averaged 3.1 a carry which put the game on Weeden's shoulders. Everything you've posted has been shot down like a bunch of sitting ducks so stop wasting my time....yawn!

 

[the_h0wey]

Here are some key stats that I think everyone should take a look at.

Despite McFadden coming into the league in 2008, because of his injury history he has a total of 1277 carries. Alfred Morris has 1078.

McFadden has 45 runs of 20 yards or more and 11 of 40 yards or more. Morris has 32 and 2 respectively.

I'm sure people are ready to say that McFadden is the way to get because of the speed burst he has over Morris... Let me ask you to hold off for a moment.

We establish that McFadden has 199 carries more than Morris. Well, Morris has 220 first downs to McFadden's 226. He has just as many first downs with about 200 carries less than McFadden... He also has 29 touchdowns to McFadden's 28.

Morris has a career average of 4.4 yards per carry whereas McFadden has a 4.2.

Imagine how much these numbers shift if you take out the 239 carries that McFadden had behind the Cowboy offensive line... That takes away 52 first downs.

I would say that the slight burst advantage that McFadden gives you isn't anywhere near valuable enough to play him over Morris.

Where I will tip my hat to McFadden is that he is a more well-rounded running back than Morris. He can catch out of the backfield. He is a threat in space. The problem here is that I think you have a much more viable threat in space with Dunbar than McFadden.

Ultimately, I don't see McFadden having a spot on this team.

Give me Morris in the 3rd round. TKO by arm bar

 

[wileedog]

he got all the carries he earned and could handle.....he couldn't beat out Randle......a guy the Cowboys left on the bench while Murray got 400 touches but then anointed the next year

What are you talking about? He did beat out Randle. Randle didn't go off he rails until he started losing carries to McFadden.

If McFadden had been given the job out of camp - which he obviously should have been, not his fault the coaches wanted to try and make Randle something he wasn't - McFadden would have had a slightly worse season than Murray statistically. He averaged 4.6 YPC to Murray's 4.7, and that with everyone on the defense in the box because no one cared about Weeden/Cassel/Moore. TDs obviously were way off but again I think that is a factor of having no passing game to speak of.

I really don't get how the 4th leading rusher in the league last year who only started 10 games is somehow a nightmare to some folks, yet marching Church/Carr/Mo out there every game is A-OK. And I say this as someone who very much wants Morris to replace him.