McFaddens top 100 players vid

[guag]

My problem with the optimism that any back can run behind this line is a great disservice to
the art of running the football at the pro level.This isn't an electric football game.

This post needs more attention.

 

[xwalker]

It's from a few years back but it's interesting to hear what his peers have to say about him.

I've studied his 2014 game footage and he seems the same physically to me.

I have no concerns about his talent. He will be very good if healthy. The injury issue is always there, but it was a concern with Murray as well.

 

[CyberB0b]

Interesting 2012 season he had.

 

[gmoney112]

Yes, I go by a site that is known to do in-depth analysis and statistical data rather than someone on a message board giving me his opinion that came from brief viewing of games with his brilliant "eye test" observations. Then that same person gives the cop out and pretends he has no idea where to find this information.

And I call bull**** that you didn't know that the highly scrutinized Dolphins line wasn't considered to be if not the worst, but near the worst offensive line in the league.

PFF sucks. I love dudes that don't watch football and link to PFF like it's some sort of moratorium on factual NFL information.

My best friend is a Dolphins fan. and I got to watch plenty of games. Their OL isn't bad at all in the run game.

In fact, if we're linking stats, I'll use Football Outsiders which is a much more respected (by anyone with sense) resource than PFF. According to Football Outsiders, the Dolphins have a top 10 OL in rushing.

Boom.

 

[mattjames2010]

PFF sucks. I love dudes that don't watch football and link to PFF like it's some sort of moratorium on factual NFL information.

My best friend is a Dolphins fan. and I got to watch plenty of games. Their OL isn't bad at all in the run game.

In fact, if we're linking stats, I'll use Football Outsiders which is a much more respected (by anyone with sense) resource than PFF. According to Football Outsiders, the Dolphins have a top 10 OL in rushing.

Boom.

Much more respected? I've seen just as many criticisms of Football Outsiders as PFF, that's a ******** claim due to your personal preference.

Again, your "eye test" means very little. While we can sit and debate if the Dolphins run blocking was the absolute worst in the league or not, it doesn't matter, simple fact is that it was without a doubt a bad run blocking line.

 

[gmoney112]

Much more respected? I've seen just as many criticisms of Football Outsiders as PFF, that's a bull**** claim due to your personal preference.

Again, your "eye test" means very little. While we can sit and debate if the Dolphins run blocking was the absolute worst in the league or not, it doesn't matter, simple fact is that it was without a doubt a bad run blocking line.

Well, first off. Football Outsiders statistics are actually much more relevant and in depth to actual success. PFF uses lazy statistics and the guy doesn't even know the responsibility of half the players before assigning grades. It's laughable. FO's defensive information is gold, and their offensive stats (which are hard to do for anyone) actually use about as good a system as you can use. Regardless, it was simply a resource to put out the fallacy in your argument, which by you admitting FO was just as BS as PFF, proved my point that your argument is, to be frank... complete doo doo.

Actually we can't sit and debate about the Dolphins OL in run blocking, because you watched 0 games and are using one reference, that you stated, admittedly is just as BS as another resource. My opinion comes from actually watching them perform and run blocking for OL, something you have not done and still feel like you have a right to form an opinion on the subject.

By all means continue, but just know you're a boat adrift, because the wind has been completely taken out of your sails.

 

[mattjames2010]

Well, first off. Football Outsiders statistics are actually much more relevant and in depth to actual success. PFF uses lazy statistics and the guy doesn't even know the responsibility of half the players before assigning grades. It's laughable. FO's defensive information is gold, and their offensive stats (which are hard to do for anyone) actually use about as good a system as you can use. Regardless, it was simply a resource to put out the fallacy in your argument, which by you admitting FO was just as BS as PFF, proved my point that your argument is, to be frank... complete doo doo.

Actually we can't sit and debate about the Dolphins OL in run blocking, because you watched 0 games and are using one reference, that you stated, admittedly is just as BS as another resource. My opinion comes from actually watching them perform and run blocking for OL, something you have not done and still feel like you have a right to form an opinion on the subject.

By all means continue, but just know you're a boat adrift, because the wind has been completely taken out of your sails.

I have absolutely nothing against Football Outsiders. FO actually takes RB success into account far more than what PFF does, whether you agree with that or not, that's on you. However, grading out the offensive lineman? They were terrible and just got worse once Albert went down.

And while I didn't watch all 16 games the Dolphins played in, I watched several due to my fantasy league and having a few players from the Dolphins. But I'm not going to pretend I sat and analyzed the offensive line play, like your claims. Again, your "eye test" means nothing.

As for a single source, no. PFF is certainly the most credible when it comes to grading out offensive lineman, a power ranking being pushed up due to the year Lamar Miller had (Which FO does) actually lends more evidence to what started this discussion: Good RBs can find success behind bad offensive lines.

Nothing has been taken out of my sails, you need to understand the sites you're going by. Both FO and PFF are credible sites.

 

[Jstopper]

Three years ago? You realize he only missed last year right (suspension) right?

Wrong. That was in 2012. In 2013 he had 1200. In 2014 he was shut down. Now we are in 2015. 3 years later.

