Michael Vick "revolutionized" NFL football; do we have past Cowboys who did the same?

[bsheeern]

Didn't they change the RB (stiff arm punch) rule because of Marion Barber?

Obviously Landry, Bullet, Schram, Brandt, our Cheerleaders & Roger (hail marry pass found a name).

Roy Williams had a lot to do with the rules changes in terms of hitting as well as the horse collar tackle.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Michael who? Is that the dude who used to play for Atlanta? Yeah I vaguely remember him.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Was it Erik williams, hands to the face penalty?

I don't remember the NFL making a rule based on his play. If anything the NFL might have instituted a rule about being so ugly. But he was a great lineman!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Didn't they change the RB (stiff arm punch) rule because of Marion Barber?

Obviously Landry, Bullet, Schram, Brandt, our Cheerleaders & Roger (hail marry pass found a name).

Roy Williams had a lot to do with the rules changes in terms of hitting as well as the horse collar tackle.

Cheerleaders! Yes! Good one!

Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders helped change the face of the NFL.

More and more I find how groundbreaking the Cowboys half been. Take that, Packers, Browns, Washington (pejorative name) and the rest of the old-school detritus!!!!!

 

[boysfanindc]

I think Bob Lilly changed the perception of what a DT could be in the NFL, he had a rare combination of size, strength and speed/quickness that had not been seen before.

A penetrating style, not just a plug it up DT.

 

[Chuck 54]

BS....Vick did NOT revolutionize the game. If he changed the game, that would mean most teams seek out similar running QB's for their teams, not just mobile guys. Or it would mean he changed the way teams play defense. Neither happened in relation to Vick.

The fact that he's the best player on his team and can take off and run for 50 yards and that a defense game plans for him makes him no different than any other best weapon on any offense from the beginning of the pro league to now. That's not revolutionizing the game; if anything, teams are still avoiding the running QB's unless they are also accurate passers.

The NFL has not changed the way it does anything because of Vick, Cunningham, or RGIII. Anyone remember Bobby Douglas of the Bears back in the 70's?

" In 1972, when the Bears were awful and finished 4-9-1, Douglass scrambled and ran and dodged his way to 968 rushing yards. That set a record for rushing by a quarterback in a single season which stood for 34 years until Michael Vick broke it in 2006 -- by 71 yards, and Vick had two more games in a 16-game season. To put it in better perspective, Douglass finished 11th among all rushers that year and led the league with 6.9 yards per carry. Vick's total of 1039 yards in 2006 was almost 200 yards behind the top ten."

Nothing against Vick....he was a weapon and a great player at his best, but revolutionized the game? Ha...only in the minds of folks who don't really know the NFL or its history.

 

[burmafrd]

BS....Vick did NOT revolutionize the game. If he changed the game, that would mean most teams seek out similar running QB's for their teams, not just mobile guys. Or it would mean he changed the way teams play defense. Neither happened in relation to Vick.

The fact that he's the best player on his team and can take off and run for 50 yards and that a defense game plans for him makes him no different than any other best weapon on any offense from the beginning of the pro league to now. That's not revolutionizing the game; if anything, teams are still avoiding the running QB's unless they are also accurate passers.

The NFL has not changed the way it does anything because of Vick, Cunningham, or RGIII. Anyone remember Bobby Douglas of the Bears back in the 70's?

" In 1972, when the Bears were awful and finished 4-9-1, Douglass scrambled and ran and dodged his way to 968 rushing yards. That set a record for rushing by a quarterback in a single season which stood for 34 years until Michael Vick broke it in 2006 -- by 71 yards, and Vick had two more games in a 16-game season. To put it in better perspective, Douglass finished 11th among all rushers that year and led the league with 6.9 yards per carry. Vick's total of 1039 yards in 2006 was almost 200 yards behind the top ten."

Nothing against Vick....he was a weapon and a great player at his best, but revolutionized the game? Ha...only in the minds of folks who don't really know the NFL or its history.

Old enough to remember watching Douglas play. He would have been perfect in trying the wishbone in the Pros. He was 230 lbs or so and built like a LB. He could have taken the punishment. Just imagine if he had come in about 6 years later and they had Payton. What a running threat that would have been.

