Mickey and Broaddus fighting over Garrett again

[TheDude]

There was also the first drive of the fourth quarter that resulted in a Dez TD. Two first downs by penalties converted third downs but there were multiple catches to Witten, Dez and Williams along the way. They wanted to go back to that and Romo threw multiple picks.

That throw to the flat at the end of the 3rd quarter was a good throw that Murray dropped. It was intended to be a safe ball control play but ended as another example of poor execution.

Fans can talk about needing to run the ball more but raw pass/run stats don't speak the whole story. Garrett did attempt some ball control pass plays and Beasley and Murray dropped the ball. While it may be fun to pretend that runs are fool proof, you can look to that Choice run several years ago vs. Baltimore that demonstrates the lie in that.

For some reason fans think they are qualified to do Garrett's job and know the ins and outs of what goes into being the head coach of the team. To fans it's all about last minute clock management and run pass ratio but I see that as gross oversimplification. Unfortunately, player fandom is quasi-political so you dare not bring up two awful picks from Romo or the play of Wynn, Brown, Lawrence, Ware, Leary, Hanna, Pellerin, Heath, Lemon, Scandrick -who played like **** that game- or Hayden.

Nope let's pretend that a run on 1st and 10 at the end of the third quarter would have been executed any better than the simple screen Murray dropped off his hip or that a run on third down wouldn't have seen Leary whiff yet another block.

In the fourth quarter I think Garrett knew he had to keep the pedal on. And it likely would have worked except for the INTs. Maybe he also knew that he had to keep pressure on the last drive of the 3rd quarter since GB just scored TDs on 2 possessions. Up 12 with a minute to go in the 3rd and starting on the 15, I understand thinking that a run should have been called somewhere.

Parcells used to say that 4 negative outcomes can occur when you pass with a lead and 2 when you run and here that rang true. 1 happened on each down in that series on that series - Incomplete, Incomplete, sack. To your point though, the first pass play was high % and Murray just dropped it.

I dont really subscribe to conservative football. The defense probably could have used some clock burn, but since the end of quarter was there, it may not have mattered. Hard to argue "what ifs" - root cause is the defense was atrocious, the oline had a few inopportune breakdowns and first INT was preventable - 2nd was hard to pinpoint.

This game, Detroit, Den and NO are a Benny Hill gag reels on defense. It's hard to believe any team wins those.

I was more upset with the offense in SD and KC.and Chicago.

 

[Idgit]

In the 2nd half he averaged 4.5 ypc... kinda
We also saw two other rush attempts nullified by 10 yard holding penalties.
1 on Free and 1 on Dez.
Subtract 20 yards in holding penalties and on 8 attempts Dallas gained 8 yards rushing the ball.

We scored a TD via 6 straight passing attempts after the last of the holding calls.

GB had the ball with over 1:30 left at the end and was kneeling.
The only way to have beaten them was to play better.
Run/pass wasn't the big deal.

Wow. Nice post. Food for thought.

 

[50cent]

Unfortunately, that sequesnce of events didn't just start with the first play from scrimmage. T.Williams decision to run the ball out from 9 yards deep on the KO was just bad. He should have took the knee. Would that five years of field position changed what plays they would have called in that situation? I don't know, maybe, maybe not. The first play they ran could have been a brilliant playcall but Murray flat out dropped a perfect pass. Someone posted the screen grabs back after that game. Murray could have crawled to a first down. It was setup perfectly. Yes, in retrospect maybe they should have just handed the ball off. And I myself would have preferred that they did. But the first play was more poor execution than mismanagement. Now, 2nd and 3rd downs.... have at it, I won't argue those two were not crash and burns because they were. They could have at worse been punting to start the 4th quarter instead of on defense.

I honestly don't think that 5 yards meant anything. Youre up 29-17 and GB has just done you a favor by taking 5 minutes off the clock during a 12-play drive. There is only a minute left in the quarter, no need to pass. Run it twice and see what down and distance you have to manage to start the 4th. If its 3rd down, you would have had essentially an extra timeout to draw up a play with the change of the quarter. we go three and out, maybe not, but it is still inexcusable to call back to back passes to start that series.

 

[DanteEXT]

I honestly don't think that 5 yards meant anything. Youre up 29-17 and GB has just done you a favor by taking 5 minutes off the clock during a 12-play drive. There is only a minute left in the quarter, no need to pass. Run it twice and see what down and distance you have to manage to start the 4th. If its 3rd down, you would have had essentially an extra timeout to draw up a play with the change of the quarter. we go three and out, maybe not, but it is still inexcusable to call back to back passes to start that series.

