Mort: Don't count out Shanahan to Cowboys

[mr.jameswoods]

He's a great coach. He's not the offensive mastermind of Landry and he can't even hold a candle to Wade defensively much less Landry.

But he could get this offense going. I don't think he'd come for less than HC although the promise of being HC in waiting for a year might help. I'd think Wade would go to being in total control of the defense.

He could get control of Romo. And put the quietus on some of this public squabbling. And I don't see Jerry bullying him. My problem is putting him and Jerry in the same sandbox to play. Who heads up the draft and player acquistions? I'd say Ski with cooperate input.

We have athletic OL here. Actually Proctor would be a good player for Shanahan. McQuistan too. I don't know if Jerry would, could or should take a backseat to him.

Interesting. Likely not a fit. Bring Bill back. There are other coaches in this league who deserve a chance.

Give me a beak, Shanahan won 3 Superbowls. Yes, 3 superbowls. Without Shanahan, the 49ers don't with their 5th. Ask any niner fan around back then and they will all tell you that they wish they had fired Seifert and promoted Shanahan. He is much more of an offensive genius than Wade is as defensive mind BY FAR! He basically took the west coast offense and added the zone blocking scheme and the shotgun. Yes, he is an offensive coordinator but wade is a defensive coordinator.

Winning cures all, and losing destroys all. If we win, Jerry and he will be best friends. if we lose, they will point fingers and he will leave. I'm fine with that. i would rather bet my money on shanahan than wade phillips any day.

 

[dadymat]

GROS - Get Rid of Stewart! I would like to think that Wade and Dom share similarities in their respective 3-4 styles, one of which is an agressive, attacking style of defense. Plus, Wade needs to have a strong personality other than himself on that side of the ball, but someone who shares his philosophy nonetheless. Stewart shares his philosophy, but just doesn't have the personality nor the skills to get it done.

I was refering to what you said about MS, Wade, and dom being here?

Ms------ Head coach (only way it would ever happen)
Wade ---DC
Dom-----?

 

[tunahelper]

If we do bring Shanahan on Dom Capers is just a secondary coach for NE.

 

[Air Force One]

Give me a beak, Shanahan won 3 Superbowls. Yes, 3 superbowls. Without Shanahan, the 49ers don't with their 5th. Ask any niner fan around back then and they will all tell you that they wish they had fired Seifert and promoted Shanahan. He is much more of an offensive genius than Wade is as defensive mind BY FAR! He basically took the west coast offense and added the zone blocking scheme and the shotgun. Yes, he is an offensive coordinator but wade is a defensive coordinator.

Winning cures all, and losing destroys all. If we win, Jerry and he will be best friends. if we lose, they will point fingers and he will leave. I'm fine with that. i would rather bet my money on shanahan than wade phillips any day.

What are the odds that the Cowboys could ever manage to get a coach who has won BACK TO BACK Super Bowls???

Jerry has to see this as meant to be.

 

[Rush 2112]

Both Romo and Shanahan went to Eastern Illinois.

Defense has been bad last 2 years.

But top 10 7 times since he's been there.

 

[Cowboys2008]

This would be good on a couple of stand points; He's intrigued by Romo and his running game has always been something else.. and something else without any big heads running the ball either half the time. Give him our 3-headed monster at RB and we could be looking at something beautiful in the making next season.

Then also you can't forget the TO angle either.

 

[Apollo Creed]

The Zone can fuel this fire. Start the coals, wait for some DMN or PFT hack to check the site - write up a blog entry. Word gets spread around the ranch, people start buzzing.

Jerry has gone against his word before.

 

[30yrheel]

fingers and toes crossed.....hey, we can dream.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The interesting thing about this, and I'm sad to believe that there is likely zero shot that he comes to Dallas, was in listening to other coaches, and more importantly players, talk about his coaching style. Mike's I'm talking about here.


Davis was saying yesterday that Mike was the kind of guy who would get on you, and push you, when you needed it and also knew how to back off at just the right time when it was needed.

For the last couple of weeks I've heard radio guys, and I think I've seen it mentioned here multiple times, about how what Dallas needs is that guy whose inbetween a BP and a Wade.

Sounds to me like Mike is that guy. Knows how to be a BP, when it's needed, and knows how to be a Wade when it's needed.

*Shrugs* I don't know if that's the answer, or if that's even true, or how much of that even works, but I do know that I do like Shannahan and I wouldn't be opposed to him being here.

That said I have little belief there is any shot of that happening.

 

[newlander]

Yeah, 30yrheel, I'm afraid at this point that's all it is: a dream. I'll believe it when I see it quite frankly. It'd be GREAT, but..........I don't think the old man will pull that trigger. Correct me if I'm wrong......and I very well could be....but isn't he paying Wade 3mil per (joke) and Red 3 mil per (bigger joke) for a total of 6 mil? Geez, I guess if they'd both take a 1 mil pay cut and then pay Shanny 3 mil: if he'd take it, I could see it working, but let's face it: that's a stretch. Another way it could work is if Red left, and JJ felt like he had no choice. I think you guys are getting excited over nothing......but I really hope I'm wrong needless to say...........

 

[thisisepic]

If this miraculously happens it gives a lot of us hope and enthusiasm heading into next season.

