Moore: Stephen Jones says Cowboys could add veteran & young QBs

[DandyDon1722]

Right answer Stephen and both options are relatively cheap. A rookie contract and a reasonable deal for a backup.

 

[EPL0c0]

Start with fact: The offense is NOT Romo-friendly... the offense wholly Romo-dependent.

Without Romo and all the "Romo-Magic" and skills that he brings to the table, it simple does not function the same way. It showed very poor coaching by Garrett and his staff that they could not make adjustments to the offense to fit another QB. It's like they expect a backup to step in and be Romo.

That other teams can win with a backup QB by making adjustements to fit the backup QB speaks volumes about the poor job the Cowboys coaching staff did in building, preparing, and executing the offensive scheme without Romo.

It doesn't really matter who they bring in or draft if that QB is having to fit an inflexible mold in order to suit the system.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

You have to start by scrapping Garretts playbook.


I honestly think it's a higher priority than the QB itself because you have seen Weeden go on to have success away from Dallas.

Also, we've seen Cassell have success in the NFL as well.


No QB that isn't absolutely elite is going to have success in a passing scheme that is predictable and doesn't ever help the passing game with design.

I see your point, and I agree that our offense is just too basic to work at the NFL level at this point unless they got rid of the salary cap and we were able to simply have anyone we wanted at every single position on offense.

So that said I do think our offensive scheme, plans, etc. need a whole lot of work.

However the problem is going to be that none of that is ever going to happen as long as Jason Garrett is the HC of the Dallas Cowboys. So that's not really a valid option, at this point. Until Garrett is fired as the HC here then you're not going to see the offensive style change much.

 

[Doomsay]

If Stephen still believes this team made the right decision in choosing Weeden to QB the team, he's hopelessly in denial. If there's an appropriate time to admit your mistake, that time is now.

I think here Jr. is actually defending the "quick" cutting of Weeden, but yeah, his dismissal was somehow all part of the "great evaluation process" that brought Weeden here in the first place.

Jones stressed that he believes Weeden can still be successful in the NFL. But he doesn't think the club moved on too quickly.

"In our minds, we had a great evaluation process on Weeden," Jones said. "We got to spend a lot of time with him. At the end of the day, I think we're very comfortable that we made the right decision for us."

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You have to start by scrapping Garretts playbook.


I honestly think it's a higher priority than the QB itself because you have seen Weeden go on to have success away from Dallas.

Also, we've seen Cassell have success in the NFL as well.


No QB that isn't absolutely elite is going to have success in a passing scheme that is predictable and doesn't ever help the passing game with design.

Honestly, I don't think we need to scrap the play book Catch. I think we just need to use it. We seem to have just limited what we do with the playbook so much, once we got 2nd stringers back in there that it really killed us. Can the QBs play? It's really hard to say because we rarely let them open up the Offense. We play them to not make mistakes and that limits them. Hard to build any confidence if you are a QB coming in to relieve if all you are doing is dumping off and playing it safe. Maybe they could never do it even if they had an open game plan but I don't know how we could ever really know for sure.

IDK.

 

[CATCH17]

Honestly, I don't think we need to scrap the play book Catch. I think we just need to use it. We seem to have just limited what we do with the playbook so much, once we got 2nd stringers back in there that it really killed us. Can the QBs play? It's really hard to say because we rarely let them open up the Offense. We play them to not make mistakes and that limits them. Hard to build any confidence if you are a QB coming in to relieve if all you are doing is dumping off and playing it safe. Maybe they could never do it even if they had an open game plan but I don't know how we could ever really know for sure.

IDK.

I don't know.

Anytime we try a pick play or anything that goes sideways it just looks so foreign to this team.

There are highschool teams that look more comfortable running those plays than we do.

 

[JW82]

That will not happen until he is gone, unfortunately.



The option routes and things that have become Romo-Reliant have to be modified or at least minimized as the core of the scheme.

Well first they tried giving the play calling to callahan then they brought in linahan. Now they need to get a new OC and give him full control. Not sure is the current OC is using his own playbook or Garretts. I jerry will try any combo before he gets a new HC. I can see a few years from JG sitting in Jerrys both "head coaching " through a toy headset so Jerry doesn't have to get rid of him.

 

[jterrell]

If Stephen still believes this team made the right decision in choosing Weeden to QB the team, he's hopelessly in denial. If there's an appropriate time to admit your mistake, that time is now.

that's not what he said.

 

[jterrell]

This organization is so reactionary, a proactive stance should have been taken maybe before this season on a young QB. We get a fix for this problem then another one will pop up that's already here (safety, CB help) that wont be addressed again till after the fact, Im as frustrated as Stephen.

reasonably fair but 31 teams are looking to fix problems each season.
if anything dallas spending last off-season thinking it was in the catbird's seat was the biggest issue.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know.

Anytime we try a pick play or anything that goes sideways it just looks so foreign to this team.

There are highschool teams that look more comfortable running those plays than we do.

