Michael Irvin

[WV Cowboy]

Aikman, Irvin, and Emmitt were a three spoked wheel while in Dallas.

They all depended on each other, and all three made it work.

Some say we couldn't win without Emmitt but could win without Troy.

That's because we had good QB'ing when Troy went down.

If H. Walker had still been on the roster when Emmitt held out, we wouldn't have missed him so much.

And as much as I like M. Irvin, and as well as I think he did last night on "Quite Frankly" , he still needs to learn that humility is a fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Skip]

I didn't like what Irvin did off the field, but on the field I don't think there was a player with more impact on his team than Irvin. Not only was he a great WR, he was the heart of the team! When he retired the heart (fire) was gone.

There were guys that caught more passes and guys that were much faster, but none better at catching the ball in traffic, making the play as in Playmaker!

 

[Dough Boy]

And as much as I like M. Irvin, and as well as I think he did last night on "Quite Frankly" , he still needs to learn that humility is a fruit of the Spirit.

If you belive your own comment, then you also should believe the following. Judge as ye shall be judged.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I see Irvin is still yelling, "TO to Dallas"

Big Bill couldnt control Antonio Bryant, a young guy with absolutely no skins on the wall...

But...

Big Bill can control Terrell Owens, an older guy, with many skins on the wall, absolutely stuck in his ways.

?

- Mike G.

 

[Ashwynn]

Man Zax, you sure your a boys fan? I haven't heard a good word out of you yet. If your not putting Bledsoe down, your bashing another team member. You even know the definition of HAPPY? Cause you sure dont sound like a happy little cowboys fan, more like a pissed off skins fan, maybe its time you went back home!!!!! Extreme skins has to missing you by now.

 

[WV Cowboy]

If you belive your own comment, then you also should believe the following. Judge as ye shall be judged.

Friend, ... I was making an observation, I was not passing judgement.
I was making a helpful suggestion to MI.

If you don't agree, you may want to take it up with Paul, the author of Philippians, a much wiser man than me ...

Philippians 2:1-3 (Imitating Christ's Humility )
1If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

Or read some Proverbs ....
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.
The fear of the LORD teaches a man wisdom, and humility comes before honor.
Before his downfall a man's heart is proud, but humility comes before honor.
Humility and the fear of the LORD bring wealth and honor and life.

I said what I did with MI best interest at heart.

 

[Zaxor]

Man Zax, you sure your a boys fan? I haven't heard a good word out of you yet. If your not putting Bledsoe down, your bashing another team member. You even know the definition of HAPPY? Cause you sure dont sound like a happy little cowboys fan, more like a pissed off skins fan, maybe its time you went back home!!!!! Extreme skins has to missing you by now.

I do NOT put Bledsoe down I put him where he belongs...I just gave Emmitt and Mike their due and believe that out of the three Troy benefited the most...which is what I said... in my personal life I am quite happy and contented and as far as the Cowboys go...NO I am not satisfied and anybody that is well...lets just leave it at that...Now if you have anything further to discuss understand this I will debate you on any post or opinion I made but keep it to the post or opinion... IF you are unable to do that then see a Mod as I am sure they will be able to help you further...

 

[braw]

Irvin said that "TO played with a chip on his shoulder and also carried that chip in life". Irvin also expressed" TO would be better off, if he lost that chip in life and kept it on the field".

Another player comes to mind when I think of TO. Dennis Rodman is the TO of basketball. Both are scared kids who just need to feel wanted, so they create alter egos to defend their weakness. They both produce at their jobs but come with emotional baggage.

 

[Dough Boy]

Friend, ... I was making an observation, I was not passing judgement.
I was making a helpful suggestion to MI.

If you don't agree, you may want to take it up with Paul, the author of Philippians, a much wiser man than me ...

Philippians 2:1-3 (Imitating Christ's Humility )
1If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

Or read some Proverbs ....
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.
The fear of the LORD teaches a man wisdom, and humility comes before honor.
Before his downfall a man's heart is proud, but humility comes before honor.
Humility and the fear of the LORD bring wealth and honor and life.

I said what I did with MI best interest at heart.

If it was for MI best interest, why not say it to him. How is your saying this in a place that MI is least likely to receive it, in his best interest?

I agree that God loves a humble servant. But I also agree that it is up to Him to decided and/or judge if someone is humble or not. I can not decide b/c I don't know MI's heart. Neither does any other man.

Be Blessed my Friend.

 

[QT]

Anyone remember that Carolina playoff game when we lost to Kerry Collins and the Panthers? Remember Irvin went down? After Irvin went down, Troy had problems with the passing game. They both work well together. Irvin was DEFINITELY the emotional leader of the cowboys when they played.

Those two were great together. On the field and off the field. Remember when someone (Kevin Williams) said that Troy singled out black players to yell at. Then Michael took Troy side and said that was nonsense. Later on Troy went to Irvin's trials to support him. It was a great bond between the two.

Nowadays you kinda see it with Peyton and Marvin/ Carson and C Johnson/ and I remember Eli and Burress had a segment on TV where they are trying to get closer by going out to the field earlier to practice together, having a locker next to each other.

 

[WV Cowboy]

If it was for MI best interest, why not say it to him. How is your saying this in a place that MI is least likely to receive it, in his best interest?

Mike hasn't called lately, I don't know what's up with that.

I agree that God loves a humble servant. But I also agree that it is up to Him to decided and/or judge if someone is humble or not. I can not decide b/c I don't know MI's heart. Neither does any other man.

You don't have to know the secrets of a man's heart to know if he is humble, only listen to his opinion of himself when he speaks.

Don't act like you have never thought the same about someone after listening to them brag about themself.

