McShay Mock 3.0 3/2/16

[gimmesix]

So, it effectively quiets any notion of Bosa or any rookie pass rusher being an "immediate contributor", doesn't it?

Depends on what you mean by contributor. Plenty of pass rushers have come in their first year and helped their defenses improve.

Julius Peppers was defensive rookie of the year. Von Miller was defensive rookie of the year. Terrell Suggs, Shawne Merriman, Jevon Kearse, Peter Boulware, Simeon Rice, Hugh Douglas.

The belief around here doesn't seem to be that the right rookie pass rusher can't help us, but rather that Bosa isn't the right rookie pass rusher. I disagree with that belief.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I can see the giants taking elliot or treadwell and picking up weddle via FA. They will be the best team besides dallas this season.

If they get elliot and not treadwell I bet they sign sanu

i hope not everyone has their pet cat and mine is Zeke...everything about this guy exudes star talent imo.

 

[StarBoyz83]

i hope not everyone has their pet cat and mine is Zeke...everything about this guy exudes star talent imo.

I don't see dallas going rb in the 1st 3 rounds.

 

[Silver N Blue]

I don't see dallas going rb in the 1st 3 rounds.

hope not they missed out last year and i'm not a dmac fan

 

[Alexander]

Seems like he thinks Jerrell Adams will go in the second? Interesting.

 

[Alexander]

And Lynch falls to round 2.

Wouldn't that be something if Dallas took him there.

It would be outstanding.

 

[StarBoyz83]

hope not they missed out last year and i'm not a dmac fan

I think dallas plans to build the defense through the draft. Which is ok if they wanna win 3-4 years down the road. It won't help this season.

 

[Risen Star]

Seems like he thinks Jerrell Adams will go in the second? Interesting.

Melly Mel won't rule out the first round....

A tight end to talk about

A bad year for tight ends looked even worse when two of the top three guys in a weak class didn't run. With Hunter Henry and Nick Vannett out of the 40, Jerell Adams made himself some dough. The South Carolina product ran 4.64 at a hair under 250 pounds and he also has long arms and big hands attached to a 6-foot-5 frame. In other words, teams who had maybe a third-round grade on him will start looking at him as more of an option at the end of Round 1.

Yes, Round 1. Not out of the picture. This TE class needed someone to pop.

 

[Alexander]

Melly Mel won't rule out the first round....

A tight end to talk about
A bad year for tight ends looked even worse when two of the top three guys in a weak class didn't run. With Hunter Henry and Nick Vannett out of the 40, Jerell Adams made himself some dough. The South Carolina product ran 4.64 at a hair under 250 pounds and he also has long arms and big hands attached to a 6-foot-5 frame. In other words, teams who had maybe a third-round grade on him will start looking at him as more of an option at the end of Round 1.

Yes, Round 1. Not out of the picture. This TE class needed someone to pop.

I think they are figuring that the class is so weak that some team will force it for need.

I don't know what the big deal is honestly. Vannett is the most well rounded and capable, I don't see why it is so difficult.

One player who might end up being a hot name is Ben Braunecker, who had an impressive Combine.

 

[gimmesix]

I don't see dallas going rb in the 1st 3 rounds.

I could see Dallas taking Henry in second, depending on who is available, or taking a third-rounder.

However, in this draft scenario, I definitely would take Lynch or Billings over any RB available in the second. If we were to go with Lynch, then I'd have trouble passing up a DT in the third because I believe the depth there in the draft could push a good one down to us.

Who can we get at RB in the fourth?

 

[Direwolf63]

Lynch will not pass #15 to the Rams. And just because the Eagles signed Bradford to a 2 year extension, it doesn't mean they wouldn't take Lynch and sit him for those 2 years. Hopefully, the Eagles aren't that smart.

And if by chance Lynch is still around late in the 1st, I wouldn't mind trading up to get him.

 

[Alexander]

Who can we get at RB in the fourth?

Don't know why you designate a cut off round, but probably the likes of Collins, Drake, Prosise, Booker.