If not we all head into the season with a feeling of disgust and knowing at anytime we can have a huge meltdown.

 

[brickman]

The interesting thing about this, and I'm sad to believe that there is likely zero shot that he comes to Dallas, was in listening to other coaches, and more importantly players, talk about his coaching style. Mike's I'm talking about here.


Davis was saying yesterday that Mike was the kind of guy who would get on you, and push you, when you needed it and also knew how to back off at just the right time when it was needed.

For the last couple of weeks I've heard radio guys, and I think I've seen it mentioned here multiple times, about how what Dallas needs is that guy whose inbetween a BP and a Wade.

Sounds to me like Mike is that guy. Knows how to be a BP, when it's needed, and knows how to be a Wade when it's needed.

*Shrugs* I don't know if that's the answer, or if that's even true, or how much of that even works, but I do know that I do like Shannahan and I wouldn't be opposed to him being here.

That said I have little belief there is any shot of that happening.

BraveHeartFan,

I agree with you 110%. In my mind, I know Shanny would be a great move. Unfortunately, in my heart of hearts, I don't see it happening. Stranger things have happened and I would like nothing better than to be pleasantly shocked. I'll keep praying.

 

[brickman]

If this miraculously happens it gives a lot of us hope and enthusiasm heading into next season.

If not we all head into the season with a feeling of disgust and knowing at anytime we can have a huge meltdown.

it should read ......at anytime we will have a huge meltdown

 

[Bach]

Well Shanny does have the collapse in December part down pat. So I guess he'd fit right in.

 

[Vertigo_17]

I think with Shanahan as OC, we could live with Wade for another season.

Wade's defense was pretty good once he took over the playcalling, except for those 2 breakdown runs by the Ravens.

Overall, still pretty good. If Wade would turn the offense over to Shanahan and just run the D, I think we could actually make a run next year.

I little glimmer of hope has just filled me!!!!!!

count me in to, if we can "lose Garrett" and replace him with Shanahan at OC we would be doing pretty well.

Now if we could just upgrade/replace Stewart and Read

 

[dbair1967]

Give me a beak, Shanahan won 3 Superbowls. Yes, 3 superbowls. Without Shanahan, the 49ers don't with their 5th. Ask any niner fan around back then and they will all tell you that they wish they had fired Seifert and promoted Shanahan.

Shanahan was also their offensive coordinator in 92 & 93...how'd that work out for the Niners then?

He is much more of an offensive genius than Wade is as defensive mind BY FAR! He basically took the west coast offense and added the zone blocking scheme and the shotgun. Yes, he is an offensive coordinator but wade is a defensive coordinator.

He certainly looked like an offensive genius in SF and for a few yrs with John Elway...after that the results are kinda so-so, although some of that could be contributed to who he's had at QB.

Winning cures all, and losing destroys all. If we win, Jerry and he will be best friends. if we lose, they will point fingers and he will leave. I'm fine with that. i would rather bet my money on shanahan than wade phillips any day

I'd rather see us get Shanahan than someone like Cowher, but my strong preference would be to go find a real long term solution. Go find the next Jimmy Johnson instead of hoping a retread can get the job done. Shanahan's already won two super bowls. Cowher got a super bowl (one he didnt deserve). To me you have to worry about them just taking the job for the money, we already saw that with Parcells.

 

[alancdc]

He is certainly a better coach than GM. Their defense has been pathetic for years.

 

[wileedog]

I overall am not too keen on the move unless people are willing to give him a couple of years to retool that oline and get a top notch DC.

After the way they played this season I'm not against a total overahaul at all.

Problem is Flo and Columbo just go paid new deals, and Davis is pretty early in his monster deal. None of them can be moved for a while, and none of them could play in Shanahan's system.

If they could work the finances I'm fine with a couple of years in a transition period though. We haven't had a truly good offensive line since the glory years, and I have no confidence this current group is going to change that. Plus I don't think our offense suits our other personnel very well either.

Its much easier to be patient when you are seeing progress towards a specific goal then watching a Wade let things fall apart.

Agreed also we would need a solid DC. Maybe take the time to go back to a 4-3 as long as we are transitioning.

 

[Rush 2112]

Shanahan was also their offensive coordinator in 92 & 93...how'd that work out for the Niners then?



He certainly looked like an offensive genius in SF and for a few yrs with John Elway...after that the results are kinda so-so, although some of that could be contributed to who he's had at QB.



I'd rather see us get Shanahan than someone like Cowher, but my strong preference would be to go find a real long term solution. Go find the next Jimmy Johnson instead of hoping a retread can get the job done. Shanahan's already won two super bowls. Cowher got a super bowl (one he didnt deserve). To me you have to worry about them just taking the job for the money, we already saw that with Parcells.[/QUOTE]

92/93 SF was first in points and yards both years.

Good point.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You guys are forgetting that whoever is our HC is almost always a co-personnel guy with Jerry.

Wade himself acknowledged, (without any hesition), in his last PC that he has a lot of say in personnel moves. It's always been that way with Jerry. even Chan Gaily had such power. Jerry leans heavily on the HC for such decisions.

I wouldn't want Shanny within 500 miles of Valley ranch to make any personnel moves about our team. He's one of the worst personnel guys in the NFL.