Mo Claiborne

[mattjames2010]

As I stated above, I don't think you have to go big on the FA market at all. If anything, get a solid backup DB there if using Scandrick / Brown doesn't pan out or there are injuries. And yes, I have infinitely more confidence in Scandrick than Claiborne. As far as Claiborne's "level" he is the average of everything we've seen up to this point in his career, not just the last 6 games. That means, average to below average and injury prone (and a bit soft mentally). I really do like Brown going forward unless he melts down or something, but he's been solid (better than MC his rookie year).

-I'm out on giving MC anything other than the tag, and that's only because the cost only hurts you one year. It really isn't my favorite option or anything. I'd say let him walk and occupy somebody else's training table the rest of his career at the inflated salary he'll demand.
-I might see if I could give Carr a small extension / use tag, but there are many other players on D to consider, too
-I wouldn't. He's simply more dependable than MC
-Agree on drafting a CB, even fairly high. Brown has had as many really good games in his career now as MC has.

As to your last question, not at all. I fully believe people are being prisoners of the moment with this guy and not taking the whole body of work. Never, ever trust a guy that's been a total bust for three years and only good in his contract year. Ever.

So you're not confident in the CB who has been playing at a high level since early 2015, but you're confidence in Scandrick who has been banged up ever since he got his contract? I'm smelling bias here.

Also, Brown is playing as a nickel corner mostly. Comparing him with Mo, who was taking on some big time receivers his rookie year, is laughable.

- A tag would cost 12 million, that will be about 5 million more than what Mo will most likely get if we sign him long term. With a long term contract, you can write in things that are positive for us if he is injured. With a franchise tag, you're taking a big hit in one of the years in a long time we will have some good money under the cap. The tag is not an option here.

- Again, please stop with the tag talk. It's expensive for DBs, unless you have a Revis in his prime, tagging is not an option

- How is he more dependable? We haven't seen the guy play more than a few snaps in nearly 2 years! Not just that, he's hitting 30

- No, he hasn't. That's an outright lie.

 

[Trouty]

So you're not confident in the CB who has been playing at a high level since early 2015, but you're confidence in Scandrick who has been banged up ever since he got his contract? I'm smelling bias here.

Also, Brown is playing as a nickel corner mostly. Comparing him with Mo, who was taking on some big time receivers his rookie year, is laughable.

- A tag would cost 12 million, that will be about 5 million more than what Mo will most likely get if we sign him long term. With a long term contract, you can write in things that are positive for us if he is injured. With a franchise tag, you're taking a big hit in one of the years in a long time we will have some good money under the cap. The tag is not an option here.

- Again, please stop with the tag talk. It's expensive for DBs, unless you have a Revis in his prime, tagging is not an option

- How is he more dependable? We haven't seen the guy play more than a few snaps in nearly 2 years! Not just that, he's hitting 30

- No, he hasn't. That's an outright lie.

Matt! Bring it brudda. I can't, because apparently, he is ignoring me now

 

[mattjames2010]

Matt! Bring it brudda. I can't, because apparently, he is ignoring me now

Yeah, I'm just trying to get people to realize there isn't always better players on the market. If this was a strong FA class for DBs, I certainly would understand looking at other options. Just not many CBs better than Mo on the market. Though, I would love to see a Claiborne and Johnson pairing.

I've always advocated, if you have a player you groomed playing a high level, do what you can to retain them. That goes for some of the guys who have a lesser role on this team as well. I even hated letting Bruce Carter go.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

So you're not confident in the CB who has been playing at a high level since early 2015, but you're confidence in Scandrick who has been banged up ever since he got his contract? I'm smelling bias here.

Also, Brown is playing as a nickel corner mostly. Comparing him with Mo, who was taking on some big time receivers his rookie year, is laughable.

- A tag would cost 12 million, that will be about 5 million more than what Mo will most likely get if we sign him long term. With a long term contract, you can write in things that are positive for us if he is injured. With a franchise tag, you're taking a big hit in one of the years in a long time we will have some good money under the cap. The tag is not an option here.

