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MWILL;2543599 said:
Jerry said he's not changing the Head Coach. I didn't hear him say anything about the Offensive Coordinator. Maybe Mike S. can be an coordinator for Dallas and if Wade screws up next season, Shananhan can take over.

If repost my bad
He said that before Shanahan got fired.
 

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MWILL;2543599 said:
Jerry said he's not changing the Head Coach. I didn't hear him say anything about the Offensive Coordinator. Maybe Mike S. can be an coordinator for Dallas and if Wade screws up next season, Shananhan can take over.

If repost my bad

One of the longest tenured head coaches in the NFL isn't going to take a demotion to OC.
 

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CaptainAmerica;2543568 said:
Honestly have you guys followed Shanny's career the past 10 years?

The guy has had total control of a Broncos team that's been one of the worst and softest defensive teams in the league. They have changed D coordinators, taken on the entire Browns defensive line, and almost every other reject including Ekuban and they can't stop anyone. The Broncos have been terrible since Elway and TD left town.

His personnel moves have been some of the worst in the league. I know he's a big name but the luster left that guy 10 years ago.
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Plus, the whole zone blocking scheme and awful defense... It's just a bad fit for what we have.
 

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bootsy;2543605 said:
He said that before Shanahan got fired.

It's not as if Jerry has never said one thing and done another before. The key to all this is whether Jerry was being entirely candid on the continuity talk, or if he was just trying to sell us on what appeared to be the inevitability of Wade returning.

And by that I mean: If Jerry truly is in love with the Wade/Garrett staff, no matter our pleas otherwise, then Shanahan's firing doesn't mean a hill of beans. He'll have heard the news, think to himself that some team will get a decent new coach out of him, and move on with his day.

But if Jerry wasn't as sold on Wade/Garrett as he's indicated, but was merely trying to sell them to us because of what he perceived to be a lack of better candidates available, then Shanahan's availability could be a game changer. Perhaps Jerry surveyed the market and knew Cowher wouldn't be interested here, knew Holmgren isn't coming back, didn't want a first-time coach popping his cherry on this team and obviously (and rightfully) didn't want to go the Mangini/Crennel route ... and thus decided going status quo was the best answer.

My guess is that Jerry is sold on the Wade/Garrrett staff, largely because of what fans have already said that Garrett is his boy. I'm not in favor of it, but that seems to be where the smart money belongs right now. We'll probably get an answer to this sometime early in the morning Wednesday.
 

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i said i wouldnt discuss a coaching change possibility anymore because i didnt see Wade going anywhere but i never thought that Shanahan would get fired! With his ties to Jerry and because of his style of coaching i think he would be a great fit here! Shanahan has never been a good GM which is why he hasnt been successful lately but as a head coach i have always been very impressed with his ability to get the most out of his players even when they are just average. Here we already have the talent although i question a lot of their toughness but Shanahan is a coach that demands respect and will have this team in order n ready to go! Imagine Shanahan working with Barber, Jones, and Choice... DAMN!!!! lol! Please let this happen!!!!!!!!!
 

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RainMan;2543594 said:
No offense, but I'm not sure I'm buying your idea that Shanahan as a head coach is unlikely but Shanahan as an offensive coordinator here is.

With all the head coach openings, I find it hard to believe that: a) some team won't hire him as a HC; and b) that if he weren't hired, he'd choose an OC job over sitting out a season or two.

Just my thoughts, wrong or not.

No problem RainMan. There may be other HC positions available, but just because they're available doesn't necessarily mean that they are attractive, right?

Look at it from this angle - Wade has at least one more year here. If the Cowboys pull another 2007-type year in 09, but fail to win yet another playoff game, then Wade is out and Shanahan could possibly be promoted to HC. Even if Dallas wins the SB in '09, more than likely Wade would retire, and again Shanahan would possibly be the hands down choice for his successor. With the core talent we have on this team, I think Shanahan is drooling at the possiblities of coaching with this team. Don't forget he REALLY wanted Romo AND Owens, and he would have both of them here. Shanahan is really good with QB's, and I could only hope that he could help Romo with some of his inconsistencies.

If we could get strong coordinators at both the OC and DC positions to flank Wade on both sides, then I think we could work out some of the kinks. I have NEVER liked Brian Stewart as DC. No disrespect to him as a person, I just don't think he possesses the skills or personality to lead this defense. That's why I'd love to get someone like Dom Capers to run our defense. If Garrett leaves to become a HC elsewhere, Dom Capers will be linked to him some time soon.
 

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dadymat;2543598 said:
if Wade stays why would we need Dom?

GROS - Get Rid of Stewart! I would like to think that Wade and Dom share similarities in their respective 3-4 styles, one of which is an agressive, attacking style of defense. Plus, Wade needs to have a strong personality other than himself on that side of the ball, but someone who shares his philosophy nonetheless. Stewart shares his philosophy, but just doesn't have the personality nor the skills to get it done.
 

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mperfection;2543619 said:
No problem RainMan. There may be other HC positions available, but just because they're available doesn't necessarily mean that they are attractive, right?

Look at it from this angle - Wade has at least one more year here. If the Cowboys pull another 2007-type year in 09, but fail to win yet another playoff game, then Wade is out and Shanahan could possibly be promoted to HC. Even if Dallas wins the SB in '09, more than likely Wade would retire, and again Shanahan would possibly be the hands down choice for his successor. With the core talent we have on this team, I think Shanahan is drooling at the possiblities of coaching with this team. Don't forget he REALLY wanted Romo AND Owens, and he would have both of them here. Shanahan is really good with QB's, and I could only hope that he could help Romo with some of his inconsistencies.

