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peplaw06;1106905 said:
It's not official yet, but it's a couple of pages back...

They think he's going to say he was trying to recover from his injury (Achilles or ACL... not really sure what was injured)

With Castillo I thought "hey, he's a kid, he just made a dumb mistake." He was totally upfront with teams and took responsibility.

But Merriman? He's been through the NFL's orientation program, etc. He has no excuse. He knows better.
 

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WoodysGirl;1106923 said:
ESPN Eric Allen's Take

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I'm shocked and saddened by the news of Shawne Merriman's reported suspension for a positive steroids test. I met this young man during Pro Bowl week and was struck by how he was a down-to-earth and thoughtful young man. He had a great work ethic and an excellent knowledge of the NFL's history and wanted to one day be a part of that illustrious history. Now I wonder how far he took that desire and if he realized the consequences of his actions, because now everything he's ever accomplished and will accomplish in football will be questioned.

The Rookie of the Year award and Pro Bowl honors we all thought Merriman earned last season have now been sullied completely by his imminent suspension. Going forward, whenever he plays in a game people are going to mention this positive test result. And the consequences aren't just off the field, they are also on the field; now players are going to take extra shots at him because he's going to be thought of as a cheater. Everyone in his locker room is going to look at him differently, and to some he'll be a pariah, never to be trusted again.

I don't understand how a professional athlete in this day and age could take steroids when there are so many consequences. Sure, I understand the great deal of money that is to be made if you're able to get away with it. But is it worth what he's now going to go through? This is a kid who presumably wanted to one day be mentioned in the same breath as luminaries like Mike Singletary, Dick Butkus, Ray Lewis and Lawrence Taylor. Now he stands a much better chance of being mentioned in the same breath as Brian Bosworth and Tony Mandarich.

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This article, to me, is so much BS. This guy was a Pro Football player for years. He knows full well that this sort of thing has been in the league for decades now. He talks as if it's not an accepted thing when the reality, at least in my mind, is that it's even encouraged. Sorry but this whole article just rings hallow to me.
 

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This article, to me, is so much BS. This guy was a Pro Football player for years. He knows full well that this sort of thing has been in the league for decades now. He talks as if it's not an accepted thing when the reality, at least in my mind, is that it's even encouraged. Sorry but this whole article just rings hallow to me.


It has gone on but if you do it your most likely to get busted.

The NFL's drug policy is like none other. If you use and you dont have some genius nutrionist who knows how to beat the NFL's drug policy then your gonna get caught.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1106930 said:
He talks as if it's not an accepted thing when the reality, at least in my mind, is that it's even encouraged.

Maybe the reality in your mind isn't reality.

The league conducts thousands of tests during the course of the season, and every year the number of players caught is in the single digits at most.

Unless the test they are using is easily beat, that pretty strongly suggests its not as widespread as you think it is.
 

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wileedog;1106945 said:
Maybe the reality in your mind isn't reality.

The league conducts thousands of tests during the course of the season, and every year the number of players caught is in the single digits at most.

Unless the test they are using is easily beat, that pretty strongly suggests its not as widespread as you think it is.


They aren't. Very very difficult in fact.
 

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abersonc;1106926 said:
With Castillo I thought "hey, he's a kid, he just made a dumb mistake." He was totally upfront with teams and took responsibility.

But Merriman? He's been through the NFL's orientation program, etc. He has no excuse. He knows better.

Agree on Castillo, that's another reason he wasn't blackballed.

But on Merriman, wasn't there some speculation that he was roidin up before he was drafted? Doesn't give him an excuse for continuing to do it at this point though.
 

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Just thought this article was relevant. Posted it awhile ago
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In Daily News poll, players say some finding ways to beat system


Put to the test​

In Daily News poll, players say some finding ways to beat system​


The first week of the NFL season is filled with so many intriguing storylines: Manning vs. Manning; T.O. vs. Tuna; Reggie Bush's debut; Chad Pennington's annual comeback from shoulder surgery; and what should be the start of Brett Favre's farewell tour.​
But hanging over the NFL is another issue: Was the steroids/human growth hormone scandal in Carolina involving five Panthers from the 2003 Super Bowl team an aberration or an indication that the league has a widespread problem? Will the NFL be blindsided by another scandal?​


Last week, we put together a panel of seven NFL players and polled them on five key issues:​


1. Is NFL drug testing "almost a joke," as the prosecutor claims the Panthers players named in the scandal said it was? In the nearly 20 years of the program, 60 players have been suspended for steroids and another 60-70 due to be suspended were out of the league by the time the punishment was handed down.