I didn't pass judgement on him, I only made a comment on his comments.

There is a difference.

 

[Dough Boy]

Mike hasn't called lately, I don't know what's up with that.



You don't have to know the secrets of a man's heart to know if he is humble, only listen to his opinion of himself when he speaks.

Don't act like you have never thought the same about someone after listening to them brag about themself.

I didn't pass judgement on him, I only made a comment on his comments.

There is a difference.

You do a great job of quoting Bible versus.

I have judged people b/f, and I was wrong for doing. I'm sure I will have a lapse in the future, and I'll be wrong then. I can only ask forgiveness when I do so.

FYI, Its not for me to say whether MI or anyone else is humble or not.

 

[Dough Boy]

I didn't pass judgement on him, I only made a comment on his comments.

There is a difference.

His comments lead you to a conclusion. Yes...

 

[WV Cowboy]

You do a great job of quoting Bible versus.

I have judged people b/f, and I was wrong for doing. I'm sure I will have a lapse in the future, and I'll be wrong then. I can only ask forgiveness when I do so.

FYI, Its not for me to say whether MI or anyone else is humble or not.

Again, I did not judge MI.

How can I make you understand the difference ?

For me to comment that a man is a murderer, a thief, or arrogant and proud, is just that, ... a comment, an observation.

Now if I say that because that person is a murderer or thief, then he is going to hell, ... then I have judged him.

I did not judge MI.

 

[Ashwynn]

You do a great job of quoting Bible versus.

I have judged people b/f, and I was wrong for doing. I'm sure I will have a lapse in the future, and I'll be wrong then. I can only ask forgiveness when I do so.

FYI, Its not for me to say whether MI or anyone else is humble or not.

Well, I can say, without judging michael, hes not humble. Hes a very proud man and proud of his accomplishments. As he should be.

To call michael proud or flambouant or pompass is not a judgement, he displays these characteristics daily. If you every heard 1 comment by michael, thats all you need to hear to know hes not humble. and thats not a judgement, if it be a lable, its a label he applied to himself.

Calling Michael Irvin humble would be like calling Deion Sanders humble. You just cant sell that glass of water to a man dying of thirst!

 

[Paniolo22]

I didn't know I was coming in to the 700 Club.

 

[Kilyin]

I didn't know I was coming in to the 700 Club.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I didn't know I was coming in to the 700 Club.

What made you think you did ?

 

[braw]

Well, I can say, without judging michael, hes not humble. Hes a very proud man and proud of his accomplishments. As he should be.

To call michael proud or flambouant or pompass is not a judgement, he displays these characteristics daily. If you every heard 1 comment by michael, thats all you need to hear to know hes not humble. and thats not a judgement, if it be a lable, its a label he applied to himself.

Calling Michael Irvin humble would be like calling Deion Sanders humble. You just cant sell that glass of water to a man dying of thirst!

The important issue that is not being addressed is Michael Irvin's character on TV is the same as Michael Irvin on the street. To call MI humble or not humble is not the answer but whether MI is the same on or off the camera. MI can be humble out of his character(those who know him would know) but for people who just see him on camera and make a statement like they know him personally is a judgement.

The MI as a cowboy, hurricane, and now on ESPN is in the spot light or better yet in character. Can everybody be the same at work as they are at home.

 

[jobberone]

it may surprise you that the oline sucks only a little if you get Bledsoe out of there instead of sucking massively with him in there

I don't understand how you can say this. Bledsoe was putting up Pro Bowl numbers and people had him at the top of the league, how much he was unappreciated, yada. Then Flo goes down and you know the rest.

If you give any special QB like Aikman, Staubach, or any HOF QB the weapons he needs around him which includes good RBs, WRs, TEs and the OL to make it all work then you have a special offense and likey a special team even if the defense is just above adequate and not even great.

I think Bledsoe is a special QB. Marino never won it all but he's one of the best QBs ever. Bledsoe might be thought of completely differently if he had never gotten injured and let Brady get the ball. I believe Bledsoe would still be in NE and have the accolades Brady has. Brady would likely be a very good to great QB somewhere else depending on the weapons he had beside him including obviously a good defense.

If you want to say Bledsoe is not a very mobile QB I highly agree. He does step up in the pocket and is a very good QB. But don't think he can beat the defensive line at times and still make a play. He's not McNair or McNabb. He's not a Vick or even a Quincy Carter from that aspect. But most winning teams have an OL that can protect the QB.

Why do you think we collapsed from 7-3 to 9-7? Teams figured out how to stop the offense and it was easy. Just overrun the OL and make Dallas win with the big play. And we could not do that with one or two receivers due to having to be in maximum protection; especially with no run either. And despite that we still were in every game except one and that games outcome was due to turnovers. What a great job Parcells and Zimmer did to keep this flawed team in it to the end.

The collapse of this team was caused by the breakdown of the OL. Glenn, Key, Witten, JJ, Barber and Bledsoe didn't fail because of their lack of ability.

There are reasons why Elway, Marino, Tarkento and others were considered "not great" and "flawed" because they never won it all (Elway finally threw off the burden just as Dallas threw off not a great franchise with the 71 team). Bledsoe is in the same league now. Great numbers, great arm with all the throws but can't win.

That's a mistake. IMO we are fortunate to have a big league QB who can win with his arm. We need a good OL and a safety along with improved play from our LBs with perhaps a very good vet LB thrown in there to be a very good team. This team could not only make the playoffs with those problems addressed but even surprise people and win a SB. I expect we are two years away from being a legitimate SB contender but.....

Bledsoe is good enough for us. We need to address other problems. Just my 19 cents.