If we could get strong coordinators at both the OC and DC positions to flank Wade on both sides, then I think we could work out some of the kinks. I have NEVER liked Brian Stewart as DC. No disrespect to him as a person, I just don't think he possesses the skills or personality to lead this defense. That's why I'd love to get someone like Dom Capers to run our defense. If Garrett leaves to become a HC elsewhere, Dom Capers will be linked to him some time soon.

i guess you are right. but some of us just cant take another entire year of wade phillips. its like we know another crappy year is coming. and we' just wanna digg ourselselves out of this fraken hole ASAP
 

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I would really hate you guys, if you steal Shan from my Lions. I would have no choice but to rub in y'all gave us 3 picks for Roy "When I wanna play" Williams:lmao2:
 

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I think with Shanahan as OC, we could live with Wade for another season.

Wade's defense was pretty good once he took over the playcalling, except for those 2 breakdown runs by the Ravens.

Overall, still pretty good. If Wade would turn the offense over to Shanahan and just run the D, I think we could actually make a run next year.

I little glimmer of hope has just filled me!!!!!!
 

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P.Smith;2543644 said:
I would really hate you guys, if you steal Shan from my Lions. I would have no choice but to rub in y'all gave us 3 picks for Roy "When I wanna play" Williams:lmao2:
We want a refund, now!!!!!!

:mad:
 

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My only hope is that if we sign Shanahan that our fans don't freak out we go 6-10 our first season. We don't have offensive lineman to play in the zone blocking scheme. Shanahan is worth it but I hope our fans will give him the time to implement his system
 

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CaptainAmerica;2543568 said:
Honestly have you guys followed Shanny's career the past 10 years?

The guy has had total control of a Broncos team that's been one of the worst and softest defensive teams in the league. They have changed D coordinators, taken on the entire Browns defensive line, and almost every other reject including Ekuban and they can't stop anyone. The Broncos have been terrible since Elway and TD left town.

His personnel moves have been some of the worst in the league. I know he's a big name but the luster left that guy 10 years ago.
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Honestly, have you watched his career? Shanahan's problem is that he couldn't find a replacement for John Elway and that wasn't his fault. The Broncos always finished too high to be able to draft a legitimate QB. Shanahan had success with some pretty mediocre QB's since Elway including Brian Griese and Jake "the Fake" Plummer. He did the best he could with what he had and many of those Broncos teams post-Superbowl were close but were a QB away from winning it all. They even came close with Jake Plummer and Plummer choked. Shanahan finally traded up and got a franchise gem of a QB in Jake Cutler and he gets fired and doesn't get the chance to really use him. No, Shanahan hasn't been a good GM but the Broncose were pretty consistent since he has been there...much moreso than our organization to say the least. I would love that type of consistency.
 

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Shanahan is a proven coach. OTOH, our oline would have to be completely reworked to match his style. Kosier is about the only one that fits his mold.

Also, Shanahan without a DC is pretty worthless as well as he does nothing on that side of the ball.

I overall am not too keen on the move unless people are willing to give him a couple of years to retool that oline and get a top notch DC.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2543683 said:
Shanahan is a proven coach. OTOH, our oline would have to be completely reworked to match his style. Kosier is about the only one that fits his mold.

Also, Shanahan without a DC is pretty worthless as well as he does nothing on that side of the ball.

I overall am not too keen on the move unless people are willing to give him a couple of years to retool that oline and get a top notch DC.

Both good points. And we have a ton of money tied up in the offensive line, namely in all the guys not named Kosier. Definitely a barrier worth considering.
 

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He's a great coach. He's not the offensive mastermind of Landry and he can't even hold a candle to Wade defensively much less Landry.

But he could get this offense going. I don't think he'd come for less than HC although the promise of being HC in waiting for a year might help. I'd think Wade would go to being in total control of the defense.

He could get control of Romo. And put the quietus on some of this public squabbling. And I don't see Jerry bullying him. My problem is putting him and Jerry in the same sandbox to play. Who heads up the draft and player acquistions? I'd say Ski with cooperate input.

We have athletic OL here. Actually Proctor would be a good player for Shanahan. McQuistan too. I don't know if Jerry would, could or should take a backseat to him.

Interesting. Likely not a fit. Bring Bill back. There are other coaches in this league who deserve a chance.
 

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I want Shanahan as the Head Coach and Wade as the Defensive Coordinator. Let Shanahan hire who he wants as Offensive Coordinator as Garrett is probably leaving anyway.

I actually think Wade would do it. Jerry could tell him there will be no pay cut and that Wade can just do what he does best - DEFENSE. Wade is probably overwhelmed and would welcome the demotion.

The fact Wade used to be the DC for Shanahan years ago and that Mike is a friend of Jerry's is just too poetic. He's just the offensive genius we need.

:pray::pray::pray:
 

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P.Smith;2543644 said:
I would really hate you guys, if you steal Shan from my Lions. I would have no choice but to rub in y'all gave us 3 picks for Roy "When I wanna play" Williams:lmao2:


No you didnt come out in public and admit that this week!!!!!
 

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mr.jameswoods;2543672 said:
My only hope is that if we sign Shanahan that our fans don't freak out we go 6-10 our first season. We don't have offensive lineman to play in the zone blocking scheme. Shanahan is worth it but I hope our fans will give him the time to implement his system


2 losses and the Zone will meltdown.....................:lmao:
 
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