Mel Kiper sees Todd Gurley as Cowboys best 'fit'

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Gordon or Gurley could be game changers in Dallas behind big OL. Dallas needs to have big running game to protect Romo. Want to see more passing ,but pass when we want to , not when we have to, that's the plan Stan.
 

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I like Gurley more. Gordon suffers from my bias about Wisconsin backs. They just seem to churn them out. It is not logical or fair, but I cannot shake that.

They churn them out because they always have great running blocking offensive lines. Exactly why replacing DeMarco Murray shouldn't be all that tough for the Cowboys.
 

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What about him makes you feel this way?

He's NFL ready IMO. He can catch, block, great vision, home run speed, lowers his shoulder, fights for yards, uses stiff arm. He might not be the most raw talented RB, but he's definitely a jack of all trades type
 

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I happen to agree wholeheartedly.



Let's make a move to get Gurley then go DL in the 2nd and ILB in the 3rd.

The rest:
http://teamstre.am/1Bsdvb3

Would love it myself but I'm afraid it's wishful thinking.

With the Chargers and Cards needing RB support so badly, I don't think there's a whisper of a chance he falls to us, never mind another team scooping him up when they surprisingly see he's dropped so far. In the event we did trade up, which I think would be foolish, you can kiss that 2nd or 3rd goodbye. Maybe both depending on how high up the move would be.

I still say our best option is the 3rd round for a RB but I like the way you think.
 

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Best fit would be DT Malcolm Brown. He's the perfect 1 tech for us who can still play on third downs and shift over to 3 tech when we want to mix it up. Nobody should feel comfortable with what we have at 1 tech right now.

I like him too and think that would be the smarter decision for us to make.
 

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Best value maybe, as you can get him in the second...but idk that he will ever be more talented than Gurley...

I don't think Ajayi or Coleman make it to our 2nd rd pick. Without a trade up, I think it's a RB in Rd 1, or a guy like Buck Allen in 3rd
 

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I read that Gordon ran a high percentage of jet sweeps at Wisconsin. Is this true?
 

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He's in my Jerry pronunciation mock.

Rd 1-Owamagbe Odighizuwa
Rd 2-Jay Ajayi
Rd 3- Cedric Ogbuehi
Rd 4- Ifo Ekpre-Olomu
Rd 5-Rakeem Nunez-Roches
Rd 7A-Louis Trinca-Pasat
Rd 7B-Miles Dieffenbach

Imagine the press conference this would be! Jerry might have a stroke trying to pronounce those.
:lmao:

That's actually one of the better mocks I've seen lol
 

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If that's the case, he's certainly got scads of draft gurus and experts thinking otherwise. He had 3285 yards, 36 touchdowns and averaged 6.4 yards per carry during three seasons, despite a season-ending injury and a four-game suspension. Add 615 receiving yards and two TDs on kickoff returns. That just seems a pretty impressive accounting of himself to me, all things considered. I imagine his average yards per carry during limited action probably had much to do with his reputation. Most of the mocks have him going in the mid-first round, so it should be interesting to see whether the pro teams think yea or nay in that regard.
Problem is there are several backs in this draft that had as much or more yards in 2014 as he had in 2013 and 2014 combined. Because of all the missed time, you have to project what he will be, rather having all the games to watch to see what he actually is. That usually knocks a player back in the draft due to the uncertainty. I don't think Gurley looked so good that he overrides that to the point where he should be considered a can't miss candidate.
 

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I read that Gordon ran a high percentage of jet sweeps at Wisconsin. Is this true?

I dont know the percentage but i have seen them run that a bit,its just effective because no DB could tackle him one on one,it really was not a contest.
 

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I dont know the percentage but i have seen them run that a bit,its just effective because no DB could tackle him one on one,it really was not a contest.

I ask because I've read some criticism of him as a tough runner. The article, and I wish I could remember where I saw it, kind of downplayed his production, saying he racked up a ton of yards on jet sweeps. I've never seen him play, so I'm curious.
 

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I ask because I've read some criticism of him as a tough runner. The article, and I wish I could remember where I saw it, kind of downplayed his production, saying he racked up a ton of yards on jet sweeps. I've never seen him play, so I'm curious.

a major portion of Gordons runs ere still between the tackles.I dont know if he is tough runner(like i know Gurley is a real tough runner),i never thought Murray was a tough runner when we drafted him but he evolved into one,i think Gordon is stronger and more nimble and could be an every down back if we drafted him.
 

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Problem is there are several backs in this draft that had as much or more yards in 2014 as he had in 2013 and 2014 combined. Because of all the missed time, you have to project what he will be, rather having all the games to watch to see what he actually is. That usually knocks a player back in the draft due to the uncertainty. I don't think Gurley looked so good that he overrides that to the point where he should be considered a can't miss candidate.

