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Hostile said:Thanks Juke. I miss this stuff. I loved yelling in the film sessions.
Okay let me address the last part first. Perhaps excuse is a better word, but it gets thrown about too much here.BluMen said:
Hostile said:
BluMen said:
Hostile said:Okay you convinced me. I'll get ripped, but I don't care. First let me re-post the picture.
First let me give Vinny the advantage he is due. He has 17 years in this league.
The first thing I notice is the position of the head. This is one of my big gripes with Q. He looks down like he is looking at the RBs feet. He does this a lot, and it really irks me. A QB needs to be looking up at all times. Tacklers and weapons are not down low. They are at eye level. Notice Vinny's frame of reference. Eyes on where the RB is supposed to be, looking at chest level.
Right arm placement. When you take the snap from center you want to turn with both hands on the ball and the ball concealed by the torso. These guys are in textbook position. Bad form is when that right arm is away from the body. The reason that is bad form is because a defender still shielded from the ball can see that the ball is not in the throwing hand and he knows it is not a pass. Remember ball fakes are critical to selling a play. Both guys right arms are perfect. 2 years ago, Q's right arm would come out wide. If you remember Parcells wanted him to work on his ball fakes. They are better.
Left arm, again bad form by Q. Firt thing I want you to notice is the attitude of the ball. Vinny's is positioned so it hits the RB flat in the stomach. Q's is pointed at the stomach. Harder for the RB to get a firm hold. Greater chance of fumbling. I do not like this at all. The other noticable thing is his arm is bent whereas Vinny's is locked. Also bad form by Q. The quicker that ball is in the RBs stomach and hands the faster the play develops the quicker the defense has to react. One last thing, notice the height of the ball. This is due to the arm extension.
Okay now legs. Vinny is too stiff legged. Notice how Q is crouched. You want to be more flexed like that. Legs advantage goes to Q here.
Now the feet, seperate from the legs. Yet again, bad form on Q. Vinny is striding back to meet the RB, if this is a ball fake he will also be faster to keep the ball and set up for the pass. Q is selling the MLB that this is a run and all he has to do is react. Q is clearly waiting for the RB to come take the ball whereas Vinny is getting the ball back there to the runner. He's flat footed and his feet are too close together as well. If this is anything but a run, he is not ready for the play to happen.
The biggest problem with Vinny's mechanics in this picture is that he is stiff legged. This means he will move slower setting up. Everything else is very much textbook.
I said enough about Q to be hated for days. I'll refrain from summarizing. Suffice it to say that is painful for me to even look at.
Hostile said:Okay you convinced me. I'll get ripped, but I don't care. First let me re-post the picture.
First let me give Vinny the advantage he is due. He has 17 years in this league.
The first thing I notice is the position of the head. This is one of my big gripes with Q. He looks down like he is looking at the RBs feet. He does this a lot, and it really irks me. A QB needs to be looking up at all times. Tacklers and weapons are not down low. They are at eye level. Notice Vinny's frame of reference. Eyes on where the RB is supposed to be, looking at chest level.
Right arm placement. When you take the snap from center you want to turn with both hands on the ball and the ball concealed by the torso. These guys are in textbook position. Bad form is when that right arm is away from the body. The reason that is bad form is because a defender still shielded from the ball can see that the ball is not in the throwing hand and he knows it is not a pass. Remember ball fakes are critical to selling a play. Both guys right arms are perfect. 2 years ago, Q's right arm would come out wide. If you remember Parcells wanted him to work on his ball fakes. They are better.
Left arm, again bad form by Q. Firt thing I want you to notice is the attitude of the ball. Vinny's is positioned so it hits the RB flat in the stomach. Q's is pointed at the stomach. Harder for the RB to get a firm hold. Greater chance of fumbling. I do not like this at all. The other noticable thing is his arm is bent whereas Vinny's is locked. Also bad form by Q. The quicker that ball is in the RBs stomach and hands the faster the play develops the quicker the defense has to react. One last thing, notice the height of the ball. This is due to the arm extension.
Okay now legs. Vinny is too stiff legged. Notice how Q is crouched. You want to be more flexed like that. Legs advantage goes to Q here.
Now the feet, seperate from the legs. Yet again, bad form on Q. Vinny is striding back to meet the RB, if this is a ball fake he will also be faster to keep the ball and set up for the pass. Q is selling the MLB that this is a run and all he has to do is react. Q is clearly waiting for the RB to come take the ball whereas Vinny is getting the ball back there to the runner. He's flat footed and his feet are too close together as well. If this is anything but a run, he is not ready for the play to happen.
The biggest problem with Vinny's mechanics in this picture is that he is stiff legged. This means he will move slower setting up. Everything else is very much textbook.
I said enough about Q to be hated for days. I'll refrain from summarizing. Suffice it to say that is painful for me to even look at.
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Before video how do you suppose they did this?cowboyfreak said:You guys are acting ridiculous with this ( IMHO
I mean ok if its a film session that's one thing.
Even a three second clip that's one thing.
But,
By God on a snap shot that doesn't show you...
*the complete action
*other player's involved
*what type of play is called
*what type of drill is being asked for
*or the completion of any of the above.
It is a gawddang snapshot....hello???
I can just see Big Bill laughing his considerable as---err gluteous maximus off
I know we're starved for info, pics, and videos but come on...
it's a snapshot - I bet you could find a myriad of photos that capture something great at exactly the inoportune time that look stupid -
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Uh, before this picture their backs were turned, a coach simulated a snap count and they have turned around to hand the ball off. If the defense is back there that fast, we're already dead.Catch-22 said:I wasn't aware that players were looking at the Quarterbacks feet in those polaroid snapshops they get on the sidelines, thanks for telling me. Otherwise I might have thought they were looking at the opponents formations and coverage schemes, silly me
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