Mo Claiborne

[CVN68_Cowboys]

Don't follow college, but now that you and our resident troll (@Gabe) have regressed to calling out colleges as some "smart" way to debate a player, rather than just accepting that I like Clai, it puts you, as a poster, in better perspective.

Use all your "lol Lsu bs" you want, you are too jaded in your view of Clai to properly assess him.

You hate him. You want him off the team. Even if it hurts the team.

Are you some LSU hater, did we skip over your pet cat in order to draft Clai? I can play your game, too.

"No he sucks derp derp" shaddup

I don't hate anyone or anything here, including Claiborne. And I don't see him being gone hurting anyone but him and his fans one bit, actually. I'll miss him as much as I did Roy Williams, meaning not at all. Additionally, I know and remember what I have seen from both Claiborne and players that come from his school (and the SEC in general) over a couple of decades now. They're generally not worth the investment (especially LSU), which is why I'm glad they got Collins for nothing. I could care less about LSU overall, only how it pertains to the Cowboys. How long have you been watching the NFL, anyway? You can "like" whoever you choose, but then you're having an emotional debate and not one based on logic, and I'm not interested in having one of those about a football player.

 

[Trouty]

So @CVN68_Cowboys, when we dump Mo, what do we do? Address CB1 in the first round? Free agency? We have Martin to sign as well as DE and LB to address. Now that we're dumping a cheap (relative to his peers) CB1, what's your master plan? A CB1 in free agency will cost upwards of 14-15 mil aav.

Do telleth.

 

[Trouty]

I don't hate anyone or anything here, including Claiborne. And I don't see him being gone hurting anyone but him and his fans one bit, actually. I'll miss him as much as I did Roy Williams, meaning not at all. Additionally, I know and remember what I have seen from both Claiborne and players that come from his school (and the SEC in general) over a couple of decades now. They're generally not worth the investment (especially LSU), which is why I'm glad they got Collins for nothing. I could care less about LSU overall, only how it pertains to the Cowboys. How long have you been watching the NFL, anyway? You can "like" whoever you choose, but then you're having an emotional debate and not one based on logic, and I'm not interested in having one of those about a football player.

You regressed to name calling, so answer my questions, dunce.

Been watching since 96. What does that do for you?

And I "like" Clai because he is performing, finally. What's so hard to understand in that dense, obtuse brain of yours?

 

[zrinkill]

If you're going to quote, use

No

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

So @CVN68_Cowboys, when we dump Mo, what do we do? Address CB1 in the first round? Free agency? We have Martin to sign as well as DE and LB to address. Now that we're dumping a cheap (relative to his peers) CB1, what's your master plan? A CB1 in free agency will cost upwards of 14-15 mil aav.

Do telleth.

I'm not a real big fan of big FA acquisitions at any position, but CB especially. Didn't like what we gave Carr, but we had to do something at the time. I would not want to do that again. I'd be fine with counting on Scandrick rolling down and Brown taking his place with some high-ish draft pick(s) this coming draft and next.

"You regressed to name calling, so answer my questions, dunce."

I did no such thing. I think it might have just hit a nerve with some. When one is new to the board, even if you've been perusing online sports boards for 20 years like I have, it's good to know who you can have a reasonable discussion with and who you can't. Have a good one.

 

[Trouty]

I'm not a real big fan of big FA acquisitions at any position, but CB especially. Didn't like what we gave Carr, but we had to do something at the time. I would not want to do that again. I'd be fine with counting on Scandrick rolling down and Brown taking his place with some high-ish draft pick(s) this coming draft and next.

"You regressed to name calling, so answer my questions, dunce."

I did no such thing. I think it might have just hit a nerve with some. When one is new to the board, even if you've been perusing online sports boards for 20 years like I have, it's good to know who you can have a reasonable discussion with and who you can't. Have a good one.

You alluded to me being a 12 year old with a ******* binky in my mouth (LOL). That isn't name calling?

If you know anything about sports, Mr. Great Sport Mind (/s), you would know that the only time to attack free agency is when you're a bubble contender. Which we will be after next year's draft. We must attack free agency, but for DE, LB and SS (depending on how we draft; we must also draft heavy defense).

If we dump Mo, we then have more holes to fill and almost elimante ourselves as a bubble contender (true contender) by having too many pieces to fill. Thus, eliminating the need for free agency. You following?

Leaving this argument is taking the easy way out. But so long, bub.

