Michael Irvin

[clayman]

Mike was great no doubt but he shouldn't lessen the impact Troy had on his career.....there are many great WRs or potentially great that with a Troy caliber QB and Emmitt RB would have great numbers too. Don't you think if Eric Moulds or Jimmy Smith were on the Cowboys or even Bills back in the 90s they would have similar numbers?

 

[JonCJG]

They might have.

But don't discount Irvin being our emotional leader through all those SB's. Without his passion we might roll over against the 49ers or Bills when we were down. The Playmaker wouldn't allow it. He doesn't get enough credit for giving us alot of that swagger we had in the 90's

 

[KingTuna]

Said Dallas is a QB and a WR (TO) away from a Super Bowl.

That TO should be brought in. ppl say that because Parcells is there it won't work, but thinks that is exactly why it will work.

Says that TO would respect Tuna, because of his honesty.

Yeah he must be back on the pipe...We've got the QB we need in Bledsoe...

I do agree we need another weapon for him but I am not sure that T.O. is the one.

 

[DOOMSDAYREBORN]

Irvin was a great reciever and sure another reciever could have put up the number that he did with Aikman and Emmitt. However I am not sure if Dallas would have won the SB's that they did without Irvin being the emotional leader that he was. As was pointed out Irvin was the emotional leader, something that we lack now.
If you saw the interview in question, Irvin did not down play Aikman. Steven A said that Key had never had an Aikman caliber for a QB. Irvin pointed out that Aikman had him as a wide reciever. That Key should be making whoever he has at QB better. (Irvin carried Steve Walsh to a National Championship) That on a fouth and three with the game on the line they shouldn't be looking for someone else. If he is indeed the #1 reciever the ball should be coming to him. He in no way tried to downgrade Aikman. I on the other hand will say this, Troy was a good QB that Emmitt made great. Throughout the dynasty era, no one ever said how do we stop Troy. It was always how do we stop Emmitt.

 

[clayman]

I hear you but Troy had the accuracy at an amazing level...its one thing if he had a great RB and his passes were to wide open WRs but Troy could thread the needle ala Kosar....and having only one volume of your voice which is SHOUTING does not make you an emotional leader....many greats lead by example....look at Montana pointing out a popcorn eating John Candy to Harris Barton before "THE DRIVE" in the Cincy SB....leadership can be seen many ways...calmness, ray lewis like yelling, by example....shouting and trash talking isn't everything....Emmitt sure wasn't that way but was a leader for the team as well.....Drama, Irvin wins that hands down.

 

[wileedog]

Don't buy at all that Parcells would be able control TO. Parcells had trouble with AB & got rid of him; AB was a baby compared to what TO could do to a team; TO has no loyalty to his team nor his teammates. He's all about himself & the limelight shining on him. No TO; we need add a young quality WR who wants to be a Cowboy & who will play for us through most of his career.

Not that I disagree with you about TO, but the difference between AB and TO is that TO backs up his crap with solid production. He works hard and doesn't take plays off in games.

If AB played like TO he'd still be here, thrown jersey and all. Parcells will deal with that stuff if you are willing to lay it out on the field.

 

[DOOMSDAYREBORN]

Troy was good not taken that away from him but I remember winning games without Troy. The playoff game with Garrett at QB comes to mind. I can't remember winning a game without Emmitt. You may see Irvin as a loud mouth but he was the emotional leader of that team.

 

[Chuck 54]

Irvin would have been a great receiver with any QB...no one in the league could stop the slant for the first down...didn't matter that everyone knew it was coming...3rd down, slant to Irvin, he always got position, always made the catch, never ran his route 1-2 yards short of the line.

I have nothing against Aikman, but you guys saying Aikman made IRvin are full of it...check your facts. Irvin went down with the neck injury...Aikman's never recovered...his career went steadily downhill and he never got this team anywhere ever again.

Now, I'm not saying Aikman lost it....I'm saying he couldn't do anything with it without Irvin...history proved that.

