Mo Claiborne

[Trouty]

It depends on what he'll demand in the new contract vs. the franchise tag. He's finally coming around to earning his keep and that's great but I don't trust his longevity on the field to hook him up for 4 or 5 more years. Just sayin there's a lot of if's between now and the end of the year. It will be interesting.

Thanks for the reply, Den

 

[Trouty]

So you think that...giving up a 1st and a 2nd for Mo, paying top of the draft money for Mo, investing 5 years of development and training into Mo, then giving top 10 of all CB in football franchise money to Mo that we should then let Mo go off to another team in his prime years....is a smart thing to do?

I....do not.

Amen, brudda! It would be horrible.

 

[Bleu Star]

Am I the only one who doesn't worry much about Heath being in there? He's a good backup, and a smart player.

Good and smart are both stretches for him at the NFL level and, unfortunately, I have a fairly large sample size to help bring me to that conclusion. They're were multiple occasions against GB where his reaction time was that of a couch potato. He was getting burnt left & right at the beginning of routes and, thankfully, that was overshadowed by the play of our front line and practically everyone else around him. Go back and watch the tape. His reaction time almost gave me a heart attack.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

Nope. Nope to all of that.

And @rd26 didn't say "less than 14 guar" so quote him right. And we are factoring his propensity to injury, hence the low AAV for such a premium position. Take dem goggles off.

This season isn't an outlier, he played very well last season, too.

The g'teed money is all the matters in all of this. The rest is just funny money that will never be paid out. Actually, clicking the zoom out button and just looking at the team as a whole and not just this particular underachiever, guys like Carr (who's given you way more than Claiborne over the life of his deal) and McClain (who's been a beast this year) are also guys to consider for the tag or an extension. Maybe the real solution here is to just low ball Claiborne, let him say no, and then say goodbye to him. And no, last year Claiborne was a total spare just like the rest of his career to that point. Speaking of goggles, is this a Cowboys fan board, or a player fan club board?

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

So you think that...giving up a 1st and a 2nd for Mo, paying top of the draft money for Mo, investing 5 years of development and training into Mo, then giving top 10 of all CB in football franchise money to Mo that we should then let Mo go off to another team in his prime years....is a smart thing to do?

I....do not.

With respect to the draft picks we wasted on him, you cut your losses and move on. Don't throw good money after bad. LMAO @ Claiborne having "prime years" at all. I guess I have a lot higher standards for first rounders. Relative to the rest of the league, he's not even a top level CB. You have to actually be available more often than not to be one of those. Look, it's obvious that I've wandered into a meeting of the Claiborne cult (can't believe one exists), but the hype for this guy after 6 games (in his fourth year) is absurd. It's like a bunch of 12 year olds crying because their favorite baseball player might get traded or something.

 

[Trouty]

The g'teed money is all the matters in all of this. The rest is just funny money that will never be paid out. Actually, clicking the zoom out button and just looking at the team as a whole and not just this particular underachiever, guys like Carr (who's given you way more than Claiborne over the life of his deal) and McClain (who's been a beast this year) are also guys to consider for the tag or an extension. Maybe the real solution here is to just low ball Claiborne, let him say no, and then say goodbye to him. And no, last year Claiborne was a total spare just like the rest of his career to that point. Speaking of goggles, is this a Cowboys fan board, or a player fan club board?

This is a Mo thread, to answer that last question.

And you're way off. Except for your McClain comment. But to each their own.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

This is a Mo thread, to answer that last question.

And you're way off. Except for you McClain comment. But to each their own.

Claiborne is one member of a team, and a team that members here are first and foremost fans of over players, so the team must be taken into consideration first and foremost when thinking about any of this. He isn't a golfer. Although, I suppose there are NFL fans that follow their favorite pet player around the league like NBA fans do.

 

[nobody]

Jeebus

If you're going to quote, use the entire sentence instead of picking and choosing to alter the meaning.

 

[nobody]

Again, the dude hit him WELL AFTER the receiver was out of the way. How did he manage it unless he wasn't looking?

 

[Trouty]

Claiborne is one member of a team, and a team that members here are first and foremost fans of over players, so the team must be taken into consideration first and foremost when thinking about any of this. He isn't a golfer. Although, I suppose there are NFL fans that follow their favorite pet player around the league like NBA fans do.

