MJ vs Elvis Who will be remember as the biggest icon?

[Bob Sacamano]

He doesn't have to turn off the radio, if he is not actively listening he's not going to remember any of the names. I listen to the radio most days and they play tons of music by artists that are currently very popular, but i would be hard pressed to tell you the name of their songs if it's not the type of music that i'm into.

well, he or she is sitting through the song that they know who sang it, just not the name of the song

I would say that's active listening

now if they said they turned it off or switched the station the moment it came on...

it may not be their cup of tea, but after listening to a song, or right before a song, the radio station tells the name of the song, I find it hard to believe that he switched it to another radio station before then, every, single time

 

[Maikeru-sama]

so you switched off the radio right after a Beatles song came on, every time?

radio stations don't play songs and not tell who played them, and what song it was

What ethio said..

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Or maybe the radio station he listened too didn't play the Beatles or Elvis.

he said he recognized the song, and could tell who it's by
so he had to had listened to it

 

[Maikeru-sama]

he said he recognized the song
so he had to had listened to it

Yeah, I misread.

My apologies .

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

A bit of an exaggeration. Of that list, I'd stick to Rock, Pop, alternative, and Punk.

Elvis was influenced by blues, soul, and gospel....all which existed before he became king. Hip-hop and rap are heavily influenced by r&b and has roots in the jazz and blues genre.

You tell me, how many Blues, Soul, Gospel, Jazz or RB artists enjoyed widespread success before Elvis? He brought all of those goneras of music and all that steemed from them, in turn, into main stream America. Without him, there is no acceptance of those kinds of music and no big dollars. Now, you can make the argument that it would have happened eventually and that may be true but there had to be that somebody who broke barriers and that was Elvis. That's why he is the King. That's why he is the greatest of them IMO.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

btw, the Elvis song, "a little less talk, a little more action" made the rounds in a commercial a couple of years back

I can't believe you all missed that, it had the name of the song and Elvis' likeness in it, so...

 

[ethiostar]

Hostile, why you can't you understand, we have heard of Elvis and I said I heard of the Beatles, but if someone played a Beatles song on the radio I would not be able to give you a NAME of the song.

It is like name that tune and I wouldn't be able to name the tune, I would know it was the Beatles but I couldn't give you anymore then that.

Why is that so hard to understand??

so you switched off the radio right after a Beatles song came on, every time?

radio stations don't play songs and not tell who played them, and what song it was

[ethiostar] He doesn't have to turn off the radio, if he is not actively listening he's not going to remember any of the names. I listen to the radio most days and they play tons of music by artists that are currently very popular, but i would be hard pressed to tell you the name of their songs if it's not the type of music that i'm into.

well, he or she is sitting through the song that they know who sang it, just not the name of the song

I would say that's active listening

now if they said they turned it off or switched the station the moment it came on...

it may not be their cup of tea, but after listening to a song, or right before a song, the radio station tells the name of the song, I find it hard to believe that he switched it to another radio station before then, every, single time

I don't know if i missing something here.

To me, working in the office or around the house while having the radio playing in the background is not active listening. Unless when the DJ announces the name of the song, i actively focus myself to listen to it and register it in my mind.

Again, i listen to tons of music on the radio on a daily basis and the DJs do announce the name of the artist and song title. I still can't tell you the names of 99.9% of the music that i hear on a daily basis.

Now if i hear something and it catches my attention, then i will make sure to tune in when they announce the artist and the name of the song so i can buy the CD.

 

[WoodysGirl]

You tell me, how many Blues, Soul, Gospel, Jazz or RB artists enjoyed widespread success before Elvis? He brought all of those goneras of music and all that steemed from them, in turn, into main stream America. Without him, there is no acceptance of those kinds of music and no big dollars. Now, you can make the argument that it would have happened eventually and that may be true but there had to be that somebody who broke barriers and that was Elvis. That's why he is the King. That's why he is the greatest of them IMO.

As I stated in the thread before, all those genres existed BEFORE Elvis. He didn't create them.

Elvis was a very talented individual, but he leveraged those genres and brought it to pop culture. His biggest impact, IMO, is that he did bring certain aspects of those genres to the mainstream.



