McQeary Testifies...

[burmafrd]

The campus police that we used to deal with on a regular basis was a full police department. They had patrol, investigations, and worked with the Collin and Dallas County courts just like any normal PD would.

I would assume that Penn St being a much bigger school would be the same.

They just flat dropped the ball is all.

They did not want to do anything since it would reflect upon PSU football and Saint Jo. THAT is why it should never have gone there to begin with. Or it should have been a dual road to both campus and say city or county police. Nuts since PSU is a state instituition go all the way to the State Police.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

They did not want to do anything since it would reflect upon PSU football and Saint Jo. THAT is why it should never have gone there to begin with. Or it should have been a dual road to both campus and say city or county police. Nuts since PSU is a state instituition go all the way to the State Police.

I equate it to something like a city police department covering for city employees. I mean, if I knew the city manager was breaking the law, I'd still call the local police department and expect them to do something about it.

The fact that the campus police didn't do their jobs because of a conflict of interest is just a terrible refecltion on them and it's inexcusable.

 

[burmafrd]

I equate it to something like a city police department covering for city employees. I mean, if I knew the city manager was breaking the law, I'd still call the local police department and expect them to do something about it.

The fact that the campus police didn't do their jobs because of a conflict of interest is just a terrible refecltion on them and it's inexcusable.

EXACTLY. BUT this happens a lot. History shows this. Which once again is why you - IF YOU ARE SERIOUS about taking action- make sure no one buries it.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

The entire 'God' thing was perpetuated by Penn State people for decades.

He knew about the 1998 incident. It's ridiculous to try and claim otherwise.

I think the '98 incident was handled by DA Gricar and the police and when it came back with nothing as far as substantial proof goes, Paterno and PSU basically told Sandusky to retire (otherwise, he could have gotten another position somewhere else). Then the 2002 incident in which McQueary *witnessed* and there was obviously a coverup on Schultz and Curley's part.

Whether or not Paterno helped cover it up or not isn't really that much of an issue with me. Even if Paterno didn't actually try to cover it up, he was either completely out-of-touch and was so focused on football or was far more worried about his legacy than the victims.

I don't think they did anything wrong in '98. But in 2002, with McQueary witnessing it, Paterno's behavior was inexcusable.








YR

Shouldn't you be worrying about an actual pedophile enabler like Jim Boeheim instead of being factually inaccurate in your assessment of what Paterno knew.

 

[AbeBeta]

Ummm, he was the head of the police. regardless, they went to the top person. Can't get anymore involved than that from the campus police standpoint. You are whining about something for the sake of whining.

So if McQuery thought a student athlete was cheating on an exam, he'd go to the VP of Academic Affairs over the 10 or 15 people below that person who would all obviously be better contacts? The VP of Academic Affairs is the "top person" for academics.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

So if McQuery thought a student athlete was cheating on an exam, he'd go to the VP of Academic Affairs over the 10 or 15 people below that person who would all obviously be better contacts? The VP of Academic Affairs is the "top person" for academics.

Geez, you can't be serious. McQueary was a student. Paterno was administration. Would you have preferred he go to the local campus officer on duty or the top guy?

I swear sometimes you people don't make any sense. Use some logic.

 

[AbeBeta]

Geez, you can't be serious. McQueary was a student. Paterno was administration. Would you have preferred he go to the local campus officer on duty or the top guy?

I swear sometimes you people don't make any sense. Use some logic.

I would have gone to an appropriate source. You saw a crime, you go to people who are charged with investigating crimes, not a high level administrator who oversees the campus police and other units such as accounting. You'd have to be a stone cold moron to think that going to an administrator rather than campus police is the proper way to report a crime.

Most people have the sense to know the difference. Had McQuery made sure that he reported what he saw correctly and to the right people, several boys would not have become future victims. He knew he didn't do the right thing as he saw nothing happen to Sandusky.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I would have gone to an appropriate source. You saw a crime, you go to people who are charged with investigating crimes, not a high level administrator who oversees the campus police and other units such as accounting. You'd have to be a stone cold moron to think that going to an administrator rather than campus police is the proper way to report a crime.

