McQeary Testifies...

[Cajuncowboy]

That's not accurate. He was Vice President of Business and Finance. The force was part of what he oversaw in that role but unlike a commissioner, he had no training in law enforcement.

He had direct oversight. He was their boss. He should have directed the department to investigate. That was his job. At the very minimum he should have directed others to them if he was unwilling.

 

[03EBZ06]

Actually, Paterno said he contacted his boss either Saturday or Monday. At 84 I'm sure he doesn't remember what exact day he told anyone something that happened nearly a decade ago.

I don't doubt Paterno memories isn't very clear at his age and what took place 10 yeares ago, but he did wait at least a day to report to his boss. Even waiting one day is too long in my opinion, in my mind, there isn't really any justification for his delayed reporting, given the seriousness nature of the incident.

 

[AbeBeta]

He had direct oversight. He was their boss. He should have directed the department to investigate. That was his job. At the very minimum he should have directed others to them if he was unwilling.

He certainly should have -- however, it is BS that someone would think that going to him would be the same as going to the police. You'd have to look at some sort of organizational flow chart to determine that he oversees the police force.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

He certainly should have -- however, it is BS that someone would think that going to him would be the same as going to the police. You'd have to look at some sort of organizational flow chart to determine that he oversees the police force.

Why? If you know that he oversees it why would you need a flowchart?

I would imagine that was the reason he was included anyway.

 

[joseephuss]

The flow chart is easy. Paterno is at the top and everyone else is below him. Sure other guys have titles that may imply they have more power than Paterno, but JoePa was in charge. That was the reason he essentially threw the university president and AD out of his home when they timidly asked him to resign years ago. He was in charge and would make those decisions on his own.

Now how all of that plays into this ordeal, I don't know. Perhaps all these other guys did not take the situation as seriously as they should because they didn't see Paterno make it a priority. Perhaps they thought they were doing Paterno a favor in some sort of weird way by not involving the university in a big investigation. Perhaps they wanted to somehow undermine Paterno and his power. Whatever it is, many people failed to do the right thing. And now they are paying for it.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

The flow chart is easy. Paterno is at the top and everyone else is below him. Sure other guys have titles that may imply they have more power than Paterno, but JoePa was in charge. That was the reason he essentially threw the university president and AD out of his home when they timidly asked him to resign years ago. He was in charge and would make those decisions on his own.

Now how all of that plays into this ordeal, I don't know. Perhaps all these other guys did not take the situation as seriously as they should because they didn't see Paterno make it a priority. Perhaps they thought they were doing Paterno a favor in some sort of weird way by not involving the university in a big investigation. Perhaps they wanted to somehow undermine Paterno and his power. Whatever it is, many people failed to do the right thing. And now they are paying for it.

Ummm, if he was at the top of the flow chart how did he get fired?

That is simply not true.

 

[joseephuss]

Ummm, if he was at the top of the flow chart how did he get fired?

That is simply not true.

Paterno was Penn St. He was the man. Like I said, I don't know what part that plays in this whole thing, but it would be foolish to think Paterno didn't hold more influence at Penn St than the AD or president. It is that amount of influence or at least perceived influence as to why Paterno's name is the one most mentioned during this time.

It is that perceived influence on his own that made Paterno state after announcing he would retire after the season that the board of regents didn't need to worry about him anymore and could focus their attention on other matters. I guess if you want to be particular about it, then the Board of Regents is at the top of the flowchart and Paterno is under them. And would wager he held more influence than them most of the time during his tenure at PSU.

And Paterno isn't the only one that got fired. The axe will continue to fall on others, whether that be a firing or criminal charges.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Paterno was Penn St. He was the man. Like I said, I don't know what part that plays in this whole thing, but it would be foolish to think Paterno didn't hold more influence at Penn St than the AD or president. It is that amount of influence or at least perceived influence as to why Paterno's name is the one most mentioned during this time.

It is that perceived influence on his own that made Paterno state after announcing he would retire after the season that the board of regents didn't need to worry about him anymore and could focus their attention on other matters. I guess if you want to be particular about it, then the Board of Regents is at the top of the flowchart and Paterno is under them. And would wager he held more influence than them most of the time during his tenure at PSU.

And Paterno isn't the only one that got fired. The axe will continue to fall on others, whether that be a firing or criminal charges.

He may have more influence but not when it comes to the others doing their job. And He could have been fired at anytime. People need to stop with the Paterno was God thing. It obviously isn't true. To suggest that Paterno covered anything up within the administration without any proof is just grasping at nonexistent straws.

 

[joseephuss]

He may have more influence but not when it comes to the others doing their job. And He could have been fired at anytime. People need to stop with the Paterno was God thing. It obviously isn't true. To suggest that Paterno covered anything up within the administration without any proof is just grasping at nonexistent straws.

I didn't suggest that. That wasn't part of my discussion at all. Nor do I believe that is the case. I simply have an opinion that Paterno held a lot of influence at the university and probably the most influence. We can disagree about that, but don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He may have more influence but not when it comes to the others doing their job. And He could have been fired at anytime. People need to stop with the Paterno was God thing. It obviously isn't true. To suggest that Paterno covered anything up within the administration without any proof is just grasping at nonexistent straws.

The entire 'God' thing was perpetuated by Penn State people for decades.

He knew about the 1998 incident. It's ridiculous to try and claim otherwise.

I think the '98 incident was handled by DA Gricar and the police and when it came back with nothing as far as substantial proof goes, Paterno and PSU basically told Sandusky to retire (otherwise, he could have gotten another position somewhere else). Then the 2002 incident in which McQueary *witnessed* and there was obviously a coverup on Schultz and Curley's part.

