Moore fail or Dak Fail?

[G2]

Jalen hurts is limited but their OC / HC crafted a system for him to succeed and look where they are now.

That's true, they stomped a mudhole into the 49ers, but Hurts was a fraction of the production.

 

[FVSTONE]

More times than not, receivers and TEs were running free while Dakota "WENTZ 2.0" Prescot was throwing into double and triple coverages. That one look ability in the NFL doesn't playout too well in the NFL. There should be a NEW rule in place called the "Prescot Rule", the way it works is if Prescot throws to the first receiver or TE he sees then he should be fined $100K because that receiver or TE is probably being locked down by the defense so options 2, 3 or 4 are probably wide open!

 

[nalam]

Both fail

This !

 

[khiladi]

1 read QB…

 

[khiladi]

Dude reads the field like an undrafted rookie from Sacramento state.

He doesn’t read the field. He’s a system Qb that goes to his early reads. That’s why Moore had to go up tempo all the time.

Dak is slow period..

 

[khiladi]

the two receivers were at the same level, Dak could throw to one or the other, the LB's movement was almost instantaneous and Dak decides to throw to the side where there are 3 defenders, did experts analyze that play? they must be Dak lovers just like you. pause at 1:55 vision is at the forefront

This is the same guy that says Brice butler was better than Dez Bryant…. It’s a cute defense of Dak and all, but a real QB would have read it pre-snap and when the LB immediately went to cover Lamb with the safety shift to cover behind, as they were blitzing from that side..

 

[wssaustin]

1 read QB…

with no arm and no accuracy.

 

[Bing]

Moore is a better OC then Dak is a QB.
I dont understand why anyone would think any different of Dak today then when he was coming out of college. Here is a small bit leading up to the draft 7 years ago.

"Prescott is worryingly inaccurate on the majority of all his throws. He can only execute passes downfield when his receivers win at the point of attack consistently. He also struggles processing information quickly and making sound decisions in the pocket. The unifying theme with Prescott’s developmental arc is tied directly to his ball placement maladies.

Dak Prescott has trouble completing all types of passes. In my film study, the root of his inaccuracy is not mechanical. There are no glaring technical flaws in his delivery, footwork or arm strength. His issues are almost strictly conceptual. He demonstrates a limited understanding of ball placement and struggles anticipating passing windows."
https://mattwaldmanrsp-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/11/04/dak-prescott/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16752905616938&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/11/04/dak-prescott/

Again that was written about Dak pre draft when he was coming in out of college but someone could rewrite it today word for word and it would still fit him perfectly. Dak is who he is. We can change OC's as often as you want, it's still not going to change Dak from who he is.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

More times than not, receivers and TEs were running free while Dakota "WENTZ 2.0" Prescot was throwing into double and triple coverages. That one look ability in the NFL doesn't playout too well in the NFL. There should be a NEW rule in place called the "Prescot Rule", the way it works is if Prescot throws to the first receiver or TE he sees then he should be fined $100K because that receiver or TE is probably being locked down by the defense so options 2, 3 or 4 are probably wide open!

yet, here was Warner just saying the opposite of what you just said.... let me see do I believe Curt Warner a HOF superbowl winning QB or do I listen to an internet troll.

man that's a tough choice.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well next year we'll see if Dak failed Moore or if Moore failed Dak. Personally I feel there's blame on both sides. I bet Dak will be a backup QB somewhere in 3 season and within 3 seasons Moore will be out of the NFL.

I think people forget McCarthy in all of this. Moore wanted to run his offense and based on few articles I have read, McCarthy wanted Dak to be aggressive and force the ball down field. given we had WRs that didn't get a lot of separation, I think to your point its a little bit of everyone. McCarthy and Moore not on the same page. Moore was forced onto McCarthy and he gave him a chance and it seems philosophies were not aligned. Moore made mistakes, which is to be expected from a young OC with all of 4 years of coaching experience. and Dak is not elite, so he also made mistakes. it was just not a good mix. this might be one of those situations that's best for everyone.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dallas would have beat 49er’s if Kellen suited up and benched Dak? Believe so…

when you pull your head out of your rear end, does it go plop? or ploop?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

When Kurt Warner analyzed this play he said the LBer Warner was the read. When Warner took off with Lamb, Prescott was supposed to eliminated him from the play. But he forced it instead. I remember watching the game live and immediately saying he should have thrown it to Hilton. But I was on my couch having a beer with no LBer bearing down on me so what do I know.

I watched that replay multiple times and people can make a case for both. you get your best WR with a LBer 1-on-1 with no help from safties, that's your read. and maybe he should have expected Hilton to come open, at the time he went back for the throw, pressure was coming and Hilton wasn't open then, hilton was open after the ball was in the air. so should he have expected hilton to get open? maybe. should he have thrown to CD, maybe. Warner made a great play. which is my question on Why CD couldn't beat a LBer and be more wide open.