To me, Offense is not about what specific play you call. To me, it's about executing whatever it is you do and forcing Defenses to play against the entire field. The thing you can't do is become to predictable and hurt yourself by allowing the Defense to only play against part of your offense. Those guys on the other team, the other side of the ball, they are pretty good too. We do way too much of that. We make it too easy for those guys to defense us. You gotta let the offense flow. You have to allow the backup to open up the playbook and you have to execute. If there is one thing that was a huge disappointment this year, it was how poorly we executed our Offense at times. You have to be able to run the play and make the catch or get the block. It's just that simple and that goes for any Offense. You can install anything but if you can catch the ball, hit the hole or get a block, you won't be successful no matter who your QB is or what scheme you run.

JMO

 

[EPL0c0]

You have to start by scrapping Garretts playbook.


I honestly think it's a higher priority than the QB itself because you have seen Weeden go on to have success away from Dallas.

Also, we've seen Cassell have success in the NFL as well.


No QB that isn't absolutely elite is going to have success in a passing scheme that is predictable and doesn't ever help the passing game with design.

Exactly.

It's a lot like how Chip Kelly was determined to make Murray fit his system rather than adjusting his system to best fit Murray's abilities.

 

[Floatyworm]

I wouldn't be shocked to see we cut bait w/ broken down Romo and roll with......

1. Lynch
2. Manziel
3. Moore

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

What I am reading from Sir Jones and Prince Stephen is that
1. a blue-chip QB in the draft is not a priority
2. Moore will be further evaluated and perhaps will be Romo's backup.
3. There is a feeling at the FO that injuries, not personnel or Garrett's playbook, were at fault in 2015 so, "Let's try the same thing again in 2016!"

Not optimistic in thinking that rebuilding can start this spring. I think the FO thinks injuries took our Super Bowl away and that is just not rooted in reality. We have to rebuild the offense (QB/RB) and defense (overall), especially our awful secondary.

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

IDK whenever I hear him talk/make a statement the first thing that comes to mind is the sheriff from Smokey and the Bandit and his son Junior Justice "daddy the top came off" Or even Big Enos and Little Enos.

 

[Future]

Start with fact: The offense is NOT Romo-friendly... the offense wholly Romo-dependent.

Without Romo and all the "Romo-Magic" and skills that he brings to the table, it simple does not function the same way. It showed very poor coaching by Garrett and his staff that they could not make adjustments to the offense to fit another QB. It's like they expect a backup to step in and be Romo.

That other teams can win with a backup QB by making adjustements to fit the backup QB speaks volumes about the poor job the Cowboys coaching staff did in building, preparing, and executing the offensive scheme without Romo.

It doesn't really matter who they bring in or draft if that QB is having to fit an inflexible mold in order to suit the system.

nailed it

 

[Future]

I wouldn't be shocked to see we cut bait w/ broken down Romo and roll with......

1. Lynch
2. Manziel
3. Moore

You honestly wouldn't be surprised if we got rid of Romo?

 

[big dog cowboy]

It is one win more than he got in Dallas. Conversely, a lot was put into that one win from Cassel. There was a good bit of that during that one glorious week afterglow.

The flip side of that is the Houston defense outscored their opponent. So Weeds was going to get the win regardless. All he had do to was show up and automatically get the W.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I wouldn't be shocked to see we cut bait w/ broken down Romo and roll with......

1. Lynch
2. Manziel
3. Moore

Come on Floaty. That's not even a good attempt at baiting.

LOL.....

 

[mrmojo]

To me, Offense is not about what specific play you call. To me, it's about executing whatever it is you do and forcing Defenses to play against the entire field. The thing you can't do is become to predictable and hurt yourself by allowing the Defense to only play against part of your offense. Those guys on the other team, the other side of the ball, they are pretty good too. We do way too much of that. We make it too easy for those guys to defense us. You gotta let the offense flow. You have to allow the backup to open up the playbook and you have to execute. If there is one thing that was a huge disappointment this year, it was how poorly we executed our Offense at times. You have to be able to run the play and make the catch or get the block. It's just that simple and that goes for any Offense. You can install anything but if you can catch the ball, hit the hole or get a block, you won't be successful no matter who your QB is or what scheme you run.

JMO

I agree. Lombardi's Packers and Jimmy's offensive teams under Norv executed simple plays very well.

 

[Kevinicus]

You have to start by scrapping Garretts playbook.


I honestly think it's a higher priority than the QB itself because you have seen Weeden go on to have success away from Dallas.

Also, we've seen Cassell have success in the NFL as well.


No QB that isn't absolutely elite is going to have success in a passing scheme that is predictable and doesn't ever help the passing game with design.

Agreed. I think this idea of the offense being too "Romo-friendly" is wrong headed. It is not Romo-friendly. It's not QB friendly. What it is is Romo dependent.

And it might not be the "system" exactly, but how they choose to implement it. I have seen them do some things different on rare occassions, so I know it's in there somewhere, they just seem stubborn with certain things.