Mike Lombardi Rips Jason Garrett's Coaching Ability

[cml750]

Oh, I've definitely heard idiots who didn't recognize the level Tony Romo played at complaining about Tony. What I said was that they didn't give Garrett a pass in favor of blaming Tony. The same guys who jumped all over Tony jumped over Garrett, because they somehow failed to realize year after year that the problems weren't really with the offense at all.

Edit: Oh never-mind, I started to argue this but I get tired of beating my head against that wall. Lets still agree to disagree on the past my friend.

I hope we can agree that Garrett should finally start to be held accountable this year. The time for granting him a pass should be coming to an end even for his most die hard supporters.

 

[Idgit]

...I hope we can agree that Garrett should finally start to be held accountable this year. The time for granting him a pass should be coming to an end even for his most die hard supporters.

I wish we could, because I'm an agreeable guy. But I can't get my head around how you guys define taking over a team at 1-7, cutting Marion Barber, Roy Williams, Leonard Davis, Marc Colombo, and Andre Gurode, and still going 8-8 the next year as a failure in the first place. I don't get how 12-4 in 2014 is somehow a bad season, or how taking a rookie 3rd string QB to 13-3 and another NFCE title are things you guys hold against him as things he needs to be 'held accountable' for.

Whether you like it or not, his extension, and the recognition he got for the coach of the year award, the teams increased winning percentage....these are all him being held accountable. The problem is, it's evidence he's doing a good job, and not that he's failed just because you/others/whoever expected him to take a team with a franchise-worst defensive unit to the Superbowl because the team had Tony Romo on it.

And I don't 'grant him a pass.' He's made his share of mistakes. What I'm saying is his team is progressing, and it has progressed pretty much from the moment he got here. Why would we stop that process before it actually stalls, just to take a chance on another guy doing it better? The answer is, you wouldn't, unless you were pretty damn sure that other guy would progress farther or faster. And there aren't many guys you can really say that about on the open coaching market.

 

[haleyrules]

Doing more with a better team is not the ultimate trump. It does muddy the waters a bit though.

Wade was a good guy to have in charge in 2007 after Parcels quit. He wasn't the guy to sustain or build a team. He is a hell of a DC.

Garrett's far from teflon. He's practically the opposite. And nobody with a brain blames Romo for anything. He was a very good QB.

Romo was a good QB...sometimes he was very good...but never, ever when it counted...very similiar to...ahhh Jason Garrett. This year will really tell the tale regarding Jason. Its his chance to shine....and l really hope he does.

 

[haleyrules]

I wish we could, because I'm an agreeable guy. But I can't get my head around how you guys define taking over a team at 1-7, cutting Marion Barber, Roy Williams, Leonard Davis, Marc Colombo, and Andre Gurode, and still going 8-8 the next year as a failure in the first place. I don't get how 12-4 in 2014 is somehow a bad season, or how taking a rookie 3rd string QB to 13-3 and another NFCE title are things you guys hold against him as things he needs to be 'held accountable' for.

Whether you like it or not, his extension, and the recognition he got for the coach of the year award, the teams increased winning percentage....these are all him being held accountable. The problem is, it's evidence he's doing a good job, and not that he's failed just because you/others/whoever expected him to take a team with a franchise-worst defensive unit to the Superbowl because the team had Tony Romo on it.

And I don't 'grant him a pass.' He's made his share of mistakes. What I'm saying is his team is progressing, and it has progressed pretty much from the moment he got here. Why would we stop that process before it actually stalls, just to take a chance on another guy doing it better? The answer is, you wouldn't, unless you were pretty damn sure that other guy would progress farther or faster. And there aren't many guys you can really say that about on the open coaching market.

..your posts!!

 

[ShortRound]

Romo was a good QB...sometimes he was very good...but never, ever when it counted...very similiar to...ahhh Jason Garrett. This year will really tell the tale regarding Jason. Its his chance to shine....and l really hope he does.

I'm hoping he finally does get over the playoff slump. It's in everyone's best interest that he succeeds, if not what do we do? Start over. Ugh.

 

[haleyrules]

Edit: Oh never-mind, I started to argue this but I get tired of beating my head against that wall. Lets still agree to disagree on the past my friend.

I hope we can agree that Garrett should finally start to be held accountable this year. The time for granting him a pass should be coming to an end even for his most die hard supporters.

Amen. What NFL coach keeps his job with his playoff resume. Do it this year or, for god's sake, resign.

 

[ShortRound]

I wish we could, because I'm an agreeable guy. But I can't get my head around how you guys define taking over a team at 1-7, cutting Marion Barber, Roy Williams, Leonard Davis, Marc Colombo, and Andre Gurode, and still going 8-8 the next year as a failure in the first place. I don't get how 12-4 in 2014 is somehow a bad season, or how taking a rookie 3rd string QB to 13-3 and another NFCE title are things you guys hold against him as things he needs to be 'held accountable' for.

