Most overrated Present NFL Head Coach...

[RiggoForever]

Yeah, right! Two of Joey Gibbs SuperBowl trophys are so rusty, they should just throw those two strike season trophys away! You should be embarassed to even mention those two fake Lombardi's! Those are loser trophys, and your puffing out your little chest like they actually mean something? :laugh2:

:dissskin:

Actually the 1987 championship year included a victory over the Dallas Cowboy starters while we still had scrub players If anything it shows Gibbs ability to keep a team together through adverse circumstances.

Plus, its not like strike players were playing the majority of the season, or in the playoffs for that matter.

 

[MossBurner]

Yeah, right! Two of Joey Gibbs SuperBowl trophys are so rusty, they should just throw those two strike season trophys away! You should be embarassed to even mention those two fake Lombardi's! Those are loser trophys, and your puffing out your little chest like they actually mean something? :laugh2:

:dissskin:

Only the best team wins each year, strike or not. Are you so ignorant to imply that the rest of the league did not try to win those games, too?

 

[superpunk]

Joe Gibbs is a one of the Top 5 HC's in NFL history. He's not a lightening in a bottle coach who has built his entire career on one team (Jimmy Johnson and Belichick) The guy has won with multiple Superbowls with multiple generations of players. He's proven his system works.

Yeah, his system worked 15 years ago. Now, Greg Williams and Al Saunders' systems have to work.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I don't think there's anything wrong with being a CEO head coach who delegates and oversees. That's essentially what Jimmy Johnson was.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yeah, right! Two of Joey Gibbs SuperBowl trophys are so rusty, they should just throw those two strike season trophys away! You should be embarassed to even mention those two fake Lombardi's! Those are loser trophys, and your puffing out your little chest like they actually mean something? :laugh2:

:dissskin:

Yeah because I am sure the Cowboys would discount the Superbowl 17 win had they not gotten beat handily in RFK in 1982 and gone on to beat the Dolphins

Or I am sure Cowboy fans would NEVER mention having scabs beat regulars on Monday Night Football during the strike of 1987

 

[superpunk]

I don't think there's anything wrong with being a CEO head coach who delegates and oversees. That's essentially what Jimmy Johnson was.

Maybe not. But I've never understood all the worship of Jimmuh that goes on either. Norv was just as instrumental. That's why, IMO, Gibbs as a head coach is overrated. Seems to me, most of the "coaching" is being handled by others. I'm not talking about years ago, I'm talking right now - which is why Parcells is overrated right now, too.

If either of them win something, then they will earn all the misplaced praise they're getting now.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

So in order to be a great coach you cannot have coordinators? Essentially that is what you are saying here

Maybe not. But I've never understood all the worship of Jimmuh that goes on either. Norv was just as instrumental. That's why, IMO, Gibbs as a head coach is overrated. Seems to me, most of the "coaching" is being handled by others. I'm not talking about years ago, I'm talking right now - which is why Parcells is overrated right now, too.

If either of them win something, then they will earn all the misplaced praise they're getting now.

 

[5Stars]

Only the best team wins each year, strike or not. Are you so ignorant to imply that the rest of the league did not try to win those games, too?

Hey, if you and Riggo are proud of them, good for you! :laugh2:

As for me, I respect the 5 (five) untarnished SuperBowl trophys that the Dallas Cowboys won by playing teams at their full strength each game...not limping through the season playing a handfull of burger flippers!

Now, go polish off the rust on them two strike season trophys...that is, if little Art from ES will let you get close enough! :laugh1:

:dissskin: ... nice dog!

 

[superpunk]

So in order to be a great coach you cannot have coordinators? Essentially that is what you are saying here

No. That's what you're saying. But nice try putting words in my mouth.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

No. That's what you're saying. But nice try putting words in my mouth.

Then what are you saying here? That you cannot be a "CEO" type head coach where you manage assistants and still be great? Instead of getting so defensive, clarify your argument

 

[5Stars]

Yeah because I am sure the Cowboys would discount the Superbowl 17 win had they not gotten beat handily in RFK in 1982 and gone on to beat the Dolphins

Or I am sure Cowboy fans would NEVER mention having scabs beat regulars on Monday Night Football during the strike of 1987

You are 24 years old! Were you even alive during those games? :laugh2: Or, is this something that you learned over at ES?

:dissskin: good dog!!