I won't fault them on the 1st down dump off attempt, it should have been caught, no excuse for that drop. But I agree, 2nd down, run it and then make a decision on 3rd down (if they didn't pick up the 1st down).

 

[TheCount]

I think you guys are focusing way too much on one game. Garrett will not be retained or fired because of the GB game. Garrett's job as a HC goes way beyond managing run to pass ratio.

 

[50cent]

I won't fault them on the 1st down dump off attempt, it should have been caught, no excuse for that drop. But I agree, 2nd down, run it and then make a decision on 3rd down (if they didn't pick up the 1st down).

Agree to disagree, the end result was an incomplete. Clock stopped! Eliminate any probability that happens by simply calling a run. That's just one example of my frustrations with the play calling.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Agree to disagree, the end result was an incomplete. Clock stopped! Eliminate any probability that happens by simply calling a run. That's just one example of my frustrations with the play calling.

And what if Murray runs out of bounds as he did on the next drive? My frustration lies in the thinking that running the ball is foolproof.

 

[khiladi]

They'll bite till they become confident the front 7 is gonna make the stop and the coach tells em to just play pass, so ye ur a lill bit right but the line has just become good enough to do that last year. I would never say the play action doesnt work

Lol... Less then a second's worth of hesitation is enough to get a WR wide open.

And DBs will play the run, when the RB has the ball. Just stop..

 

[50cent]

And what if Murray runs out of bounds as he did on the next drive? My frustration lies in the thinking that running the ball is foolproof.

Show me what drive you speak of! Not one single run on the play by play sheet indicates that the clock stopped on a run in the 4th qtr. Not one! Youre making stuff up.

 

[rpntex]

Green Bay had yet to prove they could stop the run. They were overloading the box before then and Murray still gouged them.

It's something that dates back to 2009, ironically against the Packers and Dom Capers. If you stack the box and/or show blitz...Garrett/Romo will refuse to try and run the ball. Capers said so himself after the game stating that if the Cowboys had run the ball against the blitz, he would have been afraid to keep on blitzing because all you have to do is get the ball carrier past the blitzer and you have a giant gain.

Yet, 4 years later Garrett and Romo still don't get it.

Running the ball against 8 in the box isn't a crazy theory by any means.






YR

Oh, I agree. If you'll notice in my post that I said I understand the philosophy, but it really bothered me at the time that Dallas didn't even try to run the ball. My exact quote was

"I do, however, have a huge issue with not even making the attempt to run the ball on 1st down. See what happens. Maybe Dallas picks up more yardage than you would anticipate facing an 8-man front. But if you don't and then go pass-pass-pass, at least you tried, and have something to bolster your argument. So while I think the philosophy is somewhat sound, Garrett and Co. didn't do a good job of testing it out."

 

[OhSnap]

Lol... Less then a second's worth of hesitation is enough to get a WR wide open.

And DBs will play the run, when the RB has the ball. Just stop..

In 2012 the Cowboys averaged 3.6 ypc, no one was worried about them running the ball in fact they were begging them to run the ball, if nobody but you own coach fears your running game you can fake all you want and the safeties arent gonna bite.

 

[dboyz]

The critics are gonna have something to say either way, but again your hypothetical situation assumes 3 and outs! Why? Nothing that day indicated we couldn't run vs them. Nothing, but we always assume it will. Go look at our last drive of the 3rd qtr and the amount of time that ran off and tell me that's not mismanagement of the clock. Nothing justifies that drive but an absolute disbelief in calling the run because it's a necessary evil.

That drive alone should be grounds for dismissal.

IMO, the defense did enough of a job in the first half that the ultimate demise was:

1. 2nd half playing
2. Play design, not enough screens, bootlegs or draws!
3. Defense that played entirely too much in the 2nd half.

I'm not assuming 3 and outs. I'm saying it is unknown. My point is when a defense is that bad to give up back to back to back to back to back scores, any answer on offense could be the wrong answer because there is no margin for error. Garrett assumed they would need to move the ball and get more points and that was correct.

 

[khiladi]

In 2012 the Cowboys averaged 3.6 ypc, no one was worried about them running the ball in fact they were begging them to run the ball, if nobody but you own coach fears your running game you can fake all you want and the safeties arent gonna bite.

So are you saying a team never needs 3.6 yds to get a first down? So are you saying that the Cowboys, every time they ran, ran for only 3.6 yards? Are you implying DBs never have the responsibility to pay attention to the run, because a team averages 3.6 YPC?