 

[DandyDon52]

When was Hilton open? It wasn’t immediate. You don’t have all day to throw it. Warner sprinting to cover man on with the guy in the slot is the matchup you want. It’s a split second decision. The QB recognized the disguised blitz and had to throw the ball. Blitzer comes just as the ball is snapped. Where do you go when you know the blitz is coming and you know the LB on the opposite side has to cover your #1? It’s a quick play but a simple read. Maybe Dak waits a few seconds longer and sees Hilton open? He’s probably sacked at that point.

as kurt warner says it is hard to throw over the lb, and under the safety so due to the bliz, maybe a checkdown to rb or someone else, or throw it away.
by throwing to hilton, just throw it over the guy underneath, and hilton either gets to it or not.

 

[SultanOfSix]

How is this a Moore fail? He calls the play and the defense then lines up. It’s up to Dak to read the defense and either make a change at the line or go with the play at hand. Since he went with the latter, it can’t possibly be Moore’s fault since now Dak has agreed to the play based on the coverage. Now it is up to Dak to read the defense live and go through his progression. He should’ve seen the one on one coverage of CD with help over the top. The blitz by the defender changed this but the other LB went to cover him with the safety help still there. Dak should’ve known it was a deep route so he was not turned around to be open in time. Because this LB shifted, it was one on one with Hilton with no safety help and empty field behind him. He should’ve thrown it to Hilton who would’ve been the second progression. It’s an obvious Dak fail. He zeroed in on one receiver and went with it.

 

[Whirlwin]

The franchise failed. San Francisco, Kansas City, Eagles. You stop one guy another one shows up. You stop to there’s a third. You stop three the quarterback has legs . We had CeeDee Lamb and Tony Pollard. But Prescott can’t do it by himself. No kidding neither can any of them.

 

[Whirlwin]

How is this a Moore fail? He calls the play and the defense then lines up. It’s up to Dak to read the defense and either make a change at the line or go with the play at hand. Since he went with the latter, it can’t possibly be Moore’s fault since now Dak has agreed to the play based on the coverage. Now it is up to Dak to read the defense live and go through his progression. He should’ve seen the one on one coverage of CD with help over the top. The blitz by the defender changed this but the other LB went to cover him with the safety help still there. Dak should’ve known it was a deep route so he was not turned around to be open in time. Because this LB shifted, it was one on one with Hilton with no safety help and empty field behind him. He should’ve thrown it to Hilton who would’ve been the second progression. It’s an obvious Dak fail. He zeroed in on one receiver and went with it.

It’s obvious you don’t have a clue if you’re blaming it on Prescott. It’s obvious you don’t have a clue if you’re blaming it on Prescott. There’s four parts to a ball game.

 

[Cmac]

Are we rebuilding because Kellen Moore is gone?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How is this a Moore fail? He calls the play and the defense then lines up. It’s up to Dak to read the defense and either make a change at the line or go with the play at hand. Since he went with the latter, it can’t possibly be Moore’s fault since now Dak has agreed to the play based on the coverage. Now it is up to Dak to read the defense live and go through his progression. He should’ve seen the one on one coverage of CD with help over the top. The blitz by the defender changed this but the other LB went to cover him with the safety help still there. Dak should’ve known it was a deep route so he was not turned around to be open in time. Because this LB shifted, it was one on one with Hilton with no safety help and empty field behind him. He should’ve thrown it to Hilton who would’ve been the second progression. It’s an obvious Dak fail. He zeroed in on one receiver and went with it.

Moore's play calls put players, and WR in postion to be open or not, McVay schemes his WRs open on many of his designs, but Moore relies on players doing all the work to get open and perfect exection. there are rarely any misdirection or forcing the defense to make a guess or pick a poison. so yes, Moore had a direct hand in it.

with that said, its also Dak as he is not elite, so how do you protect him and/or simplify it for him?

and how do you scheme such that Wrs are more easily finding open slots and forcing defense to react and pick a poison as said above and get one or the other WRs open. running 4 curl routes at the same depth is not that. running all WRs deep and the same depth is not it.

on that particular play, you have your WR lined being defended by a LB. why couldn't the WR get more separation...for Gawd's sake he is a dang LB. and then execution failed. everyone is focused on the throw, but there was a lot that happened before the throw...

plenty of blame to go all around.

 

[SultanOfSix]

It’s obvious you don’t have a clue if you’re blaming it on Prescott. It’s obvious you don’t have a clue if you’re blaming it on Prescott. There’s four parts to a ball game.

Me: provides an explanation.
You: you’re wrong because I say so.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Moore's play calls put players, and WR in postion to be open or not, McVay schemes his WRs open on many of his designs, but Moore relies on players doing all the work to get open and perfect exection. there are rarely any misdirection or forcing the defense to make a guess or pick a poison. so yes, Moore had a direct hand in it.

with that said, its also Dak as he is not elite, so how do you protect him and/or simplify it for him?

and how do you scheme such that Wrs are more easily finding open slots and forcing defense to react and pick a poison as said above and get one or the other WRs open. running 4 curl routes at the same depth is not that. running all WRs deep and the same depth is not it.

on that particular play, you have your WR lined being defended by a LB. why couldn't the WR get more separation...for Gawd's sake he is a dang LB. and then execution failed. everyone is focused on the throw, but there was a lot that happened before the throw...

plenty of blame to go all around.

Dude, there was a maximum of two progressions he had to go through here here to see a wide open receiver. He zeroed in on the first. There’s nothing complicated about it.