Michael Vick "revolutionized" NFL football; do we have past Cowboys who did the same?

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Thanks, was just going to mention Landry, Schramm & Brandt, as well as Hayes.

I'll add Thomas Hollywood Henderson, and maybe it's a stretch, he was the LT before LT revolutionize LB's. He just didn't last in the league as long.

Agree with all of that, especially Henderson. That is the first player I thought of after reading the OP.

 

[bark]

Has there ever been a linebacker other than Henderson that was used as a kickoff returner? I remember him returning at least one for a touchdown . Ran a 4.3 40 amazing athlete. I heard LT say in an interview that he chose 56 because Hollywood wore it.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Cowboys that "revolutionized" the NFL like Vick? Off the top of my head: Lance Rentzel, Rafael Septien, Nate Newton, Sherman Willams, Sam Hurd.... I probably missed a few.

 

[NumOneQB]

Such short sightedness here, but why am I not surprised??? Vick did have an impact on the NFL. How have people forgotten Jerruh's mad grab for a mobile QB because of what Vick had done for Atlanta's franchise? Did everyone forget how he single handedly lead an average Falcons team into Lambeau Field and beat Favre during playoff time? Vick was a running QB, no question. But the NFL evolved and figured out a mobile QB can be a viable part of the offense. Kapernick, Wilson, Newton, hell even Romo, etc. There's a reason we see less and less of Bledsoe like statues in the pocket. It won't change as college & high schools have already made this transition.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't really think Vick revolutionized the game.

Other QBs before him were mobile and scrambled around a lot.

I think he did advance things a but in that he was more of a run first guy whereas most before him were pass first. It was by force no doubt because he couldn't pass but I think it did sort of get people thinking about what things could be if a guy had his athleticism on top of passing ability.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Such short sightedness here, but why am I not surprised??? Vick did have an impact on the NFL.

Love the condescension. Really improves the board's morale and encourages participation.

Just fyi : The words "revolutionize" and "impact" are not synonyms.

Bobby Douglass - Bears - 1972 - 968 yds rushing - 14 games - 6.9 yds per
Randall Cunningham - Eagles - 1990 - 942 yds rushing - 16 games - 8.0 yds per
Michael Vick - Eagles - 2006 - 1039 yds rushing - 16 games - 7.7 yds per

 

[NumOneQB]

Love the condescension. Really improves the board's morale and encourages participation.

Just fyi : The words "revolutionize" and "impact" are not synonyms.

Bobby Douglass - Bears - 1972 - 968 yds rushing - 14 games - 6.9 yds per
Randall Cunningham - Eagles - 1990 - 942 yds rushing - 16 games - 8.0 yds per
Michael Vick - Eagles - 2006 - 1039 yds rushing - 16 games - 7.7 yds per

Pot calling the kettle black? So now we're picking at the legitimacy of terms to prop up our intelligence, eh? You pick up a thesaurus for assurance before you click that post button? Well since you're doing so, let me tell you I have 2 degrees, along with a minor in English. Is that chest thump, "my schlong is bigger" enough for you?

 

[Silver Surfer]

Pot calling the kettle black? So now we're picking at the legitimacy of terms to prop up our intelligence, eh? You pick up a thesaurus for assurance before you click that post button? Well since you're doing so, let me tell you I have 2 degrees, along with a minor in English. Is that chest thump, "my schlong is bigger" enough for you?

If you have a minor in English, surely you should know the difference. Your first post on this thread comes with a bunch of attitude toward the board, and I called you on it. I backed up my point with facts. You backed your position up with your schlong? For an educated person, you're not arguing well. Keep digging.

 

[NumOneQB]

If you have a minor in English, surely you should know the difference. Your first post on this thread comes with a bunch of attitude toward the board, and I called you on it. I backed up my point with facts. You backed your position up with your schlong? For an educated person, you're not arguing well. Keep digging.

Well, print reads with more sarcasm than implied. I will admit that.But, revolutionizing the game was inferred with my post. In any case, I am on a Cowboy board so I shouldn't be surprised at some of the responses here. I'm a Cows fan, not a Falcons fan by any means, but Vick did change the game, IMO.