Yes: 1

No: 5

Don't Know: 1


The one "yes" vote came from a player disgusted with the testing procedure for cocaine, marijuana, etc. Once a player comes up clean in his preseason test, he has a free ride the rest of the year.​


Players can be randomly tested up to six times in the offseason for performance-enhancing drugs. They are usually given 24 hours' notice and arrange with the tester where to meet. The offseason tests can be intrusive. One player was having lunch at a Chinese restaurant when he met up with the league tester. They went into the bathroom and the tester watched as the player provided his urine sample. One player said it was dehumanizing to have the tester show up at his house and accompany him to his bathroom while his incredulous wife sat in the next room.​


"That is the nature of what we do," the player said.​


Each week during the season, seven players per team are randomly tested. They are not given advance notice. The first positive test results in a four-game suspension.​


Comments: "I don't agree that steroid testing is a joke," one player said. "Not when you have to walk into a bathroom, pull your pants down over your ankles, take your shirt off and pee in a cup."​


And, one player added, you have to do that with the tester "watching me do it. He has to have a full view."​


Here's the problem: HGH can only be detected in a blood test, which is considered by many experts to be unreliable, and the NFL does not test blood anyway. If HGH is taken in conjunction with a low dose of testosterone, the steroid may not show up either because of the low dosage or because it has a short half-life. That could be a reason none of the Panthers named in the scandal ever tested positive.​


Still, not knowing when the test will come is a strong deterrent. After the Panthers case, the NFL conformed to Olympic testing standards by lowering the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone that triggers a positive test from 6-1 to 4-1.​


"When people mention things like testosterone and growth hormone, you have to look at the limits of science vs. the limits of the policy," said Adolpho Birch, the NFL's counsel for labor relations and the administrator of the program. "We have done some things that will help that issue."​


2. Are players finding a way to cheat on the test?


Yes: 4

No: 1

Don't Know: 2


Comments: The feeling was it was impossible for players to pull a fast one when they are actually being tested. Most of those polled said they were not aware of the HGH/steroids mix or of finding ways to keep their level of use undetectable.​


"That's pretty scientific for someone to go through," one player said. "The Panthers still didn't win the Super Bowl. It goes to show cheaters never win."​

As far as beating the system, one player said, "If you want it bad enough, people are always going to find a way."​


Said another: "I know how they take our urine samples. I don't see how you can cheat it. I got to pee right in front of them. How can I cheat that?"​


3. Are there players in the league using steroids?


Yes: 4

No: 1

Don't Know: 2


Comments: "I can't say no and be correct and I can't say yes and be for sure," one player said.​


Another added: "It's possible. Very possible. I don't look for it, I don't see it, I don't want to know."​


And another player said there is probably a "handful of guys" doing steroids. "It's a microcosm of society," he said.​


4. Are there players in the league using HGH?


Yes: 1

No: 1

Don't Know: 5


Comments: "What is that?" one player asked.​


Another said: "I don't know much about it, so I wouldn't say. I've never been around it and have never known anyone who has taken it."​


5. Has the NFL been flying under the radar because of the focus on steroids in baseball?


Yes: 0

No: 7


Comments: Most of the players felt the NFL has set the standard in steroid testing. "Maybe baseball has drawn more attention to the minor abuses in the NFL, but I don't think it's a problem in our league."​


Another player said: "I don't think people care if people use steroids. What difference does it make to the fan watching the game? With baseball, people just want to see home runs." He admitted he didn't know that steroids are illegal without a prescription.​


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CATCH17;1106947 said:
They aren't. Very very difficult in fact.

I disagree -- steroid testing isn't great b/c the steriod products keep changing as the the masking agents. I wouldn't call it "easy to beat" but you've got guys who get products from folks who work very hard to develop products that beat tests.
 

