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Morning Pops. Morning Fellas and good morning to any who might stop in and check out the thread today.

Hump Day! What's everybody got going on today?

Jobs, Leon, dbrp, Xelda, zrin, Trouty, ksk, RGV, Coach, RWB, Ranching, SW and John, how are all of you doing?

Everyone, do what you gotta do but maybe try and fine a minute or two to have a little fun today!
 

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Good morning Pops and Brrrrrrrrr, a tad chilly this morning. Ya know, I complained a lot about the heat this summer and this is what I get in return. But hey, I wasn't the only one, couldn't throw a rock and not hit a complainer.....and that gave them something extra to complain about. Just can't please some folks.

Got a tough one coming tonight. My best bud in PA just lost his wife to that monster and we're going to have our monthly phone call tonight. When I first moved to PA and had only been on the job a week, my marketing director told me there is someone I must meet. She said I was the only one she'd met that had his sense of humor but he was a bit of a recluse. He owned a very successful ad agency and was a client so it made sense. So, I invited him to lunch. That lunch lasted 3 hours and that Saturday night we went out to dinner with our wives and they hit it off as well. But not like Mike and myself.

When two absurdists cross paths, it is best for innocent bystanders to find something else to talk about because they're going to get lost, as if they would even want to keep up. If you've ever gone through that exercise on how you reached a topic with someone, the path it took, with it's many turns, you will know the mind of an absurdist because we do that on a daily basis and having an attention disorder only serves to make that a more interesting mental journey. It is usually a defense mechanism learned early in life. Think about that so I don't have to think about this.....self digression.

We've been having our monthly call for many years and our wives never had to ask who we were talking to because of the laughter. It was an injection of energy for me and had a residual effect. And now I must do what he tried to do when this happened to me, make sense of this. I am torn between trying to make him laugh or just crying with him. This is the first time I've not looked forward to it because this is not one of those friends you just have to be a good listener and let them talk it out. He is expecting something from me.

When I got the call that she had passed, after the cruelest part of life getting the good news that she had beaten it, the scabs got ripped off, the pain came in waves and it was like I was going through it all again. The worst part is those visual images of how my wife looked at the end starting flying at me and I fell apart. I had worked so hard to bury those images with others and thought they were buried forever.

Now, I have to be what I am not, strong for my friend because he feels because I've felt the same kind of pain of losing the love of my life and best friend I can help him. It will be 8 years for me soon and I have not moved forward, I am still treading water and the phrase "time heals all wounds" is the best lie I know. Doesn't help that we're approaching what used to be my favorite time of the year that I now dread every year and now he must do that and that's a special kind of pain. Everywhere you look, there is someone missing.

Sorry for the length of this but from what I know about Pops, he wouldn't mind. Say a prayer or keep a good thought for me that I can be what my friend needs tonight, that I can be strong for him, the shoulder he needs as he's already warned me about. All of my fiends know me as "the funny guy" finding humor in anything, often too many things, but I am not sure I can be that tonight. And I need to be because I know laughter hastens healing. I didn't laugh for weeks after and remember the first time I did, it was as if this dark cloud parted and gave me just a quick glance at some sunshine. Just enough to let me know it was there, if I wanted some more. I have to help him do that tonight and just don't know if I am up to it.

And since I am on that subject with some new friends on this site, that's why I come here. That's why I returned to the old forum after I lost her. That's why she made me come back after losing my Dad. I use this site as therapy just as I used the old one. I am blessed with the ability to make myself laugh but it works best with the written word. I don't just like coming here, I have to come here. A little bit of insanity helps me keep mine. And there's a generous helping of warped minds here to prime the old pump.

Anyway, thanks for reading this, I needed to express myself and not many come here to this thread so this did seem to be the best place to do this. From what I know of Pops, he would want his thread to be one where we speak not just what's on our mind but what's in our hearts. And, my friends, mine is heavy today.
 

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Morning Pops. Morning Fellas and good morning to any who might stop in and check out the thread today.

Hump Day! What's everybody got going on today?