ETA -- I've been on sports boards since the inside the NFL HBO board days, as a young teen, also LA Times message board (Angels) both around 98 on a WebTV. So that puts me only about two years behind you. Since we're measuring ***** here

 

[Trouty]

@CVN68_Cowboys, if you want to do this like an adult, without ad hominem attacks, then fine. But I'm not above resorting to that level of interaction.

 

[mattjames2010]

I'm not a real big fan of big FA acquisitions at any position, but CB especially. Didn't like what we gave Carr, but we had to do something at the time. I would not want to do that again. I'd be fine with counting on Scandrick rolling down and Brown taking his place with some high-ish draft pick(s) this coming draft and next.

"You regressed to name calling, so answer my questions, dunce."

I did no such thing. I think it might have just hit a nerve with some. When one is new to the board, even if you've been perusing online sports boards for 20 years like I have, it's good to know who you can have a reasonable discussion with and who you can't. Have a good one.

I'm glad you're not running our team. Wow.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

I'm glad you're not running our team. Wow.

If you're down with keeping MC multi year, I'm glad you aren't, either.

 

[Trouty]

If you're down with keeping MC multi year, I'm glad you aren't, either.

So how do we address CB1?

 

[zrinkill]

If you're down with keeping MC multi year, I'm glad you aren't, either.

what do you think about Wentz?

 

[mattjames2010]

If you're down with keeping MC multi year, I'm glad you aren't, either.

You understand that's what we will be doing most likely if he continues to play at a high level? I have already pointed this out in another thread, the FA market has about 4 good FA CBs hitting the market. Each of them will be looking for the contract Claiborne will get, and a few of them are below Claiborne's level of play right now. Trumaine Johnson with the Rams is the only on Claiborne's level.

Also, you are wanting a banged up, 30 year old Scandrick to move to the outside (He has only been decent there) and a late draft pick Brown who looks to be more of a nickel corner to take over for a CB that is becoming a shutdown corner?

Here's what I would hope we do

- Resign Claiborne to a 7-8 million a year contract, from a market standpoint, that would be perfect
- I would throw a small contract at Carr and see if he bites, if not, Sign one of the top 4 CBs in FA if you can
- If Scandrick is banged up all year, I would hope to release him. 2 years into his new contract, and he has hardly played. Free up some money
- Draft a CB somewhere in the draft to compete with Brown since we should not be sold on him yet. I'd also like to get a cheap veteran behind our starters instead of relying on undrafted FAs or late round picks like we do every year

Now, think about it, your plan sounds kinda crappy when reading mine does it not?

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

what do you think about Wentz?

I think he'll end up being a solid (not necessarily elite) NFL starting QB in the next couple of years. Who's taking him over Prescott if a do-over was today? Not this guy. As it applies to MC, I think Wentz will blow him away when it comes to comparative career contribution compared to draft slot.

 

[zrinkill]

Hmmmmmm

 

[Trouty]

You understand that's what we will be doing most likely if he continues to play at a high level? I have already pointed this out in another thread, the FA market has about 4 good FA CBs hitting the market. Each of them will be looking for the contract Claiborne will get, and a few of them are below Claiborne's level of play right now. Trumaine Johnson with the Rams is the only on Claiborne's level.

Also, you are wanting a banged up, 30 year old Scandrick to move to the outside (He has only been decent there) and a late draft pick Brown who looks to be more of a nickel corner to take over for a CB that is becoming a shutdown corner?

Here's what I would hope we do

- Resign Claiborne to a 7-8 million a year contract, from a market standpoint, that would be perfect
- I would throw a small contract at Carr and see if he bites, if not, Sign one of the top 4 CBs in FA if you can
- If Scandrick is banged up all year, I would hope to release him. 2 years into his new contract, and he has hardly played. Free up some money
- Draft a CB somewhere in the draft to compete with Brown since we should not be sold on him yet. I'd also like to get a cheap veteran behind our starters instead of relying on undrafted FAs or late round picks like we do every year

Now, think about it, your plan sounds kinda crappy when reading mine does it not?

Oh, Matt, school him brudda. Tho his "20 years of message boards" might have him, yet again, resorting to another ad hominem attack at you for presenting facts. He doesn't like facts.

He likes Brown as a CB1 in his sophomore year, lol.