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Hey, if you and Riggo are proud of them, good for you! :laugh2:

As for me, I respect the 5 (five) untarnished SuperBowl trophys that the Dallas Cowboys won by playing teams at their full strength each game...not limping through the season playing a handfull of burger flippers!

Now, go polish off the rust on them two strike season trophys...that is, if little Art from ES will let you get close enough! :laugh1:

:dissskin: ... nice dog!

It is duly noted then that if the Cowboys had beaten the Commanders in the NFC Championship game and won Superbowl 17 it would be "tarnished"

 

[superpunk]

Then what are you saying here? That you cannot be a "CEO" type head coach where you manage assistants and still be great? Instead of getting so defensive, clarify your argument

He's a great CEO. Wonderful. But in this case, Williams obviously carries the team. Gibbs needed help last year with the offense, using new complex ideas like *gasp* the Shotgun! This year he needs even more, with the unit that was supposedly his strength. Nothing away from his previous accomplishments, but right now, he's basically a figure head - kind of like the King of England. Why not just label him GM and call it a day? His prowess in the realm of "coaching" the modern game, is certainly open to question.

 

[5Stars]

It is duly noted then that if the Cowboys had beaten the Commanders in the NFC Championship game and won Superbowl 17 it would be "tarnished"

Duly note this....


:dissskin:

 

[superpunk]

Duly note this....


:dissskin:

:laugh2::laugh1::laugh2::laugh1:

OK, you scored with that one, LOL.

 

[RiggoForever]

The Skins had by far the NFCs best record in 1982 at 8-1 in the strike shortened season. The Skins still would have made the playoffs in 1987 as well without the strike games. Then we all know what happened in the playoffs those years.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

He's a great CEO. Wonderful. But in this case, Williams obviously carries the team. Gibbs needed help last year with the offense, using new complex ideas like *gasp* the Shotgun! This year he needs even more, with the unit that was supposedly his strength. Nothing away from his previous accomplishments, but right now, he's basically a figure head - kind of like the King of England. Why not just label him GM and call it a day? His prowess in the realm of "coaching" the modern game, is certainly open to question.

Certainly play calling and constructing an offense in 2005 can be. Although he took an offense ranked at the bottom of the NFL in 2004 and turned it into a quality unit, and considering the lack of options in the passing game besides Moss and Cooley, put up very respectable results

But in general then, why can't a head coach who has coordinators be a great head coach? I am not just talking about Gibbs here, I am talking about Jimmy Johnson, Parcells, Bill Belicheck (we all heard how great his coordinators were in Weiss and Crenell) etc

Why can't they still be great head coaches?

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

The Skins had by far the NFCs best record in 1982 at 8-1 in the strike shortened season. The Skins still would have made the playoffs in 1987 as well without the strike games. Then we all know what happened in the playoffs those years.

Yeah, I am done owning that guy. Fact is had Dallas defeated Washington, and gone on to win Superbowl 17 in Pasedena, you wouldn't hear a peep about a tarnished Superbowl win

 

[superpunk]

Certainly play calling and constructing an offense in 2005 can be. Although he took an offense ranked at the bottom of the NFL in 2004 and turned it into a quality unit, and considering the lack of options in the passing game besides Moss and Cooley, put up very respectable results

But in general then, why can't a head coach who has coordinators be a great head coach? I am not just talking about Gibbs here, I am talking about Jimmy Johnson, Parcells, Bill Belicheck (we all heard how great his coordinators were in Weiss and Crenell) etc

Why can't they still be great head coaches?

THEY can. THEY've won super bowls in their recent coaching stints (save Parcells, and I've already mentioned him on the overrated list). During Gibbs current tenure, he has done nothing that gives any indication that HE has anything to do with the play of the team. Williams is in control of the defense. When Gibbs was solely taking care of the offense, they were terrible. He gets some help, they get better. Now he needs even more help. Sorry, I don't see what Gibbs is doing that is so amazing. Those other coaches (except Jimmy) made their coordinators into what they are, and you can still see that influence today, as Parcells / Bellichick's coaching tree is one of the most successful in history. Gibbs doesn't have the same track record. I look at him like I look at Jimmy. Hell of a GM, and manager, but not much of an actual "coach."

 

[superpunk]

Yeah, I am done owning that guy.

Mmmmmm...self-proclaimed ownage.

You stay classy!