Whether you like it or not, his extension, and the recognition he got for the coach of the year award, the teams increased winning percentage....these are all him being held accountable. The problem is, it's evidence he's doing a good job, and not that he's failed just because you/others/whoever expected him to take a team with a franchise-worst defensive unit to the Superbowl because the team had Tony Romo on it.

And I don't 'grant him a pass.' He's made his share of mistakes. What I'm saying is his team is progressing, and it has progressed pretty much from the moment he got here. Why would we stop that process before it actually stalls, just to take a chance on another guy doing it better? The answer is, you wouldn't, unless you were pretty damn sure that other guy would progress farther or faster. And there aren't many guys you can really say that about on the open coaching market.

 

[Zman5]

Being an innovator in scheme doesn't mean much. Wade is about as good as it gets when it comes to X's and O's on defense and is a coach that over time will ruin your team because he doesn't create an environment that develops talent well. Ironically, Lombardi's namesake was about as boring of an X's and O's coach as there is. The same with Parcells.

I think what a lot of people miss out here is that a bad coach takes a long time to make up for and turn things around (in most cases) in football. It's such a team oriented game that unlike baseball or basketball or hockey, one guy isn't likely to turn everything around.

The good news is the way the NFL is set up, it's more likely to turn around from bad coaching compared to college (where bad coaching can forever disintegrate a program), high school or even Youth Football.

In Garrett's case, he had to turn over a team that had almost no quality talent that was solely developed by Wade (players that didn't come to the team pre-2007).

The only players developed from 2007-2009 that were quality performers that we drafted (or picked up as UDFA) by 2011 was Felix Jones, Doug Free, Orlando Scandrick and Anthony Spencer.

That's really it....

4 freaking guys in 3 years.

Don't get me wrong, Garrett played a part in us struggling for those years as well. But making Wade the HC of this team set the organization back for at least 3 years.




YR

Even though Ware, Ratliff and Hatcher wasn't drafted by Wade. Wade had plenty to do with their development. Ware and JRat had best seasons under Wade. OScan, Doug Free, Spencer also had productive though not spectacular careers.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I notice you left out the point I was debating with you, how convenient. Both Parcells and Jimmy may have chafed under Jerry but their success is undeniable, fair shot be damned.



And whether you would choose Garrett over Wade is opinion, what I was pointing out was not opinion, but fact. Wade won more than he lost and with a much shorter leash and over a much shorter period. Wade is a better coach than Garrett, period. As a coach whatever the level, Wade has not only been more innovative but he's accomplished more especially in postseason.

Wade may go down as one of the greatest coordinators in history, as an assistant coach Garrett was mediocre, just like he's been as HC, until the arrival of Linehan. Linehan is the one with the attack mindset, Garrett is so conservative it hurts.

Well I told you what the point was whether you chose debate it or not is up to you.

And Wade more than he lost? That's the bar? Just win more games then you lose.......even though in your last year you put out some of the worst football this city has seen in a LONG time......doesn't matter though Wade you won more then you lost........

In regards to what Wade has done.....I haven't debated any of that. I just don't think he's head coaching material. Sorry. Just don't.

John Harbaugh is well liked by Ravens fans. It seems as though Mike Tomlin is loved in Pittsburgh for
some unknown reason. There are others... Sean Payton, for example. But, yes, I get your point.
Nobody approaches Belicheck. He's untouchable and will coach for as long as he likes.

Mike Tomlin is not loved in Pittsburgh....not by the knee jerk reaction fans.....but I guess that's what i'm speaking more so to....the knee jerk reaction fans who take the sky is falling mentality after every loss.

Yes, Wade had enough talent but by the time Garrett took over the mental makeup of the team had been destroyed. They had to replace many players, some that were very talented, because the team under Wade had lost them from a mental makeup perspective (Ratliff, Bradie James, etc.. had all become to entitled...they ate the cheese.).

I agree....most importantly the culture had to be changed. And no one can tell me that Garrett didn't have anything to do with that. He hasn't won a Super Bowl. Fair enough. But this team is in a lot better shape now than it was when Wade left it. The Cowboys had to get rid of the players who were no longer playing for contracts and who were no longer "hungry" and had to change the make up of that team. People laugh at the "RKG" mantra but its the reason why we are somewhat in contention now.

 

[BAT]

Does nobody just want to believe those 8-8 defenses were as bad as they were? I mean, franchise worst. In the running for some of the worst in the league.