And really, no way you can say hip-hop or rap was influenced by Elvis. No way, shape, form, or fashion, is that true. The origins of rap weren't based on rock and roll...

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You tell me, how many Blues, Soul, Gospel, Jazz or RB artists enjoyed widespread success before Elvis? He brought all of those goneras of music and all that steemed from them, in turn, into main stream America. Without him, there is no acceptance of those kinds of music and no big dollars. Now, you can make the argument that it would have happened eventually and that may be true but there had to be that somebody who broke barriers and that was Elvis. That's why he is the King. That's why he is the greatest of them IMO.

What?

You do realize when Elvis was coming up, America was extremely segregated, especially in the south.

Alot of the Black artists were still limited to all black audiences (The Chitlin Circuit etc etc), so of course they didn't have the exposure that Elvis did. Doesn't mean they weren't talented, but the opportunities were very limited back in those days.

 

[ethiostar]

What?

You do realize when Elvis was coming up, America was extremely segregated, especially in the south.

Alot of the Black artists were still limited to all black audiences (The Chitlin Circuit etc etc), so of course they didn't have the exposure that Elvis did. Doesn't mean they weren't talented, but the opportunities were very limited back in those days.

I think that is his point mike. Elvis facilitated the exposure of black artists to wider audiences.

 

[tomson75]

What?

You do realize when Elvis was coming up, America was extremely segregated, especially in the south.

Alot of the Black artists were still limited to all black audiences (The Chitlin Circuit etc etc), so of course they didn't have the exposure that Elvis did. Doesn't mean they weren't talented, but the opportunities were very limited back in those days.

BS. White youth flocked to that stuff. Why do you think "white america" felt so threatened by it? It was consuming their children....just like Elvis.

 

[tomson75]

I think that is his point mike. Elvis facilitated the exposure of black artists to wider audiences.

This too.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I think that is his point mike. Elvis facilitated the exposure of black artists to wider audiences.

There could be some truth to that, but there was also changing attitudes and the Civil Rights Movement as well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't know if i missing something here.

To me, working in the office or around the house while having the radio playing in the background is not active listening. Unless when the DJ announces the name of the song, i actively focus myself to listen to it and register it in my mind.

Again, i listen to tons of music on the radio on a daily basis and the DJs do announce the name of the artist and song title. I still can't tell you the names of 99.9% of the music that i hear on a daily basis.

Now if i hear something and it catches my attention, then i will make sure to tune in when they announce the artist and the name of the song so i can buy the CD.

your argument would make sense if the poster hadn't said that he could place the song to a person

 

[ethiostar]

There could be some truth to that, but there was also changing attitudes and the Civil Rights Movement as well.

Absolutely.

Btw, Michael Jackson did the same thing but in reverse direction. He was the most successful black artist in breaking the color barrier, MTV, radio stations, etc....

And before people start freaking out, i'm not arguing one is better than the other. Just stating some facts.

 

[tomson75]

There could be some truth to that, but there was also changing attitudes and the Civil Rights Movement as well.

"1968"

The year that changed the world in more ways than you can imagine. Check out Time magazines' 40th anniversary issue. Outstanding read.

 

[ethiostar]

your argument would make sense if the poster hadn't said that he could place the song to a person

I know who Brittany Spears is and her sound is distinctive enough for me to know when her song is on the radio. Doesn't mean i can tell you the name of her songs, except maybe the one she broke out with. Never mind i actually can't think of it now.

 

[bbgun]

Elvis certainly borrowed from black entertainers and was inspired by them to a certain degree, but I don't think he transcended race or racial lines quite like MJ did. Did black people buy his records, attend his concerts, or go on Graceland tours in great numbers? I have my doubts.

 

[ZB9]

Elvis came before Michael Jackson, so he was more influential imo, but I dont know why it has to be either/or

both were two of the most successful and influential artists of all time. Both are on the Mount Rushmore of entertainers, along with the Beatles. I think those are the only 3 on that Mount Rushmore

 

[ethiostar]

Elvis certainly borrowed from black entertainers and was inspired by them to a certain degree, but I don't think he transcended race or racial lines quite like MJ did. Did black people buy his records, attend his concerts, or go on Graceland tours in great numbers? I have my doubts.

Some did but i highly doubt to the same extent as white kids flocked to MJ's music.