Ok bubba, I think Clai helps the team. I think it would hurt the team, and be incredibly idiotic, as @Toruk_Makto said, to let this dude walk after all the work we've invested in him, ala TNew.

He didn't play bad last season like you wrongly quipped, he played very well, and graded pretty nice in lieu of having no OScan and an avg Carr and a rookie (Jones), not to mention the hodgepodge of other CBs that stepped in and out of the lineup.

He is physcial, blankets his receiver, plays naturally intuitive (in man), and now has confidence in himself.

It would hurt our team to let a pro bowl level CB walk (yes, he's there now), and then have to, in turn, use assets to find a CB1. Especially when we need to focus on DE and LB.

We can get him cheap, comparative to other CB1s due to his history. Idiotic is an understatement letting him leave, and the holes it would open for this team, when we're this close.

It would also be idiotic to give him close to 14mil guar for one season, as a Revis type signing so we can plug our other glaring holes on D for one year. What happens after that one year? What do you propose for addressing, now, a huge hole you have created on our defense (like we needed more)? Sign him for cheap and reap the rewards.

I don't know where you've been, but we've beaten this topic to death. But since you want to keep going, I'll oblige.

And team team team rah rah rah... and all that jazz..,

 

[nobody]

What happened is that Lee was expecting Rodgers to deliver the ball in the right place to let Nelson catch it. If Rodgers had done so, Nelson would've been right where Mo was and Lee would've hit him instead. Now whether or not he would've hit the receiver in the helmet too is unknown, and we can't know it. He might've hit him in the chest. It was just an unfortunate play.

That's fair, but he took a few steps after the receiver got out of the way and THEN lowered his helmet.

 

[nobody]

I see what happened. Pausing it at 20 seconds showed that Lee saw him and stepped wrong, stumbling into him. I'm not sure why he didn't at least try to twist to keep from a helmet-to-helmet hit. I guess his reaction time was a bit slow.

 

[Trouty]

I see what happened. Pausing it at 20 seconds showed that Lee saw him and stepped wrong, stumbling into him. I'm not sure why he didn't at least try to twist to keep from a helmet-to-helmet hit. I guess his reaction time was a bit slow.

Good to see you come around, DM

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

Lol, we going on, ey?

Ok bubba, I think Clai helps the team. I think it would hurt the team, and be incredibly idiotic, as @Toruk_Makto said, to let this dude walk after all the work we've invested in him, ala TNew.

He didn't play bad last season like you wrongly quipped, he played very well, and graded pretty nice in lieu of having no OScan and an avg Carr and a rookie (Jones), not to mention the hodgepodge of other CBs that stepped in and out of the lineup.

He is physcial, blankets his receiver, plays intuitive, and now has confidence in himself.

It would hurt our team to let a pro bowl level CB walk (yes, he's there now), and then have to, in turn, use assets to find a CB1. Especially when we need to focus on DE and LB.

We can get him cheap, comparative to other CB1s due to his history. Idiotic is an understatement letting him leave, and the holes it would open for this team, when we're this close.

It would also be idiotic to give him close to 14mil guar for one season, as a Revis type signing so we can plug our other glaring holes on D for one year. What happens after that one year? What do you propose for addressing, now, a huge hole you have created on our defense (like we needed more). Sign him for cheap, and reap, the rewards.

I don't know where you've been, but we've beaten this topic to death. But since you want to keep going, I'll oblige.

And team team team rah rah rah... and all that jazz..,

I can go on pretty much forever about how spare I think this guy is, which he is. And we were just watching different games last year, because Claiborne looked the same as he always has. And he was facing the same difficulties as everyone else on the D the last several years and has still managed to solidify a reputation for being toast more often than not (or hurt). The rest sound like excuses. Too late for those in year 4 (or 3, really).

It would hurt our team to overpay a spare that manages to make a Pro Bowl (and let me know when that actually happens) in year four despite being a first rounder. Roy Williams, anyone? LOL @ Claiborne being a "CB1". He'll be lucky to be a CB2 at his next stop. He wouldn't leave a single hole here, except for maybe at the training table. I'm totally comfortable with A. Brown next season and beyond.

