Michael Irvin accused of rape at Seminole Hard Rock/ESPN 103.3 Show Canceled *Merge*

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Maikeru-sama;3268087 said:
Sucks that Michael Irvin's show got canned as it appears I am one of the few that actually liked his show.

Hopefully Nate Newton lands on another show.

I would honestly like to know how many of you liked Irvin's show for it's quality and content as opposed to those that liked it because Irvin is a former Cowboys great?

Full disclosure: I have never listened to his show but I have, however, watched him on ESPN and NFL network. He was a natural as far as I'm concerned. The thing is though, would I still feel the same way about him if he was Michael Irvin, former Pittsburgh Steeler great?

Probably not.
 

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Avaj;3268295 said:
I only listened because of Nate. I don't know why he doesn't have his own show.

Yeah, I think if Nate Newton wouldn't have gotten into trouble, he would either have his own show locally or be a co-host. He has a great gift of gab and I think most people just like the "big fella".

Draegerman;3268446 said:
I would honestly like to know how many of you liked Irvin's show for it's quality and content as opposed to those that liked it because Irvin is a former Cowboys great?

Full disclosure: I have never listened to his show but I have, however, watched him on ESPN and NFL network. He was a natural as far as I'm concerned. The thing is though, would I still feel the same way about him if he was Michael Irvin, former Pittsburgh Steeler great?

Probably not.

I listened to Michael Irvin's show because he seemed to always give decent insight as to what is happening on the field, the guests, Nate Newton, he was always talking "Cowboys" as oppose to another famous station around here and the guy just had great charisma.

The week of the Playoff Game against Minnesota when he did a simulcast with The Common Man Radio Show in Minnesota was some of the best comedic radio I have heard in a while.

I honestly had no idea his ratings were suffering.

The Shows I like to listen too in D/FW are:
1) Mike & Mike
2) Norm Hitzges
3) The Michael Irvin Show

I stopped listening to The Hard Line and Bad Radio a long time ago. Newy's show is only good because they open up the phone lines more than any other station but for the most part 105.3 is garbage.
 

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Draegerman;3268446 said:
I would honestly like to know how many of you liked Irvin's show for it's quality and content as opposed to those that liked it because Irvin is a former Cowboys great?

Like another poster just mentioned. They alwyas talked Cowboys football. They talked X’s and O’s. They had great guests and Mike always had good insight or brought a different perspective. He knew the right questions to ask. Kevin was cool too, he meshed well with Irvin. Nate was entertaining although he would wear on you over time. My only grip about Michael was he would tend to turn the show into a sermon from time to time.

Best parts of the show was from training camp and hearing the Jenkins/Scan interviews. Excellent stuff. Brandon Marshall interview was one that stands out too.
 

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Everlastingxxx;3268578 said:
Like another poster just mentioned. They alwyas talked Cowboys football. They talked X’s and O’s. They had great guests and Mike always had good insight or brought a different perspective. He knew the right questions to ask. Kevin was cool too, he meshed well with Irvin. Nate was entertaining although he would wear on you over time. My only grip about Michael was he would tend to turn the show into a sermon from time to time.

Best parts of the show was from training camp and hearing the Jenkins/Scan interviews. Excellent stuff. Brandon Marshall interview was one that stands out too.

Bravo! Very well put. :bow:
 

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You've got to be REAL careful examining a woman's motives and actions after a sexual assault. They are, for women, pretty much the worst thing possible short of hurting their children. They are confused, scared, angry, ashamed, and for us as (mostly) men to second guess why they do, or don't do, things that make sense to us misses the point. The fact that she reported it at all to police around the time it happened indicates that it should be taken seriously - cops are pretty good at sniffing out BS accusations, and risking it is unwise.

As some have noted, Mike's past cuts both ways here - he's been in plenty of trouble, and this isn't exactly against character, especially when you know the details of his 1996 escapades that ended in his suspension. It also means he's an easier, more believable mark for a false accusation.

Without physical evidence, he won't be charged - and wasn't. But civil cases don't need beyond a reasonable doubt, they just need a preponderance of belief, which is why OJ walked on criminal, and got tagged in civil. Could happen here. Being an older case, it's going to probably come down to a jury, and unless they have corroborative testimony, he/she said normally ends in verdicts for the defense.
 

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Venger;3268791 said:
You've got to be REAL careful examining a woman's motives and actions after a sexual assault. They are, for women, pretty much the worst thing possible short of hurting their children. They are confused, scared, angry, ashamed, and for us as (mostly) men to second guess why they do, or don't do, things that make sense to us misses the point. The fact that she reported it at all to police around the time it happened indicates that it should be taken seriously - cops are pretty good at sniffing out BS accusations, and risking it is unwise.

As some have noted, Mike's past cuts both ways here - he's been in plenty of trouble, and this isn't exactly against character, especially when you know the details of his 1996 escapades that ended in his suspension. It also means he's an easier, more believable mark for a false accusation.

Without physical evidence, he won't be charged - and wasn't. But civil cases don't need beyond a reasonable doubt, they just need a preponderance of belief, which is why OJ walked on criminal, and got tagged in civil. Could happen here. Being an older case, it's going to probably come down to a jury, and unless they have corroborative testimony, he/she said normally ends in verdicts for the defense.

Not preponderance of belief but preponderance of the evidence.
I don't see preponderance of the evidence supporting the woman's claim. There was no physical evidence of rape. There were no witnesses.
What could she possibly argue that would weight the evidence more heavily on her side?
I don't see how she's going to win this case.
 

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tyke1doe;3268804 said:
Not preponderance of belief but preponderance of the evidence.
I don't see preponderance of the evidence supporting the woman's claim. There was no physical evidence of rape. There were no witnesses.
What could she possibly argue that would weight the evidence more heavily on her side?
I don't see how she's going to win this case.
I would say they're not likely going to make their evidence public at this point, so to argue one way or the other, based solely on what we know right now, is pointless.
 
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