 

[Galian Beast]

Wrong. That was in 2012. In 2013 he had 1200. In 2014 he was shut down. Now we are in 2015. 3 years later.

He played two years ago.... That's the point... and he played well. You're skipping a year, either because you have an agenda or you can't do math...

 

[Jstopper]

He played two years ago.... That's the point... and he played well. You're skipping a year, either because you have an agenda or you can't do math...

Dude are you dense? I know he played. I specifically said he got 1200 the year after his 2000 yard year. Was 2012 not 3 season ago dude? My point is that he wasn't phenomenal after his 2000 yard season but everyone is banking on getting the 2000 yard Peterson. I wouldnt count on that.

 

[gmoney112]

Dude are you dense? I know he played. I specifically said he got 1200 the year after his 2000 yard year. Was 2012 not 3 season ago dude? My point is that he wasn't phenomenal after his 2000 yard season but everyone is banking on getting the 2000 yard Peterson. I wouldnt count on that.

Haha, I see your point.

It is doubtful he'd be the 2000 yard Peterson that he was in Minny, that's just crazy production.

But I wouldn't put it past him to get 2000 yards here behind this OL, if healthy for 16 games.

If you couldn't tell, I'm on the AD bandwagon.

On another note, I saw him play in high school (he grew up pretty close to where I did), and man... that was awesome. A solid mixture of impressiveness and pity for the other teams. You could tell they just didn't even want to tackle him. He'd just leave a slew of bodies in his wake.

 

[Galian Beast]

Dude are you dense? I know he played. I specifically said he got 1200 the year after his 2000 yard year. Was 2012 not 3 season ago dude? My point is that he wasn't phenomenal after his 2000 yard season but everyone is banking on getting the 2000 yard Peterson. I wouldnt count on that.

You've assumed too much.

AP doesn't get 2000 yards per season... a lot of factors go into his results.

First he missed 2 games in 2013. He also had far fewer carries in 2013. There was also a QB carousel that was much less effective in 2013 than 2012. Minnesota's defense also fell apart in 2013 where they had the worst defense in the NFL. As a result they passed a significant number more times in 2013 than 2012.

Playing from behind with a poor offense around you, yeah, your numbers might dip...

 

[NextGenBoys]

All the comparisons aside.....
IF he can find that burst for 3 or 4 times a game (gaining 10-15 yards a clip) we just might be okay with the trio of McFadden/Joseph/Williams

Very good point.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

What abilities? Randle doing well in limited carries behind a workhorse RB? Dunbar's limited receptions as a scatback? Williams hasn't done anything the NFL, he looked decent in preseason, that is all.

None of this should evoke confidence in fans or even our staff. Liking what you saw in their limited opportunities? I get that. But you have to understand that this is a big risk and you should have a better backup plan than relying on this group of big unknowns.

In the o-lines ability.

Sorry I didn't spell that out more clearly.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

It's from a few years back but it's interesting to hear what his peers have to say about him.

Does the Raiders management know about these vids? do they know what a goldmine they half released?

 

[CATCH17]

Does the Raiders management know about these vids? do they know what a goldmine they half released?

Wonder if they knew about McClain?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Wonder if they knew about McClain?

Yeah, that legend McClain. I cant wait for his HOF induction.

 

[31smackdown]

Interesting 2012 season he had.

I think they had a new head coach(Dennis Allen) and moved to a zone blocking scheme under Frank Pollack that year. Greg Knapp was also brought over from Houston as the offensive coordinator. That was the only year they had what most consider a solid QB with Carson Palmer, but a new coaching team and scheme, all new to their position, I'm sure didn't help. Mcfadden suffered a high ankle sprain against Tampa. If you look at the players and changes that have happened while Mcfadden have been there it's been really unstable and lacking in talent and consistency.

 

[CyberB0b]

I think they had a new head coach(Dennis Allen) and moved to a zone blocking scheme under Frank Pollack that year. Greg Knapp was also brought over from Houston as the offensive coordinator. That was the only year they had what most consider a solid QB with Carson Palmer, but a new coaching team and scheme, all new to their position, I'm sure didn't help. Mcfadden suffered a high ankle sprain against Tampa. If you look at the players and changes that have happened while Mcfadden have been there it's been really unstable and lacking in talent and consistency.

He posted similar stats in 2013 and 2014. 3 straight years. I think we can call that a trend and not a fluke. There are plenty of examples of running backs who produce with suspect QB play and bad teams throughout the years. Look at Alfred Morris.

 

[31smackdown]

He posted similar stats in 2013 and 2014. 3 straight years. I think we can call that a trend and not a fluke. There are plenty of examples of running backs who produce with suspect QB play and bad teams throughout the years. Look at Alfred Morris.

But if you read any of the dialog that goes with 2012, the offensive line is continuously called out and McFadden is continually praised as being a special player and not the reason for problem. Oh and then they fired their offensive coordinator after that year, hired a new one and started 3 different QB's in 2013, including Terrelle Pryor for 9 games. Then they fired their head coach after starting 0-4 in 2014. The team is a wreck.