Moore: Stephen Jones says Cowboys could add veteran & young QBs

[Stash]

Point is they have seen both guys, how many times have they seen each one? chances are a number of times since regional scouts will attend many games within their regions. There is no fixation you make it out as if they have no interest in the guy you have no interest in. I point out they are seen both and will see Wentz playing in the senior bowl.

No, you're inferring that. I'm coming to my own conclusion based upon the information I received. In my opinion, it says that they have more interest in a player that they have actively scouted more recently than a player that they didn't.

They did send scouts to see Goff's most recent game, they will be getting an up close and personal look at Wentz at the Senior Bowl, and they chose not to send anyone to watch Lynch's most recent game. To me, that shows more interest in two of the three players. If you see things differently, you're free to do so.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, you're inferring that. I'm coming to my own conclusion based upon the information I received. In my opinion, it says that they have more interest in a player that they have actively scouted more recently than a player that they didn't.

They did send scouts to see Goff's most recent game, they will be getting an up close and personal look at Wentz at the Senior Bowl, and they chose not to send anyone to watch Lynch's most recent game. To me, that shows more interest in two of the three players. If you see things differently, you're free to do so.

Gotcha lol

I think they base it off more than 1 game. Cal vs Air Force is not going to be some determining factor. if teams are basing selection off 1 game then that would explain a lot of bust

 

[Stash]

Gotcha lol

I think they base it off more than 1 game. Cal vs Air Force is not going to be some determining factor. if teams are basing selection off 1 game then that would explain a lot of bust

I don't think so either. It's definitely the body of work. But, of the three quarterbacks, two impressed while the other crashed and burned in their last collegiate game.

And this is just my opinion - but I would have expected the Cowboys to have had a presence at all of these QB prospects' games, given the need and where they knew they would be drafting. It says something to me that they didn't attend Lynch's most recent performance. Others, like you, may feel differently.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think so either. It's definitely the body of work. But, of the three quarterbacks, two impressed while the other crashed and burned in their last collegiate game.

And this is just my opinion - but I would have expected the Cowboys to have had a presence at all of these QB prospects' games, given the need and where they knew they would be drafting. It says something to me that they didn't attend Lynch's most recent performance. Others, like you, may feel differently.

Memphis losing to a far superior team in Auburn I doubt will determine anything. using Cal game vs Air force as a determing factor? that is about as uneven of a matchup as Memphis vs Auburn.

 

[Stash]

Memphis losing to a far superior team in Auburn I doubt will determine anything. using Cal game vs Air force as a determing factor? that is about as uneven of a matchup as Memphis vs Auburn.

Yeah, like I said, basing your eventual decision on any one game would be a recipe for disaster.

 

[Beast_from_East]

There are a number of reasons you flex away from the board or stick. Per Jones, Manziel was at the top of their board, they didn't take him. I don't think even the teams that are characterized as going BPA go down a numerical list and just pick the next one down. It does not work that way.

Broaddus was explaining how the Cowboys put their board together the other day and he said that the Cowboys use a tier system where maybe X number of guys are considered tier 1, then Y number of guys are considered tier 2, and so on. Now the Cowboys do rank players both vertically and horizontally within each tier. Vertically means numerically, so within each tier you have 1, 2, 3, and so on. Horizontally means they are ranked within their position group, meaning among all WRs in the draft or QBs in the draft, and so on.

He said that the team changed the way it puts the board together because of incidents in the past where players that were drafted were not the highest on the board. Broaddus mentioned Sherrif Floyd as an example. He was like 6th in the first tier and was still on the board when Dallas was on the clock and they passed on him because Marinelli said Floyd was not needed in his scheme and resources could be used elsewhere. An argument then insued that if the team was not going to follow the board the scouts put together because a coach says he doesn't think a player is a good fit, then how many other rankings were wrong/to be ignored.

The solution to all of this was to start using a "pod system" where the postion coaches sat with the scouts for their postion and the coaches and scouts worked together putting the board together. So the LB coaches and the LB scouts would work on rankings for LBs that go into the board for draft day. This way there is no surprises or conflitcts as to how the board is organized or followed.

Long story short..............Dallas does indeed numerically rank within each tier and they try to stick to those rankings.

 

[Beast_from_East]

From what I've read and heard, Lynch doesn't look like a consideration for them. I think they value Wentz more highly and Goff is likely #1.

Agreed............I think they have Goff #1 and Wentz #2

I guess the question is if Cleveland takes Goff at 2, will Dallas take Wentz at 4, take another player at 4, or trade down?

