Most overrated Present NFL Head Coach...

[Bob Sacamano]

So when the skins were sitting at 5-6, and were one game from being eliminated from playoff contention, that it didn't take any coaching to keep the players alive? There is a little something in football called team morale

there's also something called a weak 2nd half schedule before facing the Giants and Cowboys

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Only an idiot wouldn't bring that kind of coach on board to help improve the team.

so you're calling the rest of the NFL head coaches, idiots?

 

[Doomsday101]

Already covered Jimmuh, Dooms. As a head coach - he too, was overrated. As a GM / CEO, he was great. And that's all I'm saying. Gibbs appears to be in this tenure a decent motivator / GM / CEO. But as a coach, he's leaving alot to be desired.

As a GM with the Dolphins he was not that great, my goodness he drafted 5 RB in a 2 year span and still could not get a running game in Miami. Because a coach is not calling the plays does not mean they are not running the team players in Dallas knew darn well that Jimmy was the man they would have to deal with and in Washington the players understand Gibbs is the last word.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Like I said before, had you played a down of football you realize being a head coach is far more then X's and O's

:laugh2: just because it suits your weak argument

all coaching is in Xs and Os, or well that was the point before teams started giving coaches GM roles too

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

So what you are saying is his best asset is he is good at making the guys feel good?

So tell me, did we make it to the playoffs last year? That is all it is about, Winning. I don't care how he gets it done, it the winning aspect that matters.

so are you saying motivating players to perfporm better actually makes someone an "overrated" coach?

 

[MossBurner]

Jimmy Drafted, Gibbs doesn't even have that Luxury.

Yeah, the team Gibbs has assembled sucks. They couldn't even win a playoff game. Oh wait, they did!

All those proven young players. That's really a dumb way to put a team together. They didn't fill their holes or anything. Such a crapshoot to get free agents instead of rookies. There's so much risk involved.

 

[superpunk]

Like I said before, had you played a down of football you realize being a head coach is far more then X's and O's

I have. I realize that. But it is somewhat about X's and O's. ALOT. And Gibbs in his current tenure has been terribly deficient, in the XO department.

Which is why guys like Joe Gibbs and Jimmy Johnson can be considered outstanding coaches and not "overrated" (even though Gibbs' X's and O's are very similar to Saunders' X's and O's)

Just pray they're not too similar. The players didnt respond too well to Gibbs' Xs and Os last time.

But of course, for the first time in NFL history in Washington DC, a head coach has both an offensive AND defensive coordinator

No. But it might be the first time they've had to bring ones in to overhaul the team strategy because the head coach was so terribly deficient.

Just an aside, if it was all Musgrave in 2005 as you imply, then why did the Commanders let him go so easily to Atlanta?

Just a wild guess, but because Saunders was coming in...

 

[Doomsday101]

Jimmy Drafted, Gibbs doesn't even have that Luxury.

Jimmy did not draft well in Miami. He took over for Shula who was still getting the dolphins to the playoffs but no futher Jimmy did not make Miami any better and they clearly were not a good team when he left. Sorry seeing Gibbs over the years he has produced winning teams and he does not do it by luck or accident. I hate the skins as much as the next guy but I will always give credit where credit is due and Gibbs track record more than proves he knows how to run a football team.

 

[superpunk]

As a GM with the Dolphins he was not that great, my goodness he drafted 5 RB in a 2 year span and still could not get a running game in Miami. Because a coach is not calling the plays does not mean they are not running the team players in Dallas knew darn well that Jimmy was the man they would have to deal with and in Washington the players understand Gibbs is the last word.

And that really exposed his deficiencies as a head coach, did it not? Coaching w/o his coordinators?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just a wild guess, but because Saunders was coming in...

nope, to leave the Commanders means that you suck and need to have your head examined by the medical board

 

[BigDFan5]

So tell me, did we make it to the playoffs last year? That is all it is about, Winning. I don't care how he gets it done, it the winning aspect that matters.

so are you saying motivating players to perfporm better actually makes someone an "overrated" coach?

Making the playoffs is great congrats to you on that, still has no bearing on the disussion.

If his only asset is he is a good speech giver then yes he is overrated. He doesnt do the defense, and brought someone in to do the offense because he wasnt cutting it there either. That has relegated him to team figurehead and speechgiver. Yet some are claiming this man to be the messiah when he reality He is just a man who is falible and realized this and gave control of the team to assistants

 

[BigDFan5]

Yeah, the team Gibbs has assembled sucks. They couldn't even win a playoff game. Oh wait, they did!

All those proven young players. That's really a dumb way to put a team together. They didn't fill their holes or anything. Such a crapshoot to get free agents instead of rookies. There's so much risk involved.

Name a team that won a superbowl without the core of their team coming in the draft

 

[superpunk]

Name a team that won a superbowl without the core of their team coming in the draft

With a salary cap....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Gibbs track record more than proves he knows how to run a football team.

yep, his track record NOW is to assemble Head coaching candidates as his assistant coaches and let them handle the X and O's

 

[MossBurner]

so you're calling the rest of the NFL head coaches, idiots?

Idiot was used for effect. Let's say non-opportunistic.

If they had the opportunity to add Saunders to their staff and didn't...

With the exception of the already offensively strong teams, of course. They wouldn't need his help.

 

[BigDFan5]

With a salary cap....

yes with a cap

 

[Doomsday101]

And that really exposed his deficiencies as a head coach, did it not? Coaching w/o his coordinators?

There are many coaches who let their coordinators run their respective units but through out the week that HC is still involved with putting together the game plan and knows what he wants and conveys that to his assistants. Like many things in life there are more than 1 way to do something. What I look at is why coaches like Gibbs always has success and I beleive he knows how to bring it all together be in on the football field or the race track. Success is not achived by accident.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Idiot was used for effect. Let's say non-opportunistic.

If they had the opportunity to add Saunders to their staff and didn't...

I wouldn't call that non-opportunistic, I would call what the other teams did as not admitting that they need help managing on game-day, which GIbbs has basically done by relegating the O duties to Saunders and the D to Williams, and stepping back

 

[Doomsday101]

yep, his track record NOW is to assemble Head coaching candidates as his assistant coaches and let them handle the X and O's

His job was to help the skins to win games and thus far he is doing that. If some want to call that over-rated I'll take over rated every day of the week.

 

[BigDFan5]

There are many coaches who let their coordinators run their respective units but through out the week that HC is still involved with putting together the game plan and knows what he wants and conveys that to his assistants. Like many things in life there are more than 1 way to do something. What I look at is why coaches like Gibbs always has success and I beleive he knows how to bring it all together be in on the football field or the race track. Success is not achived by accident.

This is true in most cases but this is not one of those cases. Gibbs brought Williams in to run Williams' sytem not a Gibbs system, and he brought Saunders in to run Saunders system not his own. A head coach who has coordinators to run the system that they (Head coach) install is one thing. Bringing in coordinators to run that coordinators syatem tells me the coach wont be very involved since its not his system.