 

[Trouty]

I think he'll end up being a solid (not necessarily elite) NFL starting QB in the next couple of years. Who's taking him over Prescott if a do-over was today? Not this guy. As it applies to MC, I think Wentz will blow him away when it comes to comparative career contribution compared to draft slot.

You're comparing Wentz to a "first round bust" in Clai? Boy, you really hate Clai.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

You understand that's what we will be doing most likely if he continues to play at a high level? I have already pointed this out in another thread, the FA market has about 4 good FA CBs hitting the market. Each of them will be looking for the contract Claiborne will get, and a few of them are below Claiborne's level of play right now. Trumaine Johnson with the Rams is the only on Claiborne's level.

Also, you are wanting a banged up, 30 year old Scandrick to move to the outside (He has only been decent there) and a late draft pick Brown who looks to be more of a nickel corner to take over for a CB that is becoming a shutdown corner?

Here's what I would hope we do

- Resign Claiborne to a 7-8 million a year contract, from a market standpoint, that would be perfect
- I would throw a small contract at Carr and see if he bites, if not, Sign one of the top 4 CBs in FA if you can
- If Scandrick is banged up all year, I would hope to release him. 2 years into his new contract, and he has hardly played. Free up some money
- Draft a CB somewhere in the draft to compete with Brown since we should not be sold on him yet. I'd also like to get a cheap veteran behind our starters instead of relying on undrafted FAs or late round picks like we do every year

Now, think about it, your plan sounds kinda crappy when reading mine does it not?

As I stated above, I don't think you have to go big on the FA market at all. If anything, get a solid backup DB there if using Scandrick / Brown doesn't pan out or there are injuries. And yes, I have infinitely more confidence in Scandrick than Claiborne. As far as Claiborne's "level" he is the average of everything we've seen up to this point in his career, not just the last 6 games. That means, average to below average and injury prone (and a bit soft mentally). I really do like Brown going forward unless he melts down or something, but he's been solid (better than MC his rookie year).

-I'm out on giving MC anything other than the tag, and that's only because the cost only hurts you one year. It really isn't my favorite option or anything. I'd say let him walk and occupy somebody else's training table the rest of his career at the inflated salary he'll demand.
-I might see if I could give Carr a small extension / use tag, but there are many other players on D to consider, too
-I wouldn't. He's simply more dependable than MC
-Agree on drafting a CB, even fairly high. Brown has had as many really good games in his career now as MC has.

As to your last question, not at all. I fully believe people are being prisoners of the moment with this guy and not taking the whole body of work. Never, ever trust a guy that's been a total bust for three years and only good in his contract year. Ever.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

Hmmmmmm

Good talk.

 

[Trouty]

@CVN68_Cowboys you're new here (nothing wrong with that), but you'll quickly find that most of us defend Mo, now, due to the fact that he had "bust" written all over him and has completely turned it around. If you want to debate him, fine, but don't run off when we come back at you.

And never resort to ad hominem attacks, as most of us here are better at it than you.

With that said, welcome to the board. Go Cowboys.

 

[Trouty]

As I stated above, I don't think you have to go big on the FA market at all. If anything, get a solid backup DB there if using Scandrick / Brown doesn't pan out or there are injuries. And yes, I have infinitely more confidence in Scandrick than Claiborne. As far as Claiborne's "level" he is the average of everything we've seen up to this point in his career, not just the last 6 games. That means, average to below average and injury prone (and a bit soft mentally). I really do like Brown going forward unless he melts down or something, but he's been solid (better than MC his rookie year).

-I'm out on giving MC anything other than the tag, and that's only because the cost only hurts you one year. It really isn't my favorite option or anything. I'd say let him walk and occupy somebody else's training table the rest of his career at the inflated salary he'll demand.
-I might see if I could give Carr a small extension / use tag, but there are many other players on D to consider, too
-I wouldn't. He's simply more dependable than MC
-Agree on drafting a CB, even fairly high. Brown has had as many really good games in his career now as MC has.

As to your last question, not at all. I fully believe people are being prisoners of the moment with this guy and not taking the whole body of work. Never, ever trust a guy that's been a total bust for three years and only good in his contract year. Ever.

Last year was a contract year, too. We would be doomed rolling OScan and Brown as CB1/2.

And did I read that right, you would possibly franchise tag Carr? Seriously? Like seriously? 13.95mil for Carr?

And you would dump Clai, then go CB in the first and continue to ignore our black hole at DE?