If it weren't for his missed time, I think we might find his draft status higher than what we do now. His ability to get the tough yards as well as those where he just outruns folks obviously has appeal to a large segment of fans and media. We're about to find out if the pro scouts agree with them, so anything can happen. I'm thinking if he falls to Dallas at 27, he'll be extremely hard to bypass for those in our war room.

He's generally thought to be ideal for what this team is looking for (assuming he's able to stay on the field, that is.) Anyhow, we'll find out what he's all about, whether we end up with him or some other team does. The results of his medical exams will be pivotal in helping to decide his position in the draft, no doubt.
 

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If it weren't for his missed time, I think we might find his draft status higher than what we do now. His ability to get the tough yards as well as those where he just outruns folks obviously has appeal to a large segment of fans and media. We're about to find out if the pro scouts agree with them, so anything can happen. I'm thinking if he falls to Dallas at 27, he'll be extremely hard to bypass for those in our war room.

He's generally thought to be ideal for what this team is looking for (assuming he's able to stay on the field, that is.) Anyhow, we'll find out what he's all about, whether we end up with him or some other team does. The results of his medical exams will be pivotal in helping to decide his position in the draft, no doubt.

Gurley is called by Brooks, Brugler, Mayock and others as "special" with the rare combo of size, speed and power.

The injury will hurt his draft stock to a degree but we simply have no way of knowing the extent.

Like you mention, that April 18th medical will be critical for his draft stock, some teams do not mind the patience for a player that is so special but others may pass because they are simply unwilling to wait for the contributions.

If he falls to #27, I would say the Cowboys would sprint to get that card to Roger, he may very well go earlier, we simply do not know at this juncture much depends on that April medical.
 

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I wouldn't touch a player in round 1 who I couldn't work out.

He definitely interviews well and kind of has the air or confidence of a superstar, but people were talking about a guy like Paul Dawson being a super athletic OLB and he turned out to be nowhere near that. Shane Ray, same thing. There are probably 15 other guys who turned out slower or less athletic (or even smaller) than they look on the field. And that's without coming off a knee injury that may change his speed or explosion.

Is RB a position worth that question? They have the combine for a reason. It can expose a player that maybe has straight line speed but poor change of direction or someone who is slow in the first 10-yds.
 

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I wouldn;t touch a player in round 1 who I couldn't work out.

He definitely interviews well and kind of has the air or confidence of a superstar, but people were talking about a guy like Paul Dawson being a super athletic OLB and he turned out to be nowhere near that. Shane Ray, same thing. There are probably 15 other guys who turned out slower or less athletic (or even smaller) than they look on the field. And that's without coming off a knee injury that may change his speed or explosion.

Is RB a position worth that question? They have the combine for a reason. It can expose a player that maybe has straight line speed but poor change of direction or someone who is slow in the first 10-yds.

Despite Dawson having that 4.9 forty time at Indy, he's had another in 4.76, which is far more encouraging. At any rate, he's regarded by many as being average athletically with uncanny instincts, which is something that makes him quite desirable on the field. His recent visit with Dallas went extremely well. That being the case, it's been reported his workout had a positive impact as to their current opinion of him.

Lindy's draft rating magazine also has him assessed as a LB with "good ball skills," seemingly indicative of competent coverage capabilities. The "underware olympcis" has never been a proven commodity as far as revealing on-field competence. Also, Mayock's draft rating still had him listed quite respectfully.
 
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It's a fair bias. None have amounted to jack. Look at Montee Ball. I thought he would be a stud.

I just think Gordon is different, and is a perfect fit for our scheme.

I really haven't been in love with any of the Wisconsin backs that have been drafted in the past... going all the way back to Ron Dayne. They just haven't stood out to me.

Gordon, on the other hand, is much different. I really think he is going to be a great runner if he gets in the right situation. I would be more than fine with Dallas taking him... I would be excited as hell. He would hit the creases that Murray hit last year and he'd be 10 yards down field before the defense even knew it. His open field running is outstanding, and he's just flat out difficult to bring down one on one.

I do like Gurley better but it isn't by much. I like Gurley's ability to be physical but IMO that's the only thing he has over Gordon. Either would be really nice to have behind that OL.
 

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Would love it myself but I'm afraid it's wishful thinking.

With the Chargers and Cards needing RB support so badly, I don't think there's a whisper of a chance he falls to us, never mind another team scooping him up when they surprisingly see he's dropped so far. In the event we did trade up, which I think would be foolish, you can kiss that 2nd or 3rd goodbye. Maybe both depending on how high up the move would be.

I still say our best option is the 3rd round for a RB but I like the way you think.

Maybe the Chargers or the Cards will trade for Peterson, that would leave Gurley or Gordon for the Cowboys.
 

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Maybe the Chargers or the Cards will trade for Peterson, that would leave Gurley or Gordon for the Cowboys.

Who knows? They might trade for him.

But then you would have to consider that Minnesota would be in the market for a back themselves at 17 or 24, whomever their trade partner would be.
 
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