 

[Stash]

Agreed............I think they have Goff #1 and Wentz #2

I guess the question is if Cleveland takes Goff at 2, will Dallas take Wentz at 4, take another player at 4, or trade down?

If it were me, and I liked Wentz and felt that he could be my next franchise quarterback, I gladly take him at #4 and not get cute trying to trade down and risk losing out in him.

 

[Alexander]

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1631356-cowboys-jerry-season-ending-q-and-a

WHAT IS DALLAS' BIGGEST NEED WITH THAT FOURTH PICK? -- "We've got to get the best player. We hear it. It's a cliche, but we hope, and we haven't even really scratched the surface in terms of an overall evaluation of what is the best player. But we're up here at the top of the draft frankly. I don't know that we've been here since the day that I walked through the door and there set Troy Aikman. Tongue in cheek, didn't we do a brilliant job preparing for the future by selecting brilliantly Troy Aikman with the No. 1 pick? But he had been sitting there and then by the time the evaluation process was over, he was the best quarterback. Did we need a quarterback or did we need a quarterback in '89? And he was the best quarterback to come along in years, and of course, it panned out. We need something like that to happen again around here."
WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE TAKING A QB AT NO. 4? -- "Yes."

 

[Beast_from_East]

http://www.scout.com/nfl/cowboys/story/1631356-cowboys-jerry-season-ending-q-and-a

WHAT IS DALLAS' BIGGEST NEED WITH THAT FOURTH PICK? -- "We've got to get the best player. We hear it. It's a cliche, but we hope, and we haven't even really scratched the surface in terms of an overall evaluation of what is the best player. But we're up here at the top of the draft frankly. I don't know that we've been here since the day that I walked through the door and there set Troy Aikman. Tongue in cheek, didn't we do a brilliant job preparing for the future by selecting brilliantly Troy Aikman with the No. 1 pick? But he had been sitting there and then by the time the evaluation process was over, he was the best quarterback. Did we need a quarterback or did we need a quarterback in '89? And he was the best quarterback to come along in years, and of course, it panned out. We need something like that to happen again around here."
WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE TAKING A QB AT NO. 4? -- "Yes."

Thanks, I had not seen this full quote before.

I am 95% confident we are taking a QB in the first round.......might be at 4 or in a small trade down, but it will be a QB.

 

[Alexander]

Thanks, I had not seen this full quote before.

I am 95% confident we are taking a QB in the first round.......might be at 4 or in a small trade down, but it will be a QB.

If Jones gets Manziel or Griffin, you can strike and reverse it.

 

[Beast_from_East]

If Jones gets Manziel or Griffin, you can strike and reverse it.

You seriously think we would pass up a franchise QB because we singed "RG3 and out" or "Billy Manzel" in free agency?

No way does the team see either one of those guys as long term starters...........or at least I hope not.

 

[Nightman]

You seriously think we would pass up a franchise QB because we singed "RG3 and out" or "Billy Manzel" in free agency?

No way does the team see either one of those guys as long term starters...........or at least I hope not.

Those guys should be a 1 year stop gap in case Romo gets hurt again.

In fact, if Romo stayed healthy and Goff showed promise, I would have no problem trading the vet at the deadline.

I only want a RGIII or a JF type as insurance. I hope they don't play a down. Then in 2017 Goff is the true QB2.

By 2018 Goff is QB1.

 

[Alexander]

You seriously think we would pass up a franchise QB because we singed "RG3 and out" or "Billy Manzel" in free agency?

No way does the team see either one of those guys as long term starters...........or at least I hope not.

Yes. That is what we do. We check off boxes.

Last year, all the boxes were to get a pass rush.

Got Hardy. Check.

Drafted Gregory. Double check.

All set!

 

[MikeT22]

If Jones gets Manziel or Griffin, you can strike and reverse it.

I fully expect that will happen. Jerry will think one of them could be a possible starter and decide to go another direction in the first round. Bad mistake but I'd put money on it. Then we may draft a lesser QB in the 2nd or 3rd who won't have the upside as the top 3.

 

[Alexander]

http://www.bringjohnny2dallas.com/#

 

[Beast_from_East]

http://www.bringjohnny2dallas.com/#

 

[big dog cowboy]

http://www.bringjohnny2dallas.com/#

 

[TwoDeep3]

If this means Johnny Manziel, or RGIII, plus a late (past the second) round draft choice equals a first rounder at 4th over-all, then they are as stupid as I think they are and their actions have proben for most of the last eighteen years.

 

[Eddie]

Jerry thinks Tony Romo could play for another 4 to 5 years, and thus drafting a QB in the high rounds would be a waste.