Moore: Stephen Jones says Cowboys could add veteran & young QBs

Well, at least two or three ideas depending on how things fall. For instance, if they do have Goff in their top four, but no other QB, and he's taken by Cleveland, then what's the next option? Or is Goff even the top option? Maybe Bosa's No. 1 on their board.

I think there are 3 players they are looking at for the 4th pick............Goff, Bosa, and Treadwell

If one of these guys is there, I think they take them. If all three are gone, then we are probably looking at a trade down.
 
And Lynch. My opinion.

I heard Broaddus on the Break the other day say that he thought the team valued Goff more than Lynch and really looked at Lynch like a project whereas Goff was more polished and could be the number 2 QB next season as well as the eventual starter.

So I got the feeling from Broaddus that the team likes Goff more than Lynch. Of course this may have just been Broaddus's opinion, I highly doubt the team is letting him sit in on draft meetings, so take this with a grain of salt.
 
I think there are 3 players they are looking at for the 4th pick............Goff, Bosa, and Treadwell

If one of these guys is there, I think they take them. If all three are gone, then we are probably looking at a trade down.

Not sure about the trade down, but it's possible that those are their top threes. Not sure we want to give up drafting one of the top five players in the draft. Although I'd say Tunsil is not likely to be our pick.
 
Not sure about the trade down, but it's possible that those are their top threes. Not sure we want to give up drafting one of the top five players in the draft. Although I'd say Tunsil is not likely to be our pick.

I am with you bro, I stay at 4 and take BPA............it might be a long time before we are drafting this high again.
 
I am with you bro, I stay at 4 and take BPA............it might be a long time before we are drafting this high again.

But here is the situation about "BPA" when drafting this high, what if it is a position where you are fairly comfortable?

Say Romo was perfectly healthy and was in his prime, but just broke his leg last year and is expected to make a full recovery. And you have a decent backup.

You still stick rigidly to that concept and take the BPA who happens to be a QB? No. Of course you don't.

The phrase should be modified to simply say, DRFN, "don't reach for need".

The lower the pick and the more ambiguous the talent gap becomes, the more "BPA" matters and means something.

QBs also are more high impact than other positions on the field, it almost lends itself to a different set of decisions than simply BPA if there is a need. The supply is so limited and the position so hard to evaluate.
 
But here is the situation about "BPA" when drafting this high, what if it is a position where you are fairly comfortable?

Say Romo was perfectly healthy and was in his prime, but just broke his leg last year and is expected to make a full recovery. And you have a decent backup.

You still stick rigidly to that concept and take the BPA who happens to be a QB? No. Of course you don't.

The phrase should be modified to simply say, DRFN, "don't reach for need".

The lower the pick and the more ambiguous the talent gap becomes, the more "BPA" matters and means something.

QBs also are more high impact than other positions on the field, it almost lends itself to a different set of decisions than simply BPA if there is a need. The supply is so limited and the position so hard to evaluate.

I don't think BPA means necessarily what it indicates to some at any point in the draft. I don't think the No. 1 player on your board is necessarily head and shoulders over the No. 2, etc.

There may be six to eight guys Dallas feels are not separated by much talentwise at the top of the draft. If one of those guys fills a need more than another, then you take him.

There also could be only three guys who are clearly considered better than the rest and if you have a chance at one of those guys, I believe you take him regardless of position rather than reaching for a lesser pick.

Now, I strongly believe in the tiered system Dallas and other teams use for their draft boards because I think it paints a clearer picture than simply ranking them 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. For me, it's just a question of what that top tier looks like.

If Dallas doesn't consider either Goff or Lynch in that top tier then it shouldn't take either at the No. 4 pick over a player who is in that tier. If Dallas can get what it believes to be an elite player at fourth overall, then that's what they should do over any need that it has.

If the next tier down isn't considered much of a drop-off, though, then I can see the team making a slight trade down or taking from that tier to better fill a need.

I'll use Tunsil for an example. Let's say he's the only one in the first tier still available at No. 4 and clearly better than anyone else available. I take him regardless of him being another offensive lineman.

However, if Tunsil is only considered slightly better than someone like Goff in the next tier, then I take Goff to better fill a need. If Tunsil is slightly better than Goff and several other players that better fill a need, then I consider a trade down knowing that I can get one of those players.

Again, I'm looking at Dallas taking advantage of this draft position to get one of the elite talents in this draft. The question will be at what point the talent drops off. Are there two guys, five guys, 10 guys who are on a similar level at the top?
 
the league has moves on to routes that are designed to get people open. We are still using 1995 playbook. Look how man rub, pick routes and combination routes ran to get a specific player open or "either or" type of route where one of the guys are going to be open. We are still running a vanilla offense full of option routes. And we do a terrible job practing rub routes/ pick routes when we do run them we get called.