 

[Silver Surfer]

I've got no problems with anyone having a contrary opinion. However, tone and context are huge contributors to perception. My opinion on the Barry Sanders vs Emmitt Smith ranking will get me slammed every time here. It's more well liked on the Lions board. (By the way, BBA/MBA... "Sproing" )

 

[NumOneQB]

I've got no problems with anyone having a contrary opinion. However, tone and context are huge contributors to perception. My opinion on the Barry Sanders vs Emmitt Smith ranking will get me slammed every time here. It's more well liked on the Lions board. (By the way, BBA/MBA... "Sproing" )

I've got to admit, the Silver Surfer handle really made me back up. I'm a huge Marvel comics fan , I figured you had to be a good guy with good intentions with that handle. My little boy loves SS, too...


Plus my original post does read a bit douchey..

 

[5Stars]

Vick revolutionized something, but it was not football. I won't get into specifics.

 

[Silver Surfer]

I've got to admit, the Silver Surfer handle really made me back up. I'm a huge Marvel comics fan , I figured you had to be a good guy with good intentions with that handle. My little boy loves SS, too...


Plus my original post does read a bit douchey..

(Holding out hands...) Kumbaya!

 

[xwalker]

The zone defense was invented to contain Bob Hayes.

The NFL implemented rules to contain several Cowboys because other teams couldn't.

Erik Williams - Hands to the face
Michael Irvin - Push-off rule
Roy Oklahoma Williams - Horse Collar

Larry Allen caused the invention of Allenitis. Have NFL DLinemen or NFL Linebackers ever faked injury because they were scare of another player?

 

[joseephuss]

Such short sightedness here, but why am I not surprised??? Vick did have an impact on the NFL. How have people forgotten Jerruh's mad grab for a mobile QB because of what Vick had done for Atlanta's franchise? Did everyone forget how he single handedly lead an average Falcons team into Lambeau Field and beat Favre during playoff time? Vick was a running QB, no question. But the NFL evolved and figured out a mobile QB can be a viable part of the offense. Kapernick, Wilson, Newton, hell even Romo, etc. There's a reason we see less and less of Bledsoe like statues in the pocket. It won't change as college & high schools have already made this transition.

I have forgotten. Which mobile QB did Jerry grab in response to Vick's "success" in Atlanta?

Love the condescension. Really improves the board's morale and encourages participation.

Just fyi : The words "revolutionize" and "impact" are not synonyms.

Bobby Douglass - Bears - 1972 - 968 yds rushing - 14 games - 6.9 yds per
Randall Cunningham - Eagles - 1990 - 942 yds rushing - 16 games - 8.0 yds per
Michael Vick - Eagles - 2006 - 1039 yds rushing - 16 games - 7.7 yds per

Cunningham Eagles--1990--3466 passing yards, 30 passing TDs, 13 Ints
Vick Falcons-2006--2006--2474 passing yards, 20 passing TDs, 13 Ints

I don't see the revolution.

 

[Blackspider214]

Fail to see how he was revolutionary. We have seen running QBs before. And ones that were more successful. Plus he could never stay on the field.

 

[gimmesix]

He definitely wasn't the first mobile quarterback, but he did change the way defenses gameplan for them. I think Vick was truly the first RUNNING quarterback.

To me, he's different than a McNair, Young or Cunningham. Those guys could run but it wasn't the first thing they thought of when they took the snap.

It certainly was the first time where the fastest guy on the field was the QB.

But then teams figured out he couldn't consistently throw the football accurately and it made all of that speed more of a sideshow than the type of game-changing threat it would have been if he was more than just "the fastest guy on the field."

There are other QBs who possess adequate running ability but can also pass who make game-planning for them a bigger headache.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Vick did not revolutionize the game by any stretch of the imagination. There were amazing scramblers way before Vick. Case in point:
Roger Staubach
Fran Tarkenton
Early in Staubach's career, he ran way more than Coach Landry would have preferred. With time he matured into a pocket passer first, runner second QB. The same thing happened with Tarkenton. The difference is Staubach and Tarkenton with time developed into real quarterbacks while Vick never did.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't see the revolution.

Welcome to the normal thinking crowd. We don't either.

 

[joseephuss]

Welcome to the normal thinking crowd. We don't either.

I change my mind. The NFL did have a revolution because of Michael Vick. No team has followed the Falcons blueprint of drafting an undersized, inaccurate passer, oft inured, running QB as the #1 overall pick. They revolted against that type of QB.