 

[Risen Star]

I think they are figuring that the class is so weak that some team will force it for need.

I don't know what the big deal is honestly. Vannett is the most well rounded and capable, I don't see why it is so difficult.

One player who might end up being a hot name is Ben Braunecker, who had an impressive Combine.

For me, Tyler Higbee. I think he'd be the belle of the TE ball had he worked out at the combine.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I could see Dallas taking Henry in second, depending on who is available, or taking a third-rounder.

However, in this draft scenario, I definitely would take Lynch or Billings over any RB available in the second. If we were to go with Lynch, then I'd have trouble passing up a DT in the third because I believe the depth there in the draft could push a good one down to us.

Who can we get at RB in the fourth?

Not sure. I just think dallas wants mostly defense. They think they can compete this year if they draft defense is what I get out of their comments.

 

[Avery]

There are going to be so many good prospects at the top of the second round that we should consider giving up a future 2nd and some considerations to take another high-profile guy.

 

[CATCH17]

For me, Tyler Higbee. I think he'd be the belle of the TE ball had he worked out at the combine.

I hope he's there in the 4th.

Probably won't be because we'll take him in the 2nd .

 

[gimmesix]

Don't know why you designate a cut off round, but probably the likes of Collins, Drake, Prosise, Booker.

Not sure what you mean by a cut-off round. If we took Bosa, Lynch and a DT with the first three picks, then we wouldn't be able to pick an RB in the fourth. I have concerns about an RB taken that late being a reliable option, but I'd rather take one than just pass on the position because we didn't take one in the first three rounds.

My preference is always to address our needs in FA so we don't have to be concerned about that.

 

[gimmesix]

There are going to be so many good prospects at the top of the second round that we should consider giving up a future 2nd and some considerations to take another high-profile guy.

Not sure I would mind that if say it got us Billings and Lynch, or Henry.

 

[Stash]

Depends on what you mean by contributor. Plenty of pass rushers have come in their first year and helped their defenses improve.

Julius Peppers was defensive rookie of the year. Von Miller was defensive rookie of the year. Terrell Suggs, Shawne Merriman, Jevon Kearse, Peter Boulware, Simeon Rice, Hugh Douglas.

First of all, you're showing me 20 years of NFL drafts while pointing to 6 players out of approximately 88 defensive ends drafted in the first round since 1995 and your example of Hugh Douglas. 6.82 %

Is that the rule or the exception? I think that's pretty clear.

Here's the fact check for anyone interested:

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/de

And I would also be very interested to see you make the case that Bosa is a better talent than any of the players you're citing as an example.

The belief around here doesn't seem to be that the right rookie pass rusher can't help us, but rather that Bosa isn't the right rookie pass rusher. I disagree with that belief.

I think the belief is that it's unreasonable to expect big contributions from a rookie.

We added three 1st round talents last year, how much did that help us?

 

[gimmesix]

First of all, you're showing me 20 years of NFL drafts while pointing to 6 players out of approximately 88 defensive ends drafted in the first round since 1995 and your example of Hugh Douglas. 6.82 %

Is that the rule or the exception? I think that's pretty clear.

Here's the fact check for anyone interested:

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/de

And I would also be very interested to see you make the case that Bosa is a better talent than any of the players you're citing as an example.

Actually it's eight top-quality ends who won defensive rookie of the year, which ties for the most at any position in that 20-year span.

I don't know how Bosa will work out (or how any draft pick will workout). I know that he was a disruptive player in college who consistently got into the backfield and made plays behind the line of scrirmmage. I know that he's fantastic at hand-fighting and has really good movement skills to quickly go inside-out or outside-in on a blocker. I know once he gets a free path to a QB he explodes into him with force.

Is he a better talent than the players used as an example? I don't know. That's the trick with the draft.

A lot of draft pundits don't believe that the QBs in this draft are as good as in previous drafts, but you seem to believe we should take one at No. 4. I believe Bosa would have been a top pick in last year's draft, can you say the same for these QBs or is their stock being elevated simply because there's no one else available at their position?