:hammer:
 
But here is the situation about "BPA" when drafting this high, what if it is a position where you are fairly comfortable?

Say Romo was perfectly healthy and was in his prime, but just broke his leg last year and is expected to make a full recovery. And you have a decent backup.

You still stick rigidly to that concept and take the BPA who happens to be a QB? No. Of course you don't.

The phrase should be modified to simply say, DRFN, "don't reach for need".

The lower the pick and the more ambiguous the talent gap becomes, the more "BPA" matters and means something.

QBs also are more high impact than other positions on the field, it almost lends itself to a different set of decisions than simply BPA if there is a need. The supply is so limited and the position so hard to evaluate.

I think you have to follow your draft board, you cant take the 15th ranked player on your board if the 6th player ranked on your board is still there. Otherwise, why even bother making up a draft board and ranking the players if you are just going to ignore the rankings on draft day?
 
I think you have to follow your draft board, you cant take the 15th ranked player on your board if the 6th player ranked on your board is still there. Otherwise, why even bother making up a draft board and ranking the players if you are just going to ignore the rankings on draft day?

There are a number of reasons you flex away from the board or stick. Per Jones, Manziel was at the top of their board, they didn't take him. I don't think even the teams that are characterized as going BPA go down a numerical list and just pick the next one down. It does not work that way.
 
I heard Broaddus on the Break the other day say that he thought the team valued Goff more than Lynch and really looked at Lynch like a project whereas Goff was more polished and could be the number 2 QB next season as well as the eventual starter.

So I got the feeling from Broaddus that the team likes Goff more than Lynch. Of course this may have just been Broaddus's opinion, I highly doubt the team is letting him sit in on draft meetings, so take this with a grain of salt.

From what I've read and heard, Lynch doesn't look like a consideration for them. I think they value Wentz more highly and Goff is likely #1.
 
Take it for what it's worth, but I was told that while the Cowboys had several scouts at Goff's last game, they sent none to watch Lynch.

Dallas had people at the Memphis vs UH game in Houston, Cal was playing in Fort Worth vs Air Force I have no doubt Cowboys had people there
 
Dallas had people at the Memphis vs UH game in Houston, Cal was playing in Fort Worth vs Air Force I have no doubt Cowboys had people there

I was told that nobody from the Cowboys went to witness his meltdown against Auburn. And I can't help but think that if there was serious interest they wouldn't have let location change that.
 
I was told that nobody from the Cowboys went to witness his meltdown against Auburn. And I can't help but think that if there was serious interest they wouldn't have let location change that.

and again Cowboys had scouts in Houston for that conference championship game vs Houston. I don't know who is telling you what but Cowboys website the week of the game vs UH said Cowboys were sending people there to watch Lynch.
 
and again Cowboys had scouts in Houston for that conference championship game vs Houston. I don't know who is telling you what but Cowboys website the week of the game vs UH said Cowboys were sending people there to watch Lynch.

Why the fixation on the Houston game back in November? I wasn't referencing that game. I'm talking about both player's most recent performances.
 
Why the fixation on the Houston game back in November? I wasn't referencing that game. I'm talking about both player's most recent performances.

and how many games did they see Goff? No fixation but you nor I know who the Cowboys have interest in or how they view any players. Personally I have no issue with Goff, Lynch or Wentz and am no claiming who the Cowboys are interested or not. I bring up the fact Dallas said they were sending people to Houston to watch Lynch you trying to claim Dallas has no interest because you have no interest is silly
 
and how many games did they see Goff? No fixation but you nor I know who the Cowboys have interest in or how they view any players. Personally I have no issue with Goff, Lynch or Wentz and am no claiming who the Cowboys are interested or not. I bring up the fact Dallas said they were sending people to Houston to watch Lynch you trying to claim Dallas has no interest because you have no interest is silly

Why the fixation toward starting an argument? I merely passed on information given to me about scouts attendance or lack thereof in both players' most recent performances. After that, people are free to come to their own conclusions, as I have come to mine.

To me, I find it surprising that they would attend Goff's and not Lynch's. You keep bringing up location in your responses, is your contention that they didn't attend because the game was too far away for an NFL team to send a scout? Exactly what point are you trying to make in bringing up location?
 
Why the fixation toward starting an argument? I merely passed on information given to me about scouts attendance or lack thereof in both players' most recent performances. After that, people are free to come to their own conclusions, as I have come to mine.

To me, I find it surprising that they would attend Goff's and not Lynch's. You keep bringing up location in your responses, is your contention that they didn't attend because the game was too far away for an NFL team to send a scout? Exactly what point are you trying to make in bringing up location?

Point is they have seen both guys, how many times have they seen each one? chances are a number of times since regional scouts will attend many games within their regions. There is no fixation you make it out as if they have no interest in the guy you have no interest in. I point out they are seen both and will see Wentz playing in the senior bowl.
 

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