- Again, please stop with the tag talk. It's expensive for DBs, unless you have a Revis in his prime, tagging is not an option

- How is he more dependable? We haven't seen the guy play more than a few snaps in nearly 2 years! Not just that, he's hitting 30

- No, he hasn't. That's an outright lie.

Claiborne hasn't stood out as anything other than average at best until this season. At all. A liability, yes. Nobody has ever said until very recently that "hey, MC is playing great!". Scandrick has been getting that for years, and rightly so.

I realize that Brown has played mostly nickel, which is why I'd be fine with him replacing OS there when he replaces the spare.

-I'm fine with the tag for one year. I don't trust that he'll sign some bargain basement deal like that at all. He'll want more than the tag will cost in g'teed $ to sign a 3-4 year deal.

-Ok, I'm also fine with letting him walk away for good. The tag is simply the only smart + realistic option for keeping him. No long term deal. No interest in year 6, 7, and 8 of that guy.

-I don't know, because people haven't been saying "you know, Scandrick just sucks" for the last three years. With Claiborne, everybody but his mother has been saying that.

-No, it isn't. It's an accurate, unbiased observation. I have no dog in this fight other than an administrative one. I heard not a single, "you know, this guy is just impressive so far" about Claiborne his rookie year, and there was good reason for that. Not until year 4, really. That says a ton about a guy that was a top 10 pick. Cut bait and stop being a reactionary, prisoner of the moment.

 

[mattjames2010]

Claiborne hasn't stood out as anything other than average at best until this season. At all. A liability, yes. Nobody has ever said until very recently that "hey, MC is playing great!". Scandrick has been getting that for years, and rightly so.

I realize that Brown has played mostly nickel, which is why I'd be fine with him replacing OS there when he replaces the spare.

-I'm fine with the tag for one year. I don't trust that he'll sign some bargain basement deal like that at all. He'll want more than the tag will cost in g'teed $ to sign a 3-4 year deal.

-Ok, I'm also fine with letting him walk away for good. The tag is simply the only smart + realistic option for keeping him. No long term deal. No interest in year 6, 7, and 8 of that guy.

-I don't know, because people haven't been saying "you know, Scandrick just sucks" for the last three years. With Claiborne, everybody but his mother has been saying that.

-No, it isn't. It's an accurate, unbiased observation. I have no dog in this fight other than an administrative one. I heard not a single, "you know, this guy is just impressive so far" about Claiborne his rookie year, and there was good reason for that. Not until year 4, really. That says a ton about a guy that was a top 10 pick. Cut bait and stop being a reactionary, prisoner of the moment.

They were saying Claiborne was playing great since last season, heck, even Cris Collinsworth was saying it during the Saints game last year and brought up how the coaches were calling his play outstanding. Saying Brown has had as many good games as him is just flat out wrong.

Brown needs competition if he's going to take over Oscan's position, needs a veteran. You wanting Oscan moved to the outside when he can't even stay healthy and has never been more than decent on the outside is crazy talk. You're ready to shred this secondary just so your narrative can be fulfilled.

- 7-8 million is bargain basement, many good CBs have signed to that amount. He's not getting Jenkins like money, that was simply bad negotiating by the Giants.

- No, it's not. The smart and realistic option is getting him on a 2-3 year contract, most likely front loaded with an option to cut him with little cap hit in his third year. At most, I'd say Carr would get 3-5 million a year at this point

- People started talking about Scandrick in 2014 as being a solid nickel corner. He was and never will be great. Using your earlier criticism, his best play came in a contract year. And again, your criticism of Mo, Scandrick can't seem to stay healthy and he'll soon be 30.

- Claiborne's rookie season was just fine, he had one bad game against the Eagles and gave up a big TD to Devin Hester against the Bears. Other than that, he was a solid rookie CB, playing the outside. Brown doesn't compare. Sure, a good late round CB, but you being sold on him already stinks of a bias from far away.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

They were saying Claiborne was playing great since last season, heck, even Cris Collinsworth was saying it during the Saints game last year and brought up how the coaches were calling his play outstanding. Saying Brown has had as many good games as him is just flat out wrong.

Brown needs competition if he's going to take over Oscan's position, needs a veteran. You wanting Oscan moved to the outside when he can't even stay healthy and has never been more than decent on the outside is crazy talk. You're ready to shred this secondary just so your narrative can be fulfilled.