Jobs, Leon, dbrp, Xelda, zrin, Trouty, ksk, RGV, Coach, RWB, Ranching, SW and John, how are all of you doing?

Everyone, do what you gotta do but maybe try and fine a minute or two to have a little fun today!
That's why I'm here!
 

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Good morning Pops and Brrrrrrrrr, a tad chilly this morning. Ya know, I complained a lot about the heat this summer and this is what I get in return. But hey, I wasn't the only one, couldn't throw a rock and not hit a complainer.....and that gave them something extra to complain about. Just can't please some folks.

Got a tough one coming tonight. My best bud in PA just lost his wife to that monster and we're going to have our monthly phone call tonight. When I first moved to PA and had only been on the job a week, my marketing director told me there is someone I must meet. She said I was the only one she'd met that had his sense of humor but he was a bit of a recluse. He owned a very successful ad agency and was a client so it made sense. So, I invited him to lunch. That lunch lasted 3 hours and that Saturday night we went out to dinner with our wives and they hit it off as well. But not like Mike and myself.

When two absurdists cross paths, it is best for innocent bystanders to find something else to talk about because they're going to get lost, as if they would even want to keep up. If you've ever gone through that exercise on how you reached a topic with someone, the path it took, with it's many turns, you will know the mind of an absurdist because we do that on a daily basis and having an attention disorder only serves to make that a more interesting mental journey. It is usually a defense mechanism learned early in life. Think about that so I don't have to think about this.....self digression.

We've been having our monthly call for many years and our wives never had to ask who we were talking to because of the laughter. It was an injection of energy for me and had a residual effect. And now I must do what he tried to do when this happened to me, make sense of this. I am torn between trying to make him laugh or just crying with him. This is the first time I've not looked forward to it because this is not one of those friends you just have to be a good listener and let them talk it out. He is expecting something from me.

When I got the call that she had passed, after the cruelest part of life getting the good news that she had beaten it, the scabs got ripped off, the pain came in waves and it was like I was going through it all again. The worst part is those visual images of how my wife looked at the end starting flying at me and I fell apart. I had worked so hard to bury those images with others and thought they were buried forever.

Now, I have to be what I am not, strong for my friend because he feels because I've felt the same kind of pain of losing the love of my life and best friend I can help him. It will be 8 years for me soon and I have not moved forward, I am still treading water and the phrase "time heals all wounds" is the best lie I know. Doesn't help that we're approaching what used to be my favorite time of the year that I now dread every year and now he must do that and that's a special kind of pain. Everywhere you look, there is someone missing.

Sorry for the length of this but from what I know about Pops, he wouldn't mind. Say a prayer or keep a good thought for me that I can be what my friend needs tonight, that I can be strong for him, the shoulder he needs as he's already warned me about. All of my fiends know me as "the funny guy" finding humor in anything, often too many things, but I am not sure I can be that tonight. And I need to be because I know laughter hastens healing. I didn't laugh for weeks after and remember the first time I did, it was as if this dark cloud parted and gave me just a quick glance at some sunshine. Just enough to let me know it was there, if I wanted some more. I have to help him do that tonight and just don't know if I am up to it.

And since I am on that subject with some new friends on this site, that's why I come here. That's why I returned to the old forum after I lost her. That's why she made me come back after losing my Dad. I use this site as therapy just as I used the old one. I am blessed with the ability to make myself laugh but it works best with the written word. I don't just like coming here, I have to come here. A little bit of insanity helps me keep mine. And there's a generous helping of warped minds here to prime the old pump.

Anyway, thanks for reading this, I needed to express myself and not many come here to this thread so this did seem to be the best place to do this. From what I know of Pops, he would want his thread to be one where we speak not just what's on our mind but what's in our hearts. And, my friends, mine is heavy today.
CC, you're my oldest friend, because I don't usually like old people, and you're welcome to talk as long as you need to talk, about whatever it is you need to talk about.

Mike is very fortunate to have you, and something tells me you'll come up with the best words possible, when you talk to him. What's more, you'll do it effortlessly, because of your comfort level, and the fact that you're a naturally caring person.

