Most overrated Present NFL Head Coach...

[BigDFan5]

I am just wondering if Gibbs is so great and doesnt need help, then why will he be nothing more than a figurehead this year? He wont be calling defense, he wont be calling offense. and from what I hear from some skins fans is they hope to hell he isnt in charge of timeouts. What exactly will Gibbs be doing this year? just wondering

 

[MossBurner]

And that's exactly why it's irrelevant, when discussing present-day overrated head coaches.



No doubt. Fortunately, he had Greg Williams taking care of the defense, and Bill Musgrave revamping his anemic, 1990's offense.

Yeah, Williams and Musgrave are the reasons for the big turn-around in Washington. Give it up! See my previous post (2 posts ago). You're wrong and everyone knows it.

 

[superpunk]

Yeah, Williams and Musgrave are the reasons for the big turn-around in Washington. Give it up! See my previous post (2 posts ago). You're wrong and everyone knows it.

Who is everyone? You and Gamebreaker? LOL...

I saw your post. 15 years ago - Gibbs was fantastic.

Now, the only way the team improves is when he brings other coaches in - to improve it.

Maybe just being around his greatness helped those coaches. Maybe his extreme holiness rubbed off on them.

Or maybe the game passed him by, and he needs guys who understand the current style of play to fix his team for him, since that could never be admitted to publicly.

 

[5Stars]

And that's exactly why it's irrelevant, when discussing present-day overrated head coaches.



No doubt. Fortunately, he had Greg Williams taking care of the defense, and Bill Musgrave revamping his anemic, 1990's offense.

superpunk, don't you know that St. Gibby can turn water into wine? He can feed the whole D.C. area and the Hogettes with just two fish!

ANDDDDddddd, he can do all this while the RedStinks little Marching Band is playing Hymns in the background! :laugh2:

Let the poor RedStinks wallow in their current success, I mean it's been what 7 or 8 years now for those losers? And, now, the Almighty, himself, has sent the RedStinks St. Gibby to resurrect them from the dead!

Yup, good old RedStink logic....(I cannot wait till game two this season...then the RedStinks will vanish again for, oh, about another 7 or 8 years, again)! :laugh2:

Count them Stars, RedStinks! If you can count that high, that's five (5)..."untarnished" Lombardi Trophys!


woof...woof... :dissskin: ...good dog!

 

[5Stars]

What exactly will Gibbs be doing this year? just wondering

He's just there to bounce Lil Danny Boy on his knee before nap and bed time...hoping for a strike season so he can keep up his reputation, ya know?

:starspin

 

[Funxva]

Who is everyone? You and Gamebreaker? LOL...

I saw your post. 15 years ago - Gibbs was fantastic.

Now, the only way the team improves is when he brings other coaches in - to improve it.

Maybe just being around his greatness helped those coaches. Maybe his extreme holiness rubbed off on them.

Or maybe the game passed him by, and he needs guys who understand the current style of play to fix his team for him, since that could never be admitted to publicly.

The beauty of the "owningness" in this post brought tears to my eyes.

Thatta Boy SP!

 

[MossBurner]

I am just wondering if Gibbs is so great and doesnt need help, then why will he be nothing more than a figurehead this year? He wont be calling defense, he wont be calling offense. and from what I hear from some skins fans is they hope to hell he isnt in charge of timeouts. What exactly will Gibbs be doing this year? just wondering

Gibbs will be doing the same thing as 90% of head coaches.

Every team in the league has an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator that direct their respective sides of the ball. Not many head coaches call plays on every snap.

Why is Gibbs any different? Is it because he works with the best on both sides of the ball?

There seems to be quite a double standard here!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Not many head coaches call plays on every snap.

Parcells does

 

[BigDFan5]

Gibbs will be doing the same thing as 90% of head coaches.

Every team in the league has an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator. Not many coaches call plays.

Why is Gibbs any different? Is it because he works with the best on both sides of the ball?

There seems to be quite a double standard here!

90% of coaches don't call plays? So you are saying only 4 coaches in the NFL actually call plays? You don't seriously believe that do you?

There is no double standard at all, I applaud Gibbs for recognizing his shortcomings and bringing in someone who can do the job he was not able to do. Thats a good thing.

 

[superpunk]

Gibbs will be doing the same thing as 90% of head coaches.

Every team in the league has an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator that direct their respective sides of the ball. Not many head coaches call plays on every snap.

Why is Gibbs any different? Is it because he works with the best on both sides of the ball?

There seems to be quite a double standard here!

No double standard. But in most of the league, the head coach makes the assistants - they come up through the head coaches system, and gain respect.

The difference with Gibbs is, the assistant coaches seem to be carrying him, not vice-versa, as is evident by Williams total control over the defense, and bringing in first Musgrave, now Saunders to improve the offense. If Gibbs was so dynamic, wouldn't his coaching brilliance show up without the extra help? Where are the assistants coming up through the Gibbs' coaching tree?

There are none, they have to hire in.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

During Gibbs current tenure, he has done nothing that gives any indication that HE has anything to do with the play of the team.

So when the skins were sitting at 5-6, and were one game from being eliminated from playoff contention, that it didn't take any coaching to keep the players alive? There is a little something in football called team morale, and it plays a huge part in a teams success. To come out, and win five straight games to keep your season alive isan't easy. You can't come here and tell me that Gibb's didnt have any part in motivating his team. If the team spirit goes down, they wouldn't have played nearly as well. Gibbs has proven over the years that he does a great job of preparing his team mentally for games. And no matter how good/bad your team is, this is a deciding factor in football.