Most people have the sense to know the difference. Had McQuery made sure that he reported what he saw correctly and to the right people, several boys would not have become future victims. He knew he didn't do the right thing as he saw nothing happen to Sandusky.

Well, first, Paterno didn't see it. Paterno was given a vanilla version of what McQueary saw. And no matter how many times you say it, Paterno went to the head of the Campus police. You are just flat out wrong. And it gets funnier each time you say he didn't go to them. If you want to pin it on someone McQueary should have made the first call to the police, and not to his Dad.

 

[03EBZ06]

Bottom line is, McQueary screwed up by not going to the police immediately, and not taking care of the boy, leaving the boy with Sandusky after what he had witnessed. Paterno waiting a day because he didn't want to bother his boss' weekend over child's well being and failed to follow up it, when it was apparant that nothing was happening. Curley and Shultz worring more about their school and Paterno's reputation and not acting on what was reported to them. Incredibly, no one gived a damn about the child and no inte one interviewed the child or Sandusky to get the full story. Pretty pathetic all involved.

 

[AbeBeta]

Well, first, Paterno didn't see it. Paterno was given a vanilla version of what McQueary saw. And no matter how many times you say it, Paterno went to the head of the Campus police. You are just flat out wrong. And it gets funnier each time you say he didn't go to them. If you want to pin it on someone McQueary should have made the first call to the police, and not to his Dad.

Again, not the head of campus police. An administrator who oversees the police as well as accounting, etc. The head of the police is the police chief. University divisions are largely independent units -- Paterno of all people knows that. Don't try to portray the person who they went to as some sort of cop boss. Can he take a police report? Can he judge what is and what is not a crime? Obviously not. No training in that area whatsoever

McQuery needed to speak to whomever would listen until something was done. He saw that nothing was done. He saw that every time Sandusky was in the facility. That he did not suggests that he was concerned with his career at PSU over anything else.

 

[AbeBeta]

Bottom line is, McQueary screwed up by not going to the police immediately, and not taking care of the boy, leaving the boy with Sandusky after what he had witnessed. Paterno waiting a day because he didn't want to bother his boss' weekend over child's well being and failed to follow up it, when it was apparant that nothing was happening. Curley and Shultz worring more about their school and Paterno's reputation and not acting on what was reported to them. Incredibly, no one gived a damn about the child and no inte one interviewed the child or Sandusky to get the full story. Pretty pathetic all involved.

He did. But the other bottom line is that people are ridiculously justifying his actions b/c he talked to an administrator who "oversees the Campus Police." The person they spoke with was the Vice President who oversees the police as well as Auxiliary and Business Services, Campus Budget office, Commonwealth Operations, Corporate Controller, Finance and Business, Human Resources, Internal Audit, Investment Management, and Physical Plant. No one in their right mind would think of that person as some sort of police boss.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Again, not the head of campus police.

I'm just gonna comment on this because the rest of your assertion regarding this lies at the base of this thought.

You are wrong. He is the head of the Campus police. In the end, they all report to him. It is just an obfuscation of the truth to say otherwise. He had the ability, actually he had the duty to involve the investigative arm of the campus police. He didn't. THAT is why he is in trouble with the law and Paterno is not. Because Paterno went to the head of the police with the story.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

He did. But the other bottom line is that people are ridiculously justifying his actions b/c he talked to an administrator who "oversees the Campus Police." The person they spoke with was the Vice President who oversees the police as well as Auxiliary and Business Services, Campus Budget office, Commonwealth Operations, Corporate Controller, Finance and Business, Human Resources, Internal Audit, Investment Management, and Physical Plant. No one in their right mind would think of that person as some sort of police boss.

And all of those departments report to who ultimately???????

Come on, you can say it. We all know.

 

[03EBZ06]

There were lot of inactions by supposedly responsible, important adults who preached university's "Success with Honor" motto. Their inactions and cover-ups have aided sexual predator ruin many young lives, so much for their empty motto.

 

[AbeBeta]

I'm just gonna comment on this because the rest of your assertion regarding this lies at the base of this thought.

You are wrong. He is the head of the Campus police. In the end, they all report to him. It is just an obfuscation of the truth to say otherwise. He had the ability, actually he had the duty to involve the investigative arm of the campus police. He didn't. THAT is why he is in trouble with the law and Paterno is not. Because Paterno went to the head of the police with the story.

