Melton Deal vs Hatcher Deal

[big dog cowboy]

Cowboys > Commanders

 

[Doomsday101]

Cowboys > Commanders

True. LOL

I would love to wish Hatcher the best I think he is a good guy but now that he is a Commander well Bye. lol

 

[thunderpimp91]

Maranelli wanted hatcher over Melton that tells you a lot . Just couldn't afford him . Melton is good but I'll take 11 sacks over 5-6 any day . Hatcher was a complete monster . Hopefully Melton could surpass his career high of 7 sacks .

If you want to go strictly by sacks, fine you win. Like i said before its picking between two of the best in the game, and in the end should be happy to have either one.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Cowboys > Commanders

Well duh.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

so does melton

Not after year two though, at least not to the same extent.

 

[RastaRocket]

One is 31 and on the tail end and other other is 27. Kind of funny a couple of years ago not many here sang the praise of Hatcher now after 1 good season he deserved the big bucks? lol

I get that, but Hatcher is still the better player at the moment. OP said Melton is the better player.

 

[gimmesix]

Who said so much better ? Go look at the numbers . Plus hatcher is much better vs the run . Id argue hatcher was the best Interior DL in the entire nfl last season . Melton hasn't even played well in two years . RIGHT now currently Hatcher is better I don't see how anyone could argue . Numbers don't lie .

This is like saying Vick is better than romo they both have 3 pro bowls .

Hatcher might can be considered the better pass rusher, based on last season, but I don't think he's close to being better against the run.

It will probably be a little irrelevant this season, though, because Hatcher is playing in a 3-4 while Melton is in the honey position in this 4-3. Unless Washington runs a variant of the 3-4 where Hatcher is allowed to just allow the pocket, his numbers won't be close to the same.

 

[gimmesix]

Maranelli wanted hatcher over Melton that tells you a lot . Just couldn't afford him . Melton is good but I'll take 11 sacks over 5-6 any day . Hatcher was a complete monster . Hopefully Melton could surpass his career high of 7 sacks .

Where has it been said that Marinelli wanted Hatcher over Melton? According to Hatcher, the Cowboys didn't express any interest in him.

"They didn’t show no signs that they wanted me back," Hatcher said in a radio interview on KRLD-FM Dallas/Fort Worth. "I know the fans are upset. They should be. They have all the right in the world to be. But I made the right decision for me. If we could’ve made it work out we would’ve, but I’m in a great place with the Commanders, a great organization. I’m looking forward to getting back to football."

 

[Little Jr]

Not after year two though, at least not to the same extent.

no but thats not what you said. lol

 

[Vanilla2]

One is 31 and on the tail end and other other is 27. Kind of funny a couple of years ago not many here sang the praise of Hatcher now after 1 good season he deserved the big bucks? lol

The same people would be raising a crap storm had they paid hatch what the skids gave him.

 

[Little Jr]

The same people would be raising a crap storm had they paid hatch what the skids gave him.

some would like it until 3 years down the road when it didnt work out then they would scream jj over paid.

 

[CyberB0b]

One is 31 and on the tail end and other other is 27. Kind of funny a couple of years ago not many here sang the praise of Hatcher now after 1 good season he deserved the big bucks? lol

Age doesn't really matter if you are guaranteeing a DT 9 million dollars in 2015. That's a lot of chedda.

 

[AsthmaField]

Doesn't matter right now hatcher is the better player . Can't really argue with that . Melton is NOT an upgrade from hatcher anyone who thinks this is fooling themselves . Melton is younger that's about it .

Melton is a better player for this defense. And if his knee is fine, he is an upgrade over Hatcher.

 

[AsthmaField]

The real questions will be if Orakpo and Kerrigan's numbers go up and if our defense can actually stop runners at the LOS. Can't just go by sacks alone.

As Jimmy Johnson said, "Run stoppers are a dime-a-dozen. It is the pass rushers that you pay for."

I certainly hope you guys didn't pay him that much to just stuff the run. Even Danny wouldn't do that would he?

 

[SkinsFan28]

As Jimmy Johnson said, "Run stoppers are a dime-a-dozen. It is the pass rushers that you pay for."

I certainly hope you guys didn't pay him that much to just stuff the run. Even Danny wouldn't do that would he?

Did you see our "run stopping" last year. Players were at the 2nd level before they ever were touched. That said, I also expect that Hatcher will be used in tandem with Orakpo or Kerrigan pretty often to get to the passer.

 

[AsthmaField]

That said, I also expect that Hatcher will be used in tandem with Orakpo or Kerrigan pretty often to get to the passer.

Used in tandem from which position? Are you saying he will play some OLB opposite one of those guys? Or are you saying he will be rushing as a 34 DE, which we already knew about?

 

[Califan007]

I'm surprised some of you guys actually thought the Skins' deal with Hatcher was a decent one...even if you didn't realize it at the time lol:

franchised makes zero sense. that's a fortune.

hopefully they will agree to a reasonable long-term deal with a lot of fake money at the end.
something like 5 for 40m but with about 22m of that as bases the final 2 years.
please no goofy "scheduled restructure" nonsense leveraged with a massive bonus.

keep it simple.
10m SB
yr 1: 1m
yr 2: 4m
yr 3: 6m
yr 4: 10m
yr 5: 12m
5 years 43m sounds really rich....
Really a 3 year 21m deal. That's a HUGE raise for a guy on a 2m per year deal but also keeps arguably our best DL.