It sounds to me as though you've both lost the one person who was your daily sounding board, so if I may, I'd like to suggest that you invite him to come live nearby. I imagine the two of you together could really scare and disgust your neighbors...and wouldn't that be fun?
 

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CC, you're my oldest friend, because I don't usually like old people, and you're welcome to talk as long as you need to talk, about whatever it is you need to talk about.

Mike is very fortunate to have you, and something tells me you'll come up with the best words possible, when you talk to him. What's more, you'll do it effortlessly, because of your comfort level, and the fact that you're a naturally caring person.

It sounds to me as though you've both lost the one person who was your daily sounding board, so if I may, I'd like to suggest that you invite him to come live nearby. I imagine the two of you together could really scare and disgust your neighbors...and wouldn't that be fun?
Thanks, Runny. He still has his ad agency but I don't know how much longer because his wife was his business partner too. And his two daughters still live in PA.

What I do think will happen is that monthly 3 hour conversation will became much more frequent and less in duration. He is going to be lost for a while. I held onto our house in Dallas for almost two years after because I was incapable of making decisions even though that would have been the smart thing to do, both emotionally and financially. There are periods of time I cannot account for during that time yet heartbreaking ones that I can recall too vividly.

But, out of that came a story of caring and compassion unlike I have ever experienced. I had just picked up my wife's urn at the funeral home and was driving to my house in Dallas. I stopped at a light and looked over and it was as if the realization of everything came crashing down and I lost it and I tell you, it was a good thing I didn't have my gun with me.

I heard a horn honking and looked over and a lady was motioning for me to pull over. I moved forward and pulled over and she pulled over right behind me. She came to the passenger side, opened the door, looked down and evidently knew what she was looking at and asked me to move it so she could get in. I was in shock and just complied and was holding the urn on the center console and she reached over and put her hand on it and asked "who was this"? Between the sobs, I told her it was my wife and she took my hand and said "please tell me about her". Later, I would notice she didn't say "how did she die"?

Runny, we sat there for 30 minutes, but it seemed like hours, but I wasn't telling this stranger about her sickness, the valiant fight she fought, I was telling her how beautiful she was inside and out. Fact is, she would have done for someone else what this kind lady was doing for me. The irony of that was the lady, this angel that arrived out of nowhere, was an oncology nurse at the hospital where we went but she actually worked in Baylor's Oncology Unit, not Texas Oncology.

Runny, to be completely honest, I do not know what would have happened when I got home. I would have done anything to make the pain go away but this kind lady had me talk about what my wife had been like alive and in doing so had changed where my mind was and headed. I've thought about that a lot and do not think she was there, at that time, just by coincidence or that she took the time to do what she did but being in the profession she's in, that better come naturally.

She gave me some advice, that I will also give Mike, that I wish I had taken because it was available to me, grief counseling. By not doing so, my grief has been extended and I did not take into consideration the effect of losing my Dad just 16 months earlier. I was in trouble and didn't realize it. I was going through all the motions of living but not really alive.

And now I believe I know my task. Do for Mike what she did for me, get him talking about her life, recall some of the funniest moments we all shared. Try to divert him to some sunshine. I know the one thing that helped me the most was when my morning man in OK lost his Dad and he was reluctant to talk about it with that being so close after me losing my wife I forced him to talk about it, just the two of us, and by doing so that was cathartic for my own healing. I didn't have as much time to feel sorry for myself.
 

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Good morning Pops and Brrrrrrrrr, a tad chilly this morning. Ya know, I complained a lot about the heat this summer and this is what I get in return. But hey, I wasn't the only one, couldn't throw a rock and not hit a complainer.....and that gave them something extra to complain about. Just can't please some folks.

Got a tough one coming tonight. My best bud in PA just lost his wife to that monster and we're going to have our monthly phone call tonight. When I first moved to PA and had only been on the job a week, my marketing director told me there is someone I must meet. She said I was the only one she'd met that had his sense of humor but he was a bit of a recluse. He owned a very successful ad agency and was a client so it made sense. So, I invited him to lunch. That lunch lasted 3 hours and that Saturday night we went out to dinner with our wives and they hit it off as well. But not like Mike and myself.