No, the head of the campus police is the police chief. The police report to the police chief. Schultz was an administrator who oversaw something like 10 different areas which I detailed in another post. He does not direct police activities. He directs their budget.

Schultz used terrible judgement in not bringing in an appropriate expert (e.g. the Chief of Police). On any campus, administrators oversee tons of divisions that fall well outside their expertise. They rely on the people that head the various divisions (such as the police force) to act independently. That he wouldn't call in someone from that area is a freaking atrocity.

It is horrific that people justify McQuery's inaction. I am shocked that people on this board who claim such a high moral standard in their lives believe that going to the guy who signs the budget for the police is good enough. McQuery had a moral obligation to see this through and he clearly knew that there was no action taken. Standing up for him is equivalent to standing up for Sandusky.

 

[AbeBeta]

And all of those departments report to who ultimately???????

Come on, you can say it. We all know.

"Report to" is not the same as being the right person to go to with issue that falls under each of those department's expertise.

Gee, I have a question about my insurance benefits -- should I go to Human Resources? No, I'll talk to Schultz, after all he is the guy who is the "head" of Human Resources.

Air conditioning out? Should I call the Physical Plant? No, I'll talk to Schultz, after all he is the guy who is the "head" of the Physical Plant.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

No, the head of the campus police is the police chief. The police report to the police chief. Schultz was an administrator who oversaw something like 10 different areas which I detailed in another post. He does not direct police activities. He directs their budget.

Schultz used terrible judgement in not bringing in an appropriate expert (e.g. the Chief of Police). On any campus, administrators oversee tons of divisions that fall well outside their expertise. They rely on the people that head the various divisions (such as the police force) to act independently. That he wouldn't call in someone from that area is a freaking atrocity.

It is horrific that people justify McQuery's inaction. I am shocked that people on this board who claim such a high moral standard in their lives believe that going to the guy who signs the budget for the police is good enough. McQuery had a moral obligation to see this through and he clearly knew that there was no action taken. Standing up for him is equivalent to standing up for Sandusky.[/QUOTE]

Who the hell is defending McQueary? Get your crap straight before passing judgement on the people of this forum. I am referring to Paterno who got second hand information and in a watered down form. He went to the top of the ladder.

Maybe some people should use their head more before popping off like they do.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

"Report to" is not the same as being the right person to go to with issue that falls under each of those department's expertise.

Gee, I have a question about my insurance benefits -- should I go to Human Resources? No, I'll talk to Schultz, after all he is the guy who is the "head" of Human Resources.

Air conditioning out? Should I call the Physical Plant? No, I'll talk to Schultz, after all he is the guy who is the "head" of the Physical Plant.

Stupid comparison considering we are talking about administration. You obviously don't understand what has happened.

 

[Stautner]

"Report to" is not the same as being the right person to go to with issue that falls under each of those department's expertise.

Gee, I have a question about my insurance benefits -- should I go to Human Resources? No, I'll talk to Schultz, after all he is the guy who is the "head" of Human Resources.

Air conditioning out? Should I call the Physical Plant? No, I'll talk to Schultz, after all he is the guy who is the "head" of the Physical Plant.

The fault in this comment is you are comparing routine maintainance problems and insurance questions with a serious criminal act. If someone calls Schults about an air conditioning issue it would be understandable if he passed the buck to those who handle that. Child molestation is a little different, don't you think?

 

[AbeBeta]

Who the hell is defending McQueary? Get your crap straight before passing judgement on the people of this forum. I am referring to Paterno who got second hand information and in a watered down form. He went to the top of the ladder.

Maybe some people should use their head more before popping off like they do.

You do exactly that when you say

They went to the head of the Campus police. It was on him at that point. Which is why he has been indicted. As well he should be.

You are giving McQuery a pass because he went to someone who was not a law enforcement officer. It is on Schultz? Sure. But McQuery has a moral obligation to follow through if he sees that actions aren't taken. You excuse him because he spoke to someone who no one with half a brain in their head would think was the right person to take a criminal complaint to.