Whether or not Paterno helped cover it up or not isn't really that much of an issue with me. Even if Paterno didn't actually try to cover it up, he was either completely out-of-touch and was so focused on football or was far more worried about his legacy than the victims.

I don't think they did anything wrong in '98. But in 2002, with McQueary witnessing it, Paterno's behavior was inexcusable.








YR

 

[burmafrd]

One thing I do not understand is this business about campus police. Saying they should have jurisdiction. On child molestation charges?

Campus police do not have courts and prosecuters for such things, right?

So why this did not go straight to the local city or county police and prosecuters still puzzles me.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I didn't suggest that. That wasn't part of my discussion at all. Nor do I believe that is the case. I simply have an opinion that Paterno held a lot of influence at the university and probably the most influence. We can disagree about that, but don't put words in my mouth.

Well, then what was the point of the "influence" comment other than to say that Paterno had some kind of "influence" over the situation?

 

[Cajuncowboy]

One thing I do not understand is this business about campus police. Saying they should have jurisdiction. On child molestation charges?

Campus police do not have courts and prosecuters for such things, right?

So why this did not go straight to the local city or county police and prosecuters still puzzles me.

Because they are generally the first to respond to issues and they have immediate jurisdiction and arresting authority. That's why.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

The entire 'God' thing was perpetuated by Penn State people for decades.

He knew about the 1998 incident. It's ridiculous to try and claim otherwise.

I think the '98 incident was handled by DA Gricar and the police and when it came back with nothing as far as substantial proof goes, Paterno and PSU basically told Sandusky to retire (otherwise, he could have gotten another position somewhere else). Then the 2002 incident in which McQueary *witnessed* and there was obviously a coverup on Schultz and Curley's part.

Whether or not Paterno helped cover it up or not isn't really that much of an issue with me. Even if Paterno didn't actually try to cover it up, he was either completely out-of-touch and was so focused on football or was far more worried about his legacy than the victims.

I don't think they did anything wrong in '98. But in 2002, with McQueary witnessing it, Paterno's behavior was inexcusable.


YR

Paterno's mistake was thinking that the Campus police would handle it and they didn't. He should have went to the local police as well but didn't. That was his mistake. Using terms like inexcusable are simply used to try to make something seem like something it isn't. Further we just found out that McQueary testified that he watered down what he witnesses when talking to Paterno. So quite possibly at this point, the stories have changed since a decade ago.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Paterno's mistake was thinking that the Campus police would handle it and they didn't. He should have went to the local police as well but didn't. That was his mistake. Using terms like inexcusable are simply used to try to make something seem like something it isn't. Further we just found out that McQueary testified that he watered down what he witnesses when talking to Paterno. So quite possibly at this point, the stories have changed since a decade ago.

Sandusky was still on campus and nothing had happened to him afterward. It never piqued his interest as to why, particularly when a trusted assistant coach witnessed it. Yes, it was 'watered down' in the sense McQueary claims he did not use anal rape or ****** as terms, but McQueary said it was of a sexual nature and it was wrong...to the point where Paterno said 'I'm sorry you had to see that.'

It's inexcusable that Sandusky was allowed to go onto campus, Paterno knew about the 2002 and 1998 incidents and never wondered why he was still roaming around.





YR

 

[Vintage]

One thing I do not understand is this business about campus police. Saying they should have jurisdiction. On child molestation charges?

Campus police do not have courts and prosecuters for such things, right?

So why this did not go straight to the local city or county police and prosecuters still puzzles me.

A lot of times, police don't respond quickly. When I still lived in Milwaukee, my roommates/I had our apartment broken into. We called the police.

And waited for the police.

For hours. About two or three hours later, the police finally arrived to do fingerprinting, etc.

After about 30 minutes of the police not showing up, we called our campus police. They responded in about 2 minutes. After that, whenever we had issues, we just called campus police. Their response time was never over 5 minutes.

Typical of the MPD. When stuff like this occurs, they are nowhere to be found. But hey, underage drinking..... suddenly they storm the campus like the Bastille.

I trusted them (campus police) far more than MPD.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why? If you know that he oversees it why would you need a flowchart?

I would imagine that was the reason he was included anyway.

Yes, a serious crime was possibly committed, let us include the VP of Business and Finance, he is technically the person who has the police under him, so he's obviously the best person to determine if a crime was committed. That he has no police training is irrelevant.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Yes, a serious crime was possibly committed, let us include the VP of Business and Finance, he is technically the person who has the police under him, so he's obviously the best person to determine if a crime was committed. That he has no police training is irrelevant.

Ummm, he was the head of the police. regardless, they went to the top person. Can't get anymore involved than that from the campus police standpoint. You are whining about something for the sake of whining.

 

[burmafrd]

A lot of times, police don't respond quickly. When I still lived in Milwaukee, my roommates/I had our apartment broken into. We called the police.

And waited for the police.

For hours. About two or three hours later, the police finally arrived to do fingerprinting, etc.

After about 30 minutes of the police not showing up, we called our campus police. They responded in about 2 minutes. After that, whenever we had issues, we just called campus police. Their response time was never over 5 minutes.

Typical of the MPD. When stuff like this occurs, they are nowhere to be found. But hey, underage drinking..... suddenly they storm the campus like the Bastille.

I trusted them (campus police) far more than MPD.

my problem with them is this: they have a VESTED interest in protecting the school. Which I bet is what happened in this case.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

One thing I do not understand is this business about campus police. Saying they should have jurisdiction. On child molestation charges?

Campus police do not have courts and prosecuters for such things, right?

So why this did not go straight to the local city or county police and prosecuters still puzzles me.

The campus police that we used to deal with on a regular basis was a full police department. They had patrol, investigations, and worked with the Collin and Dallas County courts just like any normal PD would.

I would assume that Penn St being a much bigger school would be the same.

They just flat dropped the ball is all.