When two absurdists cross paths, it is best for innocent bystanders to find something else to talk about because they're going to get lost, as if they would even want to keep up. If you've ever gone through that exercise on how you reached a topic with someone, the path it took, with it's many turns, you will know the mind of an absurdist because we do that on a daily basis and having an attention disorder only serves to make that a more interesting mental journey. It is usually a defense mechanism learned early in life. Think about that so I don't have to think about this.....self digression.

We've been having our monthly call for many years and our wives never had to ask who we were talking to because of the laughter. It was an injection of energy for me and had a residual effect. And now I must do what he tried to do when this happened to me, make sense of this. I am torn between trying to make him laugh or just crying with him. This is the first time I've not looked forward to it because this is not one of those friends you just have to be a good listener and let them talk it out. He is expecting something from me.

When I got the call that she had passed, after the cruelest part of life getting the good news that she had beaten it, the scabs got ripped off, the pain came in waves and it was like I was going through it all again. The worst part is those visual images of how my wife looked at the end starting flying at me and I fell apart. I had worked so hard to bury those images with others and thought they were buried forever.

Now, I have to be what I am not, strong for my friend because he feels because I've felt the same kind of pain of losing the love of my life and best friend I can help him. It will be 8 years for me soon and I have not moved forward, I am still treading water and the phrase "time heals all wounds" is the best lie I know. Doesn't help that we're approaching what used to be my favorite time of the year that I now dread every year and now he must do that and that's a special kind of pain. Everywhere you look, there is someone missing.

Sorry for the length of this but from what I know about Pops, he wouldn't mind. Say a prayer or keep a good thought for me that I can be what my friend needs tonight, that I can be strong for him, the shoulder he needs as he's already warned me about. All of my fiends know me as "the funny guy" finding humor in anything, often too many things, but I am not sure I can be that tonight. And I need to be because I know laughter hastens healing. I didn't laugh for weeks after and remember the first time I did, it was as if this dark cloud parted and gave me just a quick glance at some sunshine. Just enough to let me know it was there, if I wanted some more. I have to help him do that tonight and just don't know if I am up to it.

And since I am on that subject with some new friends on this site, that's why I come here. That's why I returned to the old forum after I lost her. That's why she made me come back after losing my Dad. I use this site as therapy just as I used the old one. I am blessed with the ability to make myself laugh but it works best with the written word. I don't just like coming here, I have to come here. A little bit of insanity helps me keep mine. And there's a generous helping of warped minds here to prime the old pump.

Anyway, thanks for reading this, I needed to express myself and not many come here to this thread so this did seem to be the best place to do this. From what I know of Pops, he would want his thread to be one where we speak not just what's on our mind but what's in our hearts. And, my friends, mine is heavy today.
Man, Couch. I'm really sorry that you and your friend are having to go through that. Condolences to you both.
 

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Thanks, Runny. He still has his ad agency but I don't know how much longer because his wife was his business partner too. And his two daughters still live in PA.

What I do think will happen is that monthly 3 hour conversation will became much more frequent and less in duration. He is going to be lost for a while. I held onto our house in Dallas for almost two years after because I was incapable of making decisions even though that would have been the smart thing to do, both emotionally and financially. There are periods of time I cannot account for during that time yet heartbreaking ones that I can recall too vividly.

But, out of that came a story of caring and compassion unlike I have ever experienced. I had just picked up my wife's urn at the funeral home and was driving to my house in Dallas. I stopped at a light and looked over and it was as if the realization of everything came crashing down and I lost it and I tell you, it was a good thing I didn't have my gun with me.

I heard a horn honking and looked over and a lady was motioning for me to pull over. I moved forward and pulled over and she pulled over right behind me. She came to the passenger side, opened the door, looked down and evidently knew what she was looking at and asked me to move it so she could get in. I was in shock and just complied and was holding the urn on the center console and she reached over and put her hand on it and asked "who was this"? Between the sobs, I told her it was my wife and she took my hand and said "please tell me about her". Later, I would notice she didn't say "how did she die"?