 

[cowheel]

At least Irvin still isn't full of himself...sheesh...I'd say Troy had more to do with his career being successful than vice versa.....so per him Vinnie T would be a HOFer even though Keyshawn didn't make him one? Wow, are we still to believe that was his friends pipe? Aikman was the man, not Irvin.

Both were great players... but I'd be hesitant to say Aikman meant more to Irvin than vice versa.

Mike made a good point...
when Irvin retired, Troy was still playing.

...and Aikman didn't look nowhere near as great "post Irvin".

 

[rojan]

Hey what else did they talk about...I recpect Irvin alot and allways listen when he talks...

 

[ddh33]

I don't mean to reharsh the subject again, but I also think that Bill and TO could get along. I just don't know if it will be worth the effort to Bill.

But I think that comparing the TO situation to the AB situtaion is silly. AB never had TO's talent. In all honesty, I don't think AB had TO's desire to win. I think AB was a worse baby than TO is. TO comes from the Irvin/Keyshawn school of "give the ball because I'm the best option." I just never had the same kind of feeling about Bryant.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Obviously some of you guys never saw Irvin in college, if you think Troy is the reason he was a great receiver. At Miami, the guy was the single most dominant receiver in college football. Irvin was always coming up with the huge play when it was needed.

You don't have to put down Irvin to say that Aikman was great. They both, (along of course with Emmitt), were all-time great football players who would have been great with or without each other. Both should be in the HOF.

 

[BHendri5]

Irvin meant more to this the team than Aikman. Irvin was the leader emotionally and Emmitt lead by example. When Irvin got fired up it went from him to Emmitt to the OLine to Aikman and to Novacek, Harper, Johnston, the defense etc.

Aikman was good but he could not carry the team on his back.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I love Michael but he aint the playmaker without Troy. Those two had some kind of voodoo chemistry going on that will rarely if ever be replicated.

Also include Norv and his timing offense. That pair worked it perfectly.

 

[Lord Sun]

Hey what else did they talk about...I recpect Irvin alot and allways listen when he talks...

Dude, I think I may have missed about five minutes, but the 'quotes' (paraphrases, really, but 'tis my small vanity) on the first page of this thread pretty much sum everything up. Getting arrested with the pipe, his relationship with Troy and Emmitt, Keyshawn, his value to the Cowboys, his valueas a receiver, Hall of Fame, God's impact on his life, his relationship with TO.

 

[Zman5]

Obviously some of you guys never saw Irvin in college, if you think Troy is the reason he was a great receiver. At Miami, the guy was the single most dominant receiver in college football. Irvin was always coming up with the huge play when it was needed.

You don't have to put down Irvin to say that Aikman was great. They both, (along of course with Emmitt), were all-time great football players who would have been great with or without each other. Both should be in the HOF.

On the :money:

 

[Rogerthat12]

Not that I disagree with you about TO, but the difference between AB and TO is that TO backs up his crap with solid production. He works hard and doesn't take plays off in games.

If AB played like TO he'd still be here, thrown jersey and all. Parcells will deal with that stuff if you are willing to lay it out on the field.

You are right on the money!!

 

[Zaxor]

Irvin must not be a big Bledsoe fan either. Finally, we agree on something. If he thinks those are our only problems though, he must have been hitting the pipe in the parking lot before the show.

it may surprise you that the oline sucks only a little if you get Bledsoe out of there instead of sucking massively with him in there

 

[Zaxor]

Mike was great no doubt but he shouldn't lessen the impact Troy had on his career.....there are many great WRs or potentially great that with a Troy caliber QB and Emmitt RB would have great numbers too. Don't you think if Eric Moulds or Jimmy Smith were on the Cowboys or even Bills back in the 90s they would have similar numbers?

Jimmy Smith was on the cowboys back in the early 90's

 

[Zaxor]

Troy was good not taken that away from him but I remember winning games without Troy. The playoff game with Garrett at QB comes to mind. I can't remember winning a game without Emmitt. You may see Irvin as a loud mouth but he was the emotional leader of that team.

the thanksgiving game against Pittsburg were Steve Beurlein and Irvin killed the Steelers...

Irvin would have done just fine without Aikman so would Emmitt...I am not sure Troy would be great without those two but he would have been good