Props to this guy lol...here's what the Skins gave him:

9m SB
yr 1: 1.5m
yr 2: 3m
yr 3: 6.5m

Really a 3 year 20.5m deal.

Almost exactly what jterrell said he'd do.

Others seemed to like it as well:

Someone forward to Stephen please. This looks right on the money to me.

The only problem is how much do you sign him to. He will be 32 next season and this is his bet deal.
4 year 24 million is about right to me with 8 million singing bonus. he deal will look like this.

year salary bonus proration cap hit
2014 1.5 million 2 million 3.5 million
2015 3.5 million 2 million 5.5 million
2016 4.5 million 2 million 7 million
2017 6.5 million 2 million 8.5 million

by this contract we can cut him in 2016 and be a 3 million saving or cut him in 2017 and be a 6.5 million savings.

This will give Hatcher 8 million up front signing bonus and 5 million over the next two years.
Really turns into a 2 year 13 million deal with 8 million signing bonus.

Again, just to compare to what the Commanders gave Hatcher:

9 million SB (as opposed to 8 mil)
4.5 mil over the next two years (as opposed to 5 mil)
"Really" turns into a 2 year 13.5 million deal (as opposed to 2 year, 13 mil deal)

And again, this contract proposal didn't fall on deaf ears here:

I like this idea ! Numbers will change, but this is exactly what they SHOULD be looking at. Short term, gives him some money to keep him happy and motivated, and he can mentor in incoming DT's and DE's that are arriveing soon : )

Honestly I would resign him because he hasn't played a lot of football... He will be good until he's 35 or 36, the guy is a physical presence!

If you think Hatcher isn't going to get much $$$ in Free Agency, you probably don't realize just how dominant of a season Hatcher is having.

Hatcher has been pointing out how he has outplayed his contract, and he's seen a lot of money flying around Valley Ranch for years to players who aren't nearly as productive as he is. I think he'll get offers the Boys can't even come close to, and he'll go to the team that offers him the most guaranteed money....

Ilike Hatcher a lot, but he was the 2nd in Pro Bowl voting at DT as of a couple of weeks ago. Anyway you look at it, he's elite, could be looking at his last contract, and he'll want a commensurate payday.

I don't think Hatchers progression has anything to do with money as much as it does this new scheme. People tend to forget Hatcher led our DL in sacks last year playing End in the 3-4. Moving him closer to the QB, less doubles, certainly the reason he is acceling.

Just an aside, Hatcher had 8.5 sacks in his last 2 seasons as a 3-4 DE. The Commanders entire DL only had 9 sacks in 2012-2013.

When you have a leader, pro bowler, don't second guess yourself Jerry. 5/6 mil tops for 2/3 more years should do it.

& please stop comparing this guy and situation to the Ratliff one. Ratliff never played with as much passion and heart as this guy does. And Ratliff wasn't half the leader this guy is.

[...]This team needs Jason Hatcher these young guys are learning passion for this franchise under vocal guys like him. This franchise needs Hatch more than just on the field.

Jerry...Don't blow the Ratliff situation, and then blow the Hatcher situation, because you blew the Ratliff situation....

I guarantee you the Commanders need a leader, Pro Bowler, a guy who plays with passion and heart, on it's defense...London Fletcher filled that role brilliantly for almost his entire career in Washington. That's a void that needs filling.

 

[AsthmaField]

Dude... Hatcher is worth that playing as a 3-tech in this 43 defense.

He is decidedly not when playing as a 34 DE... which he is non-descript as.

I'm surprised that you didn't figure that out.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Hatcher might can be considered the better pass rusher, based on last season, but I don't think he's close to being better against the run.

It will probably be a little irrelevant this season, though, because Hatcher is playing in a 3-4 while Melton is in the honey position in this 4-3. Unless Washington runs a variant of the 3-4 where Hatcher is allowed to just allow the pocket, his numbers won't be close to the same.

Wow you couldn't be more wrong . Melton's weakness is vs the run . It's noted in recent articles .

 

[TheCount]

Here are some specifics I was able to gather up from rotoworld and various tweets.

Henry Melton
2014- $5 mill
2015-2017 (3 year option) $24 mill with $9 guaranteed

Jason Hatcher (4 year 27.5 mill)
10.5 mil guaranteed, $9 mill signing bonus
2014 - $1.5 mill
2015 - $3 mill
2016 - $6.5 mill
2017 - $7.5 mill

I personally think that the boys got the better deal because they got the better player. Money wise the skins might have got the better deal because after year one Hatch becomes expendable contract wise. What do you guys think?

I have little doubt that if money wasn't an issue, Hatcher would still be a Cowboy and Melton would be elsewhere. For better or worse.

Some can fool themselves if they want, but you don't swap a healthy 31 year old coming off his best season for a 27 year old with coming off his worst. Age isn't an issue here.

With Hatcher out of reach, Melton was a consolidation prize. Now we just gotta see what we won.