Runny, we sat there for 30 minutes, but it seemed like hours, but I wasn't telling this stranger about her sickness, the valiant fight she fought, I was telling her how beautiful she was inside and out. Fact is, she would have done for someone else what this kind lady was doing for me. The irony of that was the lady, this angel that arrived out of nowhere, was an oncology nurse at the hospital where we went but she actually worked in Baylor's Oncology Unit, not Texas Oncology.

Runny, to be completely honest, I do not know what would have happened when I got home. I would have done anything to make the pain go away but this kind lady had me talk about what my wife had been like alive and in doing so had changed where my mind was and headed. I've thought about that a lot and do not think she was there, at that time, just by coincidence or that she took the time to do what she did but being in the profession she's in, that better come naturally.

She gave me some advice, that I will also give Mike, that I wish I had taken because it was available to me, grief counseling. By not doing so, my grief has been extended and I did not take into consideration the effect of losing my Dad just 16 months earlier. I was in trouble and didn't realize it. I was going through all the motions of living but not really alive.

And now I believe I know my task. Do for Mike what she did for me, get him talking about her life, recall some of the funniest moments we all shared. Try to divert him to some sunshine. I know the one thing that helped me the most was when my morning man in OK lost his Dad and he was reluctant to talk about it with that being so close after me losing my wife I forced him to talk about it, just the two of us, and by doing so that was cathartic for my own healing. I didn't have as much time to feel sorry for myself.
Like I said, I think you'll know the best things to say, and the best things NOT to say. It's sad that you have experience that will help, but maybe he needs your experience.
 

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Afternoon Pops, friends and our dear Grand Poobah. What an awful thing you and Mike have in common now. I believe the angel that pulled you over in traffic showed you how to handle the conversation tonight. He needs you as much as you needed her. You two are far better acquainted than she was with you, but it's good groundwork. You've accumulated a great deal of wisdom to stick on your humanity. Sometimes laughter comes in the pain and sometimes it doesn't. Accept what comes and walk through it as his friend. He is lucky to have you. Say a prayer for your friend and yourself. Don't worry, you haven't surprised God yet by your antics. He'd just like to hear from his favorite Coach.

Footprints In The Sand

One night a man had a dream.

He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord.
Across the sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand:
one belonging to him, and the other to the Lord.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him,
he looked back at the footprints in the sand.
He noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints.

He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life.
This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it.

"Lord, You said that once I decided to follow you,
You'd walk with me all the way.
But I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life,
there is only one set of footprints.

I don't understand why, when I needed you most, you would leave me."

The Lord replied,
"My son, My precious child, I love you and I would
never leave you. During your times of trial and
suffering, when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I Carried You."
 

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Afternoon Pops, friends and our dear Grand Poobah. What an awful thing you and Mike have in common now. I believe the angel that pulled you over in traffic showed you how to handle the conversation tonight. He needs you as much as you needed her. You two are far better acquainted than she was with you, but it's good groundwork. You've accumulated a great deal of wisdom to stick on your humanity. Sometimes laughter comes in the pain and sometimes it doesn't. Accept what comes and walk through it as his friend. He is lucky to have you. Say a prayer for your friend and yourself. Don't worry, you haven't surprised God yet by your antics. He'd just like to hear from his favorite Coach.

Footprints In The Sand

One night a man had a dream.

He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord.
Across the sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand:
one belonging to him, and the other to the Lord.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him,
he looked back at the footprints in the sand.
He noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints.

He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life.
This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it.

"Lord, You said that once I decided to follow you,
You'd walk with me all the way.
But I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life,
there is only one set of footprints.

I don't understand why, when I needed you most, you would leave me."

The Lord replied,
"My son, My precious child, I love you and I would
never leave you. During your times of trial and
suffering, when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I Carried You."
Thank you, my dear, the only thing I know for sure is there will be copious amounts of bourbon consumed on both ends. I tried bourbon again after his selling me on the attributes. I mean, the man is in advertising and has written many an award winning ad. And he had a more than enthusiastic audience.