And we went 8-8 in three consecutive seasons with a very good QB, a rebuilding OL and still managed to compete for the division every season. These are reasons for coming up short. Not excuses. The fans acting like those 2011, 2012 teams ought to have been shoe-ins for the playoffs and further are the ones remembering things more rosily than they actually were, not the other way around.

And, as a sideline...there's no reason to be a 'homer' for a coach. Either the guy can coach or he can't. If he can coach, then there have to be other reasons why the team isn't getting it done. You're not being a homer fan who you say 'the problem is A, and not B.' It doesn't paint a rosier picture to say the HC or the QB is good, but the defense is bad. But it just doesn't make any sense to watch a secondary get splintered in successive playoff losses by a QB who has too much time to sit back there and pick it apart and keep concluding the problem is with the offensive play calling.

Garrett's defenses were bad but Franchise worst? You are just as guilty of hyperbole as you're accusing others.

The Franchise worst defenses were under Landry (first 3 seasons), Jimmy (first 2 seasons) and Campo (every season).

Garrett had Ware, Hatcher, Ratliff, Lee, Scandrick. All of them have been to a pro bowl under Garrett (except Scandrick who was considered the best player on team a season or two ago). Garrett also had Spencer, Sensabaugh, Church, Bradie James, Bruce Carter and Carr - solid players on D. Not to mention the highest rated corner since Deion!

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Well I told you what the point was whether you chose debate it or not is up to you.

And Wade more than he lost? That's the bar? Just win more games then you lose.......even though in your last year you put out some of the worst football this city has seen in a LONG time......doesn't matter though Wade you won more then you lost........

In regards to what Wade has done.....I haven't debated any of that. I just don't think he's head coaching material. Sorry. Just don't.



Mike Tomlin is not loved in Pittsburgh....not by the knee jerk reaction fans.....but I guess that's what i'm speaking more so to....the knee jerk reaction fans who take the sky is falling mentality after every loss.



I agree....most importantly the culture had to be changed. And no one can tell me that Garrett didn't have anything to do with that. He hasn't won a Super Bowl. Fair enough. But this team is in a lot better shape now than it was when Wade left it. The Cowboys had to get rid of the players who were no longer playing for contracts and who were no longer "hungry" and had to change the make up of that team. People laugh at the "RKG" mantra but its the reason why we are somewhat in contention now.

And we still have exactly one playoff win since Wade left. Same old thing. I wanted Wade gone more than anything. Garrett hasn't proven he's any better.

 

[BAT]

Well I told you what the point was whether you chose debate it or not is up to you.

And Wade more than he lost? That's the bar? Just win more games then you lose.......even though in your last year you put out some of the worst football this city has seen in a LONG time......doesn't matter though Wade you won more then you lost........

In regards to what Wade has done.....I haven't debated any of that. I just don't think he's head coaching material. Sorry. Just don't.



Mike Tomlin is not loved in Pittsburgh....not by the knee jerk reaction fans.....but I guess that's what i'm speaking more so to....the knee jerk reaction fans who take the sky is falling mentality after every loss.



I agree....most importantly the culture had to be changed. And no one can tell me that Garrett didn't have anything to do with that. He hasn't won a Super Bowl. Fair enough. But this team is in a lot better shape now than it was when Wade left it. The Cowboys had to get rid of the players who were no longer playing for contracts and who were no longer "hungry" and had to change the make up of that team. People laugh at the "RKG" mantra but its the reason why we are somewhat in contention now.

Wade had ONE losing season. Let me repeat that again, ONE LOSING SEASON. Campo was allowed THREE STRAIGHT LOSING SEASONS, Garrett had THREE STRAIGHT MEDIOCRE 8-8 SEASONS plus a disastrous 4-12 season after supposedly being SB contenders the year prior.

Did Wade get a fair shot? Wade's team did quit on him especially after Romo's injury but Garrett was a very big part of that quit too. Under Garrett, team says all the right things but quit in the postseason too. Dak, Zeke and OL give me hope but I've had hope before.

And RKG is a joke, players hit their moms, kill while driving drunk, pull out guns in public, burn down their own homes, yell at coaches on sidelines, fail drug tests ad nauseum, pull girls tops, get arrested, etc.

This happens all over the NFL but don't con me with RKG, just win rings and stop with the excuses.

 

[haleyrules]

And we still have exactly one playoff win since Wade left. Same old thing. I wanted Wade gone more than anything. Garrett hasn't proven he's any better.

Yeah. Wade was, at least, an NFL caliber top notch DC. Jason never coached anything to success.

 

[haleyrules]

Wade had ONE losing season. Let me repeat that again, ONE LOSING SEASON. Campo was allowed THREE STRAIGHT LOSING SEASONS, Garrett had THREE STRAIGHT MEDIOCRE 8-8 SEASONS plus a disastrous 4-12 season after supposedly being SB contenders the year prior.