 

[superpunk]

So when the skins were sitting at 5-6, and were one game from being eliminated from playoff contention, that it didn't take any coaching to keep the players alive? There is a little something in football called team morale, and it plays a huge part in a teams success. To come out, and win five straight games to keep your season alive isan't easy. You can't come here and tell me that Gibb's didnt have any part in motivating his team. If the team spirit goes down, they wouldn't have played nearly as well. Gibbs has proven over the years that he does a great job of preparing his team mentally for games. And no matter how good/bad your team is, this is a deciding factor in football.

So Gibbs is more like Tony Robbins? Makes sense.

 

[Doomsday101]

No double standard. But in most of the league, the head coach makes the assistants - they come up through the head coaches system, and gain respect.

The difference with Gibbs is, the assistant coaches seem to be carrying him, not vice-versa, as is evident by Williams total control over the defense, and bringing in first Musgrave, now Saunders to improve the offense. If Gibbs was so dynamic, wouldn't his coaching brilliance show up without the extra help? Where are the assistants coming up through the Gibbs' coaching tree?

There are none, they have to hire in.

Same could be said for Jimmy Johnson. When Shula ran the offense it was cruddy then comes Norv he called the offense and Wanstead called the defense. Jimmy ran the team. That is what Gibbs does he runs the team and has done so better than the last few coaches the skins have had.

 

[MossBurner]

90% of coaches don't call plays? So you are saying only 4 coaches in the NFL actually call plays? You don't seriously believe that do you?

There is no double standard at all, I applaud Gibbs for recognizing his shortcomings and bringing in someone who can do the job he was not able to do. Thats a good thing.

I don't believe there are many head coaches that call every play, that would be naive. Why have an offensive coordinator if that's the case? I also believe that Gibbs will have a hand in play calling next season. To think that he would completely abadon that aspect of coaching would be unthinkable.

I agree with you whole-heartedly on one point. Gibbs is not too prideful to bring in an expert on offense. He realizes that he is not the best in the world at everything, unlike many head coaches. Saunders is a proven expert and is the best at what he does. Only an idiot wouldn't bring that kind of coach on board to help improve the team.

 

[BigDFan5]

So when the skins were sitting at 5-6, and were one game from being eliminated from playoff contention, that it didn't take any coaching to keep the players alive? There is a little something in football called team morale, and it plays a huge part in a teams success. To come out, and win five straight games to keep your season alive isan't easy. You can't come here and tell me that Gibb's didnt have any part in motivating his team. If the team spirit goes down, they wouldn't have played nearly as well. Gibbs has proven over the years that he does a great job of preparing his team mentally for games. And no matter how good/bad your team is, this is a deciding factor in football.

So what you are saying is his best asset is he is good at making the guys feel good?

 

[superpunk]

Same could be said for Jimmy Johnson. When Shula ran the offense it was cruddy then comes Norv he called the offense and Wanstead called the defense. Jimmy ran the team. That is what Gibbs does he runs the team and has done so better than the last few coaches the skins have had.

Already covered Jimmuh, Dooms. As a head coach - he too, was overrated. As a GM / CEO, he was great. And that's all I'm saying. Gibbs appears to be in this tenure a decent motivator / GM / CEO. But as a coach, he's leaving alot to be desired.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

So Gibbs is more like Tony Robbins? Makes sense.

Like I said before, had you played a down of football you realize being a head coach is far more then X's and O's

Which is why guys like Joe Gibbs and Jimmy Johnson can be considered outstanding coaches and not "overrated" (even though Gibbs' X's and O's are very similar to Saunders' X's and O's)

If it was all about pure football and X's and O's, Norv Turner would have won 4 or 5 Superbowls in Washington

The man knew his X's and O's but lacked the ability to communicate with and inspire his players and bring a team together as head coach

That aspect of coaching cannot be quantified, but it is a critical aspect of being the head coach

But of course, for the first time in NFL history in Washington DC, a head coach has both an offensive AND defensive coordinator

My God!

Just an aside, if it was all Musgrave in 2005 as you imply, then why did the Commanders let him go so easily to Atlanta?

 

[Doomsday101]

So what you are saying is his best asset is he is good at making the guys feel good?

What did Jimmy Johnson do? He was not calling plays. Gibbs just like Jimmy delegates and both were and are successful in running a team.

 

[BigDFan5]

I don't believe there are many head coaches that call every play, that would be naive. Why have an offensive coordinator if that's the case? I also believe that Gibbs will have a hand in play calling next season. To think that he would completely abadon that aspect of coaching would be unthinkable.

I agree with you whole-heartedly on one point. Gibbs is not too prideful to bring in an expert on offense. He realizes that he is not the best in the world at everything, unlike many head coaches. Saunders is a proven expert and is the best at what he does. Only an idiot wouldn't bring that kind of coach on board to help improve the team.

You said 90% didnt call plays that means only 4 coaches in the NFL call plays, are you backing off that statement?

You think Gibbs will have a hand in calling an offense he knows nothing about? Hasnt it already been said that Saunders has full control of the offense including playcalling?

 

[BigDFan5]

What did Jimmy Johnson do? He was not calling plays. Gibbs just like Jimmy delegates and both were and are successful in running a team.

Jimmy Drafted, Gibbs doesn't even have that Luxury.