You know maybe, part of the reason they were averaging that much is because they were quite predictable. You see, teams thinking Dallas was going to pass, ended up passing. When they showed run, the defense keyed in in the run. Instead of mixing it up.

What part of last in play action for teams that are primarily throwing teams don't you understand?

 

[Dodger12]

One of the fastest ways to blow a 20 point lead is to change what you were doing to build the lead....

I agree with this but Garrett did just that. We destroyed them on the ground in the first half enroute to building a 23 point lead. GB didn't stop our ground game, Garrett did.

 

[Wood]

ended up watching the whole show. Thanks for that.

 

[OhSnap]

So are you saying a team never needs 3.6 yds to get a first down? So are you saying that the Cowboys, every time they ran, ran for only 3.6 yards? Are you implying DBs never have the responsibility to pay attention to the run, because a team averages 3.6 YPC?

You know maybe, part of the reason they were averaging that much is because they were quite predictable. You see, teams thinking Dallas was going to pass, ended up passing. When they showed run, the defense keyed in in the run. Instead of mixing it up.

What part of last in play action for teams that are primarily throwing teams don't you understand?

Who do you think the play action is gonna be more successful with. Emmitt Smith in the backfield or Felix Jones? If I was a safety I would be more inclined to stick with my receiver when Jones was taking the handoff because I'm confident my front 7 can stop him with Phil Costa blocking. I'm not even sure they had the extra half a second to burn on a fake handoff with some of the blocking they had. But I would love to see it make a comeback this year along with the draw play.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think you guys are focusing way too much on one game. Garrett will not be retained or fired because of the GB game. Garrett's job as a HC goes way beyond managing run to pass ratio.

Yessir. Play calling has been just a small bit of the problems.

But at least he gets guys who make at least 300K to show up and work hard.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Show me what drive you speak of! Not one single run on the play by play sheet indicates that the clock stopped on a run in the 4th qtr. Not one! Youre making stuff up.

12:04 mark of 4th quarter run and pass to the right and he went out of bounds on both plays. There were penalties but the clock was stopped.

 

[50cent]

12:04 mark of 4th quarter run and pass to the right and he went out of bounds on both plays. There were penalties but the clock was stopped.

Did the clock stop Or are you again making stuff up? 1st and 5 took place after the penalty and the play was run at 11:31. Now does it take 33 sec to run 15 yards or was the play clock started after the ball was spotted? Same thing happened the next play, because another penalty happened and the following play took place at 11:08. Again, did it take 23 sec. to lose one yard or did the play clock again start after marking off the penalty?

3-5-DAL 25 (12:04) (Shotgun) PENALTY on GB-M.Neal, Encroachment, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 25 - No Play. X22

1-10-DAL 30 (12:04) D.Murray right end to DAL 45 for 15 yards (M.Burnett).

PENALTY on DAL-D.Bryant, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DAL 45.

1-5-DAL 35 (11:31) T.Romo pass short right to D.Murray to DAL 34 for -1 yards (B.Jones).

PENALTY on GB-B.Jones, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at DAL 34. X23

1-10-DAL 49 (11:08) (Shotgun) T.Romo pass deep middle to J.Witten to GB 24 for 27 yards (B.Jones; M.Hyde). Pass complete on a "seam" route.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did the clock stop Or are you again making stuff up? 1st and 5 took place after the penalty and the play was run at 11:31. Now does it take 33 sec to run 15 yards or was the play clock started after the ball was spotted? Same thing happened the next play, because another penalty happened and the following play took place at 11:08. Again, did it take 23 sec. to lose one yard or did the play clock again start after marking off the penalty?

3-5-DAL 25 (12:04) (Shotgun) PENALTY on GB-M.Neal, Encroachment, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 25 - No Play. X22

1-10-DAL 30 (12:04) D.Murray right end to DAL 45 for 15 yards (M.Burnett).

PENALTY on DAL-D.Bryant, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DAL 45.

1-5-DAL 35 (11:31) T.Romo pass short right to D.Murray to DAL 34 for -1 yards (B.Jones).

PENALTY on GB-B.Jones, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at DAL 34. X23

1-10-DAL 49 (11:08) (Shotgun) T.Romo pass deep middle to J.Witten to GB 24 for 27 yards (B.Jones; M.Hyde). Pass complete on a "seam" route.

I watched the game he ran out of bounds on both of the plays and the clock was stopped. The bottomline here is that running the ball is not the foolproof defense protector that people want it to be. The defense couldn't get anyone off the field and the offense failed to execute.