Did Wade get a fair shot? Wade's team did quit on him especially after Romo's injury but Garrett was a very big part of that quit too. Under Garrett, team says all the right things but quit in the postseason too. Dak, Zeke and OL give me hope but I've had hope before.

And RKG is a joke, players hit their moms, kill while driving drunk, pull out guns in public, burn down their own homes, yell at coaches on sidelines, fail drug tests ad nauseum, pull girls tops, get arrested, etc.

This happens all over the NFL but don't con me with RKG, just win rings and stop with the excuses.

Amen. Well said.

 

[BHendri5]

“If I’m a Cowboys fan, I have real questions about Jason Garrett as the head coach," Lombardi said. "He’s supposed to be in the prime, he’s had six years to be a head coach. He was an offensive guru that never had a lot of roo in his goo. He was never really never this innovator offensive guy."

I'm a real cowboys fan have been for 51yrs and I do not have anyquestions about Garrett's coaching ability.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Yeah. Wade was, at least, an NFL caliber top notch DC. Jason never coached anything to success.

He was a career backup QB. I never understood why that gave him a right to be an NFL coach. He hadn't proven anything.

 

[xwalker]

Well I told you what the point was whether you chose debate it or not is up to you.

And Wade more than he lost? That's the bar? Just win more games then you lose.......even though in your last year you put out some of the worst football this city has seen in a LONG time......doesn't matter though Wade you won more then you lost........

In regards to what Wade has done.....I haven't debated any of that. I just don't think he's head coaching material. Sorry. Just don't.



Mike Tomlin is not loved in Pittsburgh....not by the knee jerk reaction fans.....but I guess that's what i'm speaking more so to....the knee jerk reaction fans who take the sky is falling mentality after every loss.



I agree....most importantly the culture had to be changed. And no one can tell me that Garrett didn't have anything to do with that. He hasn't won a Super Bowl. Fair enough. But this team is in a lot better shape now than it was when Wade left it. The Cowboys had to get rid of the players who were no longer playing for contracts and who were no longer "hungry" and had to change the make up of that team. People laugh at the "RKG" mantra but its the reason why we are somewhat in contention now.

Agree.


If a new HC did come here, they would inherit a good situation. It would be the opposite of what Garrett inherited.

 

[haleyrules]

He was a career backup QB. I never understood why that gave him a right to be an NFL coach. He hadn't proven anything.

Me too. It was/is baffling. 10 yrs of nothing...and he is still bluffing his way along. Unreal. Absolutely nothing after 10 long years. His tenure has been painfull and pointless.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Wade had ONE losing season. Let me repeat that again, ONE LOSING SEASON. Campo was allowed THREE STRAIGHT LOSING SEASONS, Garrett had THREE STRAIGHT MEDIOCRE 8-8 SEASONS plus a disastrous 4-12 season after supposedly being SB contenders the year prior.

Did Wade get a fair shot? Wade's team did quit on him especially after Romo's injury but Garrett was a very big part of that quit too. Under Garrett, team says all the right things but quit in the postseason too. Dak, Zeke and OL give me hope but I've had hope before.

And RKG is a joke, players hit their moms, kill while driving drunk, pull out guns in public, burn down their own homes, yell at coaches on sidelines, fail drug tests ad nauseum, pull girls tops, get arrested, etc.

This happens all over the NFL but don't con me with RKG, just win rings and stop with the excuses.

Wade got a fair shot.....he got fired a year later then he probably should've.

Wade's team quit on him after Romo's injury but when Romo got hurt for Garrett he had a "disatrous" 4-12 season.....funny you don't mention Romo went down in that season and 3 of those 4 wins came when Romo was healthy. Its clear you have a agenda....though this is the rare time i've seen that agenda be in favor for........Wade Phillips.

And we still have exactly one playoff win since Wade left. Same old thing. I wanted Wade gone more than anything. Garrett hasn't proven he's any better.

No he hasn't proven to be any better when it comes to wins in the post season.............but personnel-wise this team is better now than it was when Wade was here. Its more youthful as well. But if you want to argue that Garrett hasn't had any playoff success that can't be argued. Hopefullly that changes this year. If not, its probably time to move on.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Me too. It was/is baffling. 10 yrs of nothing...and he is still bluffing his way along. Unreal. Absolutely nothing after 10 long years. His tenure has been painfull and pointless.

Some are trying to compare him to Tom Landry but I just don't see it. If he goes on some Landry type winning streak I'll be glad to eat crow but I'm not counting on it. I just don't want to see Dak and Zeke waste their careers here. You don't have many years or chances to win the SB. Take advantage when you can. The future is now.