 

[Doomsday101]

for a guy who has changed the games he sure has found his way to the bench quite often in his career. lol

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

for a guy who has changed the games he sure has found his way to the bench quite often in his career. lol

He revolutionized "the way" you get benched? Lmao

 

[VirusX]

Changing the way defenses had to prepare for his teams. Yes... Revolutionary. No...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

What half we learned?

Conclusions:
Vick was a good running QB
Vick was benched a lot.
Vick maybe is a legend in his own mind
Vick has been well traveled as a QB (I wonder why)
Vick is (for now) a benchwarmer (Hey, that is not revolutionary!)
Vick's Formula is be fast (Yet, his speed did not keep him from the grasp of the law), be agile, be your own PR person
Vick might be the first 'revolutionary' QB who be a felon
Vick spelled backward is Kciv which in Lapland means stupidz)
And his claim to fame is that he edged out Vince Young as a starter in Philly's "Dream Team"
His brother prove the adage: You can pick your nose but you can't pick your relatives.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Mike Vick didn't revolutionize anything.
There's plenty of QBs before him that had his type of game or better.

Tobin Rote.

 

[muck4doo]

Ed Jones and his ball slapping ways.

 

[kelc]

Vick was just a great runner and a very inconsistent passer. I wouldn't call that revolutionary.hell there were games were Vick couldn't hit the ground with a pass, so he ran. Revolutionary to me was bringing back the shotgun which Landry did and i believe he was the first to do run and passing packages.Those changed the game.

 

[MapleLeaf]

D. Woodson: Was a prototype of the new age NFL safety. He could hit, lead and cover anything. He is the blue print for the current safety model. His peers were either big hitters or cover guys.

Uuumm...the guy whom you are talking about is actually Ronnie Lott. Unbelievable cover guy and no one in the league during his prime hit harder.

Lott had a Hall of Fame career that dwarfs what Woodson did and I like Woodson.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

What half we learned?

Conclusions:
Vick was a good running QB
Vick was benched a lot.
Vick maybe is a legend in his own mind
Vick has been well traveled as a QB (I wonder why)
Vick is (for now) a benchwarmer (Hey, that is not revolutionary!)
Vick's Formula is be fast (Yet, his speed did not keep him from the grasp of the law), be agile, be your own PR person
Vick might be the first 'revolutionary' QB who be a felon
Vick spelled backward is Kciv which in Lapland means stupidz)
And his claim to fame is that he edged out Vince Young as a starter in Philly's "Dream Team"
His brother prove the adage: You can pick your nose but you can't pick your relatives.

you are one of a kind...

 

[Bullflop]

I'm not especially convinced "revolutionized" is the correct word for how Michael Vick affected the QB position. Certainly there have been other QBs like Fran Tarkenton, Roger Staubach and Randall Cunningham that also changed perceptions as to how modern day QBs should ideally function. In my estimation, he simply continued a pattern that several other QBs well before him initiated. I do believe he's largely a "legend in his own mind," although he most assuredly deserves credit for his contributions as well.

 

[Tex]

The only Cowboys PLAYER that changed the game was Bob Hayes. We have had lots of outstanding players that had to be game planned for! But the NFL had never seen anything like Bob Hayes before and he really did change the game as we know it.

Tex

 

[joseephuss]

He did not revolutionize the NFL. There was nothing special about running for 1039 yards in 2006. It would be impressive if his passing yards were also high, but they weren't. He was 22nd in passing in 2006.Combine his rushing yards, passing yards and yards lost to sacks in 2006 and he doesn't finish in the top 10 yards produced that season. He also only finishes 15th in yards per game that season with 200.6. Two hundred yards per game passing is a low number for QBs. That is how much he produced passing and rushing minus sack yards lost. That is not revolutionary.

 

[Wolfpack]

Uuumm...the guy whom you are talking about is actually Ronnie Lott. Unbelievable cover guy and no one in the league during his prime hit harder.

Lott had a Hall of Fame career that dwarfs what Woodson did and I like Woodson.

You are correct, Lott was a beast of a player, a true elite player. He did play cornerback for his first several seasons before the 49ers moved him to the safety position, so I didn't think of him as much but you have a great point.