Mike is a year younger than I am and had a serious heart attack 3 years ago while undergoing an EKG in the doctor's office. Fortunately, the office adjoined the hospital or he might not be here today. He's not given to flights of fancy but he did have an out of body experience and his doc told him he repeated everything they said while he was totally out. He told them he was suspended above them as they worked on him and just watched and listened, no emotion at all in watching people trying to save his life after they lost him once. He has felt he's been living on bonus time ever since and I just hope this stress doesn't do any damage.
 

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The bourbon will probably alleviate some stress tonight along with talking to his dear friend. It's a precarious situation. Guard your heart and try to avoid having your wounds reopened. If they are, come back so we can be here for you. If they aren't, come back anyway because the forum would go crazy without you.
 

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Morning, Pops and everyone. Well, it had warmed up to the low 40s by our 1:20 tee time so we went ahead and played. It felt warmer than that as long as we were in the sun, so it wasn't bad. Played better than the last couple of weeks. Hope Y'all have a great day today.

Good to see you drop in again, @strollinruss
 

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Morning Pops and persons of interest! I don't what you did to get the interest of the authorities, but don't get me involved!

Thursday's here already, and Friday's late, as we've got snow coming tonight. It's supposed to change over to rain tonight, but the reports of exactly when are conflicting, depending on which station you listen to. Hopefully it turns to rain early enough so as to not affect my drive to NYC in the morning!

Have a wonderful pre-Friday!
 

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Morning Pops. Morning Fellas and good morning to any who might decide to stop in and say hello today.

Boy Coach, that's tough. I feel for you Brother. You know what, sometimes you get something put in front of you and there just are no good choices. Sometimes the best thing you can do is own it and just say that you are sorry because that's just the truth of it. Those are usually Whisky nights for me and I never look back on them with any kind of sense of fondness. They are what they are and that sucks but it's part of life unfortunately. I'm sorry Brother.

Jobs, Leon, dbrp, Xelda, zrin, Trouty, ksk, RGV, Coach, RWB, Ranching, SW and John, all of you please have a great day.

Everybody, hump day and then on the downward slope.
 

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Morning Pops. Morning Fellas and good morning to any who might decide to stop in and say hello today.

Boy Coach, that's tough. I feel for you Brother. You know what, sometimes you get something put in front of you and there just are no good choices. Sometimes the best thing you can do is own it and just say that you are sorry because that's just the truth of it. Those are usually Whisky nights for me and I never look back on them with any kind of sense of fondness. They are what they are and that sucks but it's part of life unfortunately. I'm sorry Brother.

Jobs, Leon, dbrp, Xelda, zrin, Trouty, ksk, RGV, Coach, RWB, Ranching, SW and John, all of you please have a great day.

Everybody, hump day and then on the downward slope.
Thank you, ABQ. The one good thing about this is that my friend knows I've not moved past it very well so he's not expecting magic as some would be thinking that going through things like this makes us more adept at it. Got to have some great advice. When in fact, my best advice is don't do it the way I did it. He also knows I lost my Dad, wife and Mom all within 7.5 years so I am not the typical loss victim.

The toughest part is what he doesn't know yet. Not every marriage has the two best friends as partners and the truth is I miss my best friend as much if not more than my wife. And his was also his business partner. No escape and no place to hide.

I am glad this got postponed because I had more time to think about it. I love him like a brother and want to ease his pain but am I serving as his brother my not being up front about it? This is not a pain that subsides, it will only grow during the holidays and that first year is a real heartbreaker. People that gave me that "time heals all wounds" and "it gets better" while well intentioned were only getting themselves off the uncomfortable hook because they couldn't fix me.

Yet, I know men that lost their wives and were dating in 6 months and a couple remarried within a couple of years so everyone is different and there are people that cannot stand to be alone. Alone and lonely are not necessarily the same. But I think my friend was a one woman man just like me.

Thank you, appreciate the kind words. But then, that's what this thread is all about.
 
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