We don't have to give him anything. A tag is only one smart option. The other is letting him walk and occupy somebody's else's training table. That's where it ends, unless the FO wants to go back to 2000-2010 and some of those deals they handed out. I'm not real interested in that.

And your very last sentence tells me you're more of a player fan club, fantasy football GM than a Cowboys fan, which is fine, but I don't identify with that mentality. Kind of ironic, too. Every one of your posts ITT are "RAH RAH, Claiborne". Is this an LSU thing, or something? I don't get it. The LSU players the Cowboys have drafted the last 20 years have pretty much all sucked relative to where they were drafted. A smart move would be to not even consider players from there. They tend to be fat, stupid, and underachieve. I can only expect the FO to make so many smart decisions at once, though.

 

[nobody]

Good to see you come around, DM

I'm always willing to admit when I'm wrong. I was just trying to figure out why he lowered his helmet when it was obvious he wasn't gonna hit the receiver. Now it makes sense.

 

[Trouty]

With respect to the draft picks we wasted on him, you cut your losses and move on. Don't throw good money after bad. LMAO @ Claiborne having "prime years" at all. I guess I have a lot higher standards for first rounders. Relative to the rest of the league, he's not even a top level CB. You have to actually be available more often than not to be one of those. Look, it's obvious that I've wandered into a meeting of the Claiborne cult (can't believe one exists), but the hype for this guy after 6 games (in his fourth year) is absurd. It's like a bunch of 12 year olds crying because their favorite baseball player might get traded or something.

Are you calling us a bunch of 12 year old, using it as a metaphor? Just to be clear.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

Are you calling us a bunch of 12 year old, using it as a metaphor? Just to be clear.

If I was literally calling anyone anything, I would say so directly. That said, little kids do whine a lot when they lose their sports binkies.

 

[Trouty]

I can go on pretty much forever about how spare I think this guy is, which he is. And we were just watching different games last year, because Claiborne looked the same as he always has. And he was facing the same difficulties as everyone else on the D the last several years and has still managed to solidify a reputation for being toast more often than not (or hurt). The rest sound like excuses. Too late for those in year 4 (or 3, really).

It would hurt our team to overpay a spare that manages to make a Pro Bowl (and let me know when that actually happens) in year four despite being a first rounder. Roy Williams, anyone? LOL @ Claiborne being a "CB1". He'll be lucky to be a CB2 at his next stop. He wouldn't leave a single hole here, except for maybe at the training table. I'm totally comfortable with A. Brown next season and beyond.

We don't have to give him anything. A tag is only one smart option. The other is letting him walk and occupy somebody's else's training table. That's where it ends, unless the FO wants to go back to 2000-2010 and some of those deals they handed out. I'm not real interested in that.

And your very last sentence tells me you're more of a player fan club, fantasy football GM than a Cowboys fan, which is fine, but I don't identify with that mentality. Kind of ironic, too. Every one of your posts ITT are "RAH RAH, Claiborne". Is this an LSU thing, or something? I don't get it. The LSU players the Cowboys have drafted the last 20 years have pretty much all sucked relative to where they were drafted. A smart move would be to not even consider players from there. They tend to be fat, stupid, and underachieve. I can only expect the FO to make so many smart decisions at once, though.

Don't follow college, but now that you and our resident troll (@Gabe) have regressed to calling out colleges as some "smart" way to debate a player, rather than just accepting that I like Clai, it puts you, as a poster, in better perspective.

Use all your "lol Lsu bs" you want, you are too jaded in your view of Clai to properly assess him.

You hate him. You want him off the team. Even if it hurts the team.

Are you some LSU hater, did we skip over your pet cat in order to draft Clai? I can play your game, too.

"No he sucks derp derp" shaddup

 

[Trouty]

If I was literally calling anyone anything, I would say so directly. That said, little kids do whine a lot when they lose their sports binkies.

So, you like sucking on things? interesting analogy, their bubba...

 

[Trouty]

I'm always willing to admit when I'm wrong. I was just trying to figure out why he lowered his helmet when it was obvious he wasn't gonna hit the receiver. Now it makes sense.

Same here, admitting when you are wrong is a virtue. @CVN68_Cowboys could take some notes.