Twitter: Mike Peirera believes Cruz TD catch was incomplete

[links18]

Straight from the NFL rulebook:

Replay Official’s Request for Review. After the two-minute warning of each half, throughout any overtime period, and after all scoring plays, any Referee Review will be initiated by a Replay Official. There is no limit to the number of Referee Reviews that may be initiated by the Replay Official. He must initiate a review before the next legal snap or kick and cannot initiate a review of any ruling against a team that commits a foul to prevent the next snap. His ability to initiate a review will be unrelated to the number of time outs that either team has remaining, and no time out will be charged for any review initiated by the Replay Official.

Interestingly it doesn't say that a coach can't challenge a scoring play in the abscence of of a review requested by the booth. Or is that another section?

 

[JD_KaPow]

Went back & rewatched the catch. Looked to me that he caught it, foot down & elbow down, ball still in hand. When the ball hits the turf, it comes out. He recovers it.

Good summary, and exactly why it was incomplete.

 

[Muhast]

Good summary, and exactly why it was incomplete.

http://www.giants.com/videos/videos...TD-catch/521d37d7-c433-4436-912d-06baea60af1d

That is the video link for anyone who cares to watch. The 2nd and 3rd replay make it pretty apparent that he loses the ball as he hits the ground. Its very similar to the Calvin Johnson TD that was overturned and ruled incomplete earlier in the day.

 

[whynot]

I still don't understand why a coach can't challenge this. If the team has to simply accept the assistants snap judgement on whether the play is reviewable, then it's no different to having to accept a refs snap decision in the field of play. If the ref is wrong you can challenge, but if the assistant is wrong you can't?

Seems to go against the spirit of the challenge system entirely.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I would be in therapy right now if this ended up costing Dallas the game.....

 

[links18]

Just watched it again. That 's an incomplete pass all day...........

 

[links18]

I still don't understand why a coach can't challenge this. If the team has to simply accept the assistants snap judgement on whether the play is reviewable, then it's no different to having to accept a refs snap decision in the field of play. If the ref is wrong you can challenge, but if the assistant is wrong you can't?

Seems to go against the spirit of the challenge system entirely.

Do we know for a fact that a coach can't actually challenge it?

 

[whynot]

Do we know for a fact that a coach can't actually challenge it?

From the new rules 2013:
"If a coach challenges a scoring play, a turnover, a play that began inside the two-minute warning of either half or during an overtime period, that team will be automatically charged a timeout. If the team has no timeouts remaining, it will be automatically assessed a 15-yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct."

They did change the bit where if a coach does throw a flag on a scoring play then the play cannot be reviewed (as happened to the lions last year http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...hwartz-regrets-challenge-of-houston-texans-td )

 

[links18]

From the new rules 2013:
"If a coach challenges a scoring play, a turnover, a play that began inside the two-minute warning of either half or during an overtime period, that team will be automatically charged a timeout. If the team has no timeouts remaining, it will be automatically assessed a 15-yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct."

They did change the bit where if a coach does throw a flag on a scoring play then the play cannot be reviewed (as happened to the lions last year http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...hwartz-regrets-challenge-of-houston-texans-td )

What a dumb rule.

 

[Zekeats]

I was screaming about that one when it happened. Couldn't believe it didn't get a more thorough review.

I said the same thing........it looked worse than Calvin Johnsons so it couldn't have been a td

 

[Ken]

I think this SHOULD have been a TD, just like Megatron's earlier that day....but by rule, it is not. Dumb rule. Dumber the fact that they review the scoring play and still don't get it right.

 

[AdamJT13]

From Rule 15, Section 9, Article 1, Note 1 -- "A team may challenge any reviewable play (see Article 4 below) except when the on-field ruling is a score for either team, an interception, a fumble or backward pass that is recovered by an opponent or goes out of bounds through an opponent’s end zone, or a muffed scrimmage kick recovered by the kicking team. A team is also prohibited from challenging any ruling after the two-minute warning of each half, and throughout any overtime period."

 

[SportsGuru80]

The play would have still resulted in a 1st down & goal at the1. ( or less ) Chances are, they were punching it in anyway.

What?????

 

[Bizwah]

What?????

I think some folks are confusing what happened with a fumble.

They don't realize it was an incomplete pass.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I think some folks are confusing what happened with a fumble.

They don't realize it was an incomplete pass.

Exactly SMH

 

[Ren]

meh, it only matters for the stat freaks and FF players, we still won

 

[Nightman]

I don't think the call was incorrect. Cruz wasn't going to the ground in the process of making the catch. He came down with the ball and Allen then started to tackle him and that is what forced him to the ground. Before he hit the turf, he stretched the ball over the line for the TD. It's a stupid rule and open to too much interpretation, but I think it was the correct call.

The error was not reviewing the play. They are supposed to review every scoring play and the ball popping loose is more than enough to warrant a closer look.

 

[Primetime42]

Meh. No harm, no foul.

 

[DogFace]

So the refs are out to get us? LOL Dallas had 5 penalties Giants 6 sorry but this notion that the refs are somehow out to get the Cowboys or they give a damn about who wins or loses is BS. I'm sure we have hyper paranoid fans they come here every week claiming how they are out to get us.

Great. That's your opinion lol lol. That's neat. I stated my opinion and i think im correct. Stating that they had one more penalty doesn't in in way show that they were called equally. If one team commits or gets away with some like they did and I mentioned some then they aren't equal. Lol. I'm positive we have some fans who don't really know how to observe what happened during a game.

 

[DogFace]

So the refs are out to get us? LOL Dallas had 5 penalties Giants 6 sorry but this notion that the refs are somehow out to get the Cowboys or they give a damn about who wins or loses is BS. I'm sure we have hyper paranoid fans they come here every week claiming how they are out to get us.

Also, how many touchdowns,(that's 6 points) were called incorrectly for the Giants?