- 7-8 million is bargain basement, many good CBs have signed to that amount. He's not getting Jenkins like money, that was simply bad negotiating by the Giants.

- No, it's not. The smart and realistic option is getting him on a 2-3 year contract, most likely front loaded with an option to cut him with little cap hit in his third year. At most, I'd say Carr would get 3-5 million a year at this point

- People started talking about Scandrick in 2014 as being a solid nickel corner. He was and never will be great. Using your earlier criticism, his best play came in a contract year. And again, your criticism of Mo, Scandrick can't seem to stay healthy and he'll soon be 30.

- Claiborne's rookie season was just fine, he had one bad game against the Eagles and gave up a big TD to Devin Hester against the Bears. Other than that, he was a solid rookie CB, playing the outside. Brown doesn't compare. Sure, a good late round CB, but you being sold on him already stinks of a bias from far away.

Only one of these guys was a top 10 pick. Let me ask in order to determine your sports citizenship, are you from the Dallas area?

 

[Scandri100]

Claiborne will get cut I don't get care what anyone says he's not a good corner.

 

[mattjames2010]

Only one of these guys was a top 10 pick. Let me ask in order to determine your sports citizenship, are you from the Dallas area?

Irrelevant.

 

[Trouty]

Claiborne will get cut I don't get care what anyone says he's not a good corner.

You're a troll. He's on a one year deal. How will he "be cut," dolt?

You won't respond to me. Just wanted to point out the troll. Point and look, everyone.

 

[Trouty]

Only one of these guys was a top 10 pick. Let me ask in order to determine your sports citizenship, are you from the Dallas area?

What in the blue **** does that have to do with anything? Oh, let me guess... that's part of your qualifier for being a "true fan" -- right next to posting on sports message boards "for 20 years"

LOL @mattjames2010, was that seriously his reply to you? Wow.

You and @Scandri100 are kindred spirits, boy.

 

[SuspectCorner]

I have Mo in contention for 'Comeback Player of the Year'. Be well and hurry back, Mister Claiborne.

 

[Scandri100]

Gonna be funny as hell watching claiborne pretend he's a top corner all year long...let's see what you got lmao.

 

[SuspectCorner]

Gonna be funny as hell watching claiborne pretend he's a top corner all year long...let's see what you got lmao.

Consult your optometrist post haste. If Claiborne is 'acting' - he's on track for an Oscar.

 

[Trouty]

Consult your optometrist post haste. If Claiborne is 'acting' - he's on track for an Oscar.

He's a troll, Corner.

 

[Redball Express]

yes...he's been ballin'...very happy for the dude after all the hell he's been through...benefitting from a fully healthy off season that has translated into a fantastic regular season...pay the man!

If we could get Scandrick out there..

he and Jones and Carr should really make a difference for the DL pass rush.

And Brown has been outstanding I think. too.

 

[haleyrules]

He's a troll, Corner.

The Cowboys best option, to protect their interests,would be to franchise Claiborne and see what happens. His past and injuries don't recommend anything too long. The club has been burned too many times by over paying for short term success.

 

[haleyrules]

what do you think about Wentz?

Since he plays fr the dreaded Eagles...he is nothing and will soon get his backside handed to me by the Cowboys!!!

 

[haleyrules]

Mo likes to bet on himself. Maybe we can get a 3 year deal with him with around 15 mill guaranteed, and leave ourselves an option to restructure or add two years to the deal if he is still balling after year two.

Agreed. That would be the extreme outside offer for a high risk player like Mo.

 

[Trouty]

The Cowboys best option, to protect their interests,would be to franchise Claiborne and see what happens. His past and injuries don't recommend anything too long. The club has been burned too many times by over paying for short term success.

I disagree with you there, Haley, but that coming from you will put more thought on my mind, my brother.

 

[zrinkill]

Since he plays fr the dreaded Eagles...he is nothing and will soon get his backside handed to me by the Cowboys!!!

I was just asking because this new guy shows up on monday and starts badmouthing our players in the weeks leading up to the Eagles game ...... my trolldar went off.