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abersonc;1106964 said:
I disagree -- steroid testing isn't great b/c the steriod products keep changing as the the masking agents. I wouldn't call it "easy to beat" but you've got guys who get products from folks who work very hard to develop products that beat tests.


Thats why I said it was difficult. The NFL has 5 million different ways to catch you.

You can beat it but it would be a task. Which would make it very very difficult.

Plus the NFL is always finding ways to ban other substances and find ways to improve their testing policy.

The NFL is as good as it gets as far as drug testing goes.
 

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abersonc;1106964 said:
I disagree -- steroid testing isn't great b/c the steriod products keep changing as the the masking agents. I wouldn't call it "easy to beat" but you've got guys who get products from folks who work very hard to develop products that beat tests.

I agree with this. In fact, even now, there is no test available that can detect certain HGH compounds and or designer drugs.
 

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CATCH17;1106970 said:
Thats why I said it was difficult. The NFL has 5 million different ways to catch you.

You can beat it but it would be a task. Which would make it very very difficult.

Plus the NFL is always finding ways to ban other substances and find ways to improve their testing policy.

The NFL is as good as it gets as far as drug testing goes.

The NFL is as good as it gets as far as testing goes -- However, testing is always going to be behind the development of new drugs -- you can't develop a test for something that doesn't exist yet.

Advantage: Steroid Users.
 

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CATCH17;1106970 said:
Thats why I said it was difficult. The NFL has 5 million different ways to catch you.

You can beat it but it would be a task. Which would make it very very difficult.

Plus the NFL is always finding ways to ban other substances and find ways to improve their testing policy.

The NFL is as good as it gets as far as drug testing goes.


If you have the money, it's not all that difficult. You inject things that can't be detected and how is that difficult? It's all about money and pro athletes have it.
 

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abersonc;1106974 said:
The NFL is as good as it gets as far as testing goes -- However, testing is always going to be behind the development of new drugs -- you can't develop a test for something that doesn't exist yet.

Advantage: Steroid Users.


It's been that way since the Mid 90s IMO. The only way to catch athletes is to take samples and hold them for a few years. As the science of testing catches up with the designer drugs, then you can test samples after the fact. Who knows how long the lag might be but at this point, it's the only way I can think of. There doing it, the NFL just can't catch them. IMO, the best testing in the world takes place in the Olympics. They do it year round and have been doing it for decades now. They can't catch there athletes many times either. It's going to continue to go on. I just don't go for Eric Allen's "Above It All" attitude in that article.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1106975 said:
If you have the money, it's not all that difficult. You inject things that can't be detected and how is that difficult? It's all about money and pro athletes have it.

Because its always changing. You may think you have something that cant be detected and the NFL has allready caught on.

Its a on going battle.

Merriman probably took some kind of roid that wasnt on the banned substance list a week ago and now it is and he got caught.


Like the Olympic athletes, the NFL has a higher standard. In addition to testing for steroids, the league also tests for masking agents. If a player tries to pass a test by using these masking agents, they are suspended, even if a steroid is not detected.
 

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Is this the 2nd time he was caught ? Or is a 4 game suspension normal with the 1st time with Roids ?
 

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CATCH17;1106982 said:
Because its always changing. You may think you have something that cant be detected and the NFL has allready caught on.

Its a on going battle.

Merriman probably took some kind of roid that wasnt on the banned substance list a week ago and now it is and he got caught.

Well, that's when you see guys get caught. There is a certain risk involved here but by and large, the user is always going to be ahead of the curve. The risk will be slight.

As far as the NFL having a tougher standard, well, I think that's debatable. They don't test everyone and they don't use blood tests. Olympic athletes, get tested regularly. All of them. They have to test before and after events so right there, that constitues a tougher policy IMO. They also do blood tests so to me, I think the Olympic testing is more difficult but I don't know that I can say it's more effective.
 

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CATCH17;1106989 said:
Great move your best thread to a board that nobody uses.

and how it is "cowboys" related? i think they let it run long enough in there because of the popularity. sooner or later these stupid comparisions between ware and